mea culpa - if I'd had a grid ref I'd have sent it! Clearly we need a Ryenats
outing to find it in the summer :-)

<<This begins to make more sense, it was partially the Galium etc in the
back-ground that made me think it was wild. .... I knew it wasn't S. verbenaca,
so therefore it must be S.pratensis.>> my thought processes entirely except I
wasn't 100% sure it wasn't wild clary as I've only seen that the once. I imagine
the galium is properly wild, it's certainly common up there.

--- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "dw1305" <d.watts@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> This begins to make more sense, it was partially the Galium etc in the
back-ground that made me think it was wild. I didn't know where "Skinningrove
cliffs" were and I knew it wasn't S. verbenaca, so therefore it must be S.
pratensis.
>
> Some "wildflower seed mixes" are still E. European in origin. That means any
of Salvia transsylvanica, S. nemorosa or S. dumetorum (and probably some other
ones European ones) are a possibility. I'm only familiar with S. nemorosa, but I
think they all look fairly similar.
> There is also Salvia pratensis x S. nemorosa = S. x sylvestris.
>
> Nothing about alien Salvia spp. in Watsonia?
>
> cheers Darrel
>
> --- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "Gill" <wildlife@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks all - I have my suspicions that it might be planted, or at least part
of some kind of "meadow wildflower mix". I've never seen S. pratensis, but it
really shouldn't be on the NE coast, should it? S. verbenaca=horminiodes does
grow relatively nearby at Scarborough, but that has smaller, darker flowers I
think. I'm not familiar with verticillata or nemorosa.
> > Gill
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "dw1305" <d.watts@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > Yes you are right, the flower isn't big or zygomorphic enough and the
bracts/sepals are the wrong colour for S. pratensis. Flower looks too big for S.
verticillata, but what about close to the wild form of S. nemorosa?
> > >
> > > cheers Darrel
> > >
> > > --- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "Martin" <martin.rand@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Possibly S. verticillata? - Although the flowers look a bit big for
that.
> > > >
> > > > - Martin Rand
> > > > BSBI Recorder, South Hants (vc11)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In UKBotany@yahoogroups.com, "Gill" <wildlife@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I was asked to comment on these two photos of an unknown plant found
growing "on Skinningrove cliffs" in July 2009 - no further details I'm afraid.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is clearly a labiate and to my eyes a salvia, but I can't determine
which one. Unfortunately there are no pics of the lower leaves nor an indication
of whether it had a sage-like smell. As it happens I walked along that piece of
the coast this summer and did not see anything like this - Blackstonia yes, blue
salvia no.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>