Gill Words out of my mouth! :-) With double daffs John ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Gill
ryenats
May 1, 2010 10:57 am
Of course - thanks Rodney... Going back to the Latin names issue - is there a comprehensive list of what has changed 'out there'? I guess the latest BSBI list...
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Peter Llewellyn
peterjl2007
May 1, 2010 7:16 pm
Hello Gill, I've just downloaded BSBI2007 for Excel to check and it isn't up-to-date. There are some things which were changed quite a bit ago like Cerastium...
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Rodney Burton
rodney_m_burton
May 1, 2010 8:30 pm
Peter, I've gone through 3rd and 2nd editions side by side and marked all the changes I could find in pencil in the 3rd edition; as well as changes of name...
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Peter Llewellyn
peterjl2007
May 1, 2010 9:14 pm
Rodney, I applaud your work - that's a lot of reading and comparing. Athyrium flexile Stace in 3rd edition has become Athyrium distentifolium var flexile. ...
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John
johnrcrellin
May 2, 2010 6:34 am
I have been assured a new list is imminent......
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dw1305
May 2, 2010 11:25 am
Hi all, Thanks Martin, I'll have to have a look for V. reichenbachiana on the chalk/limestone downs locally, I've never had a proper look at the right time of...
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Peter Llewellyn
peterjl2007
May 2, 2010 11:36 am
Darell, BSBI maps gives Viola canina from all over England: ...
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Colin Jacobs
benacre2001
May 2, 2010 11:37 am
The hybrid between hirta x odorata was seen at Devils Dyke Cambs yesterday Colin Jacobs. Professional Writer, Ecology Consultant, Angling Guide and...
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Rodney Burton
rodney_m_burton
May 2, 2010 12:11 pm
Darrel, You can often tell a sweet violet from the car too because it forms patches by its runners, with flowers spread evenly across it, whereas hairy violet...
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Rodney Burton
rodney_m_burton
May 2, 2010 12:19 pm
Peter, It doesn't look to me as if it has been wrongly recorded. More than half the dots on that map are pre-1987. Rodney _____ From: UKBotany@yahoogroups.com...
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Colin Jacobs
benacre2001
May 2, 2010 12:39 pm
Once you know the flowering dates and spur colour and notched or un notched spur the ID is much easier. We have all four species(discussed in this thread) in...
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John
johnrcrellin
May 2, 2010 2:23 pm
Fascinating discussion - I wish I had realised there was a crib for these ! From my observations and poring over several sources to try to get a consensus...
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Colin Jacobs
benacre2001
May 2, 2010 5:10 pm
Very handy, in return why not join the WFS if not already a member http://www.thewildflowersociety.com/wfs_news/1z_news_stace_ed3_28_04_10.htm Colin Jacobs. ...
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Gill
ryenats
May 2, 2010 5:36 pm
Thanks Darrell - if those leaves are representative then I definitely haven't ever seen it (V. canina). I don't find the "basal leaf rosette" thing very...
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Gill
ryenats
May 2, 2010 5:36 pm
Never knowingly seen that - is it (a) common and (b) easy to id/distinctive? Gill...
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Gill
ryenats
May 2, 2010 5:37 pm
<<I applaud your work>> I agree - well done Rodney....
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Colin Jacobs
benacre2001
May 2, 2010 5:42 pm
Yes in the right habitat, hairy leaf petiole and mat forming so has the hairs of hirta and creeping rootstock of odorata The flowers are not really flowers in...
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Gill
ryenats
May 2, 2010 8:49 pm
What do you mean" the flowers are not really flowers"?...
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Malcolm Storey
bioimages2000
May 2, 2010 9:24 pm
... Agreed absolutely. AIUI, Recorder has a field for this (allegedly for nomenclaturally unstable taxonomic groups - apparently it's rarely used) but MapMate...
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Martin
rand_martin
May 3, 2010 6:16 am
There used to be a lot of that at the Leigh-on-Sea end of the Benfleet Downs in S Essex, on a calcareous facies of London Clay. Robust, clump-forming and very...
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Martin
rand_martin
May 3, 2010 6:32 am
Colin, The flowers of the hybrid are usually well formed and partially fertile, so I question what you are seeing here. Your "not really flowers" sounds more...
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Martin
rand_martin
May 3, 2010 6:38 am
It's declined in many places mostly through habitat loss. Although beginners sometimes make mistakes (from confusion over common names, or inadequate...
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John
johnrcrellin
May 3, 2010 6:58 am
I can confirm that - having bought some seed from Chiltern out of interest. I would hardly key the plants I have as rupestris though - not really very hairly...
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John
johnrcrellin
May 3, 2010 7:05 am
Yes - found it (V canina) (99% sure) near here (Hay on Wye) on common upland near a stream - but the sheep will devour it later in the season I suspect. The...
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Peter Llewellyn
peterjl2007
May 3, 2010 8:48 am
The Veg guide by John Poland has you counting crenations on the leaf (10- to 15) for V. canina. The other interesting thing about the violets which flower (in...
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dw1305
May 3, 2010 9:10 am
Hi all, I nearly wrote Rodney's comments for V. odorata, there are several "fairy rings" and "horseshoes" of V. odorata on the A4 E. of Bath. I'm pretty sure...
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John
johnrcrellin
May 3, 2010 9:10 am
Yes - I can cope with counting crenations - but examining (and understanding) vascular bundles (other taxa) is currently beyond me ! On yellowy green spurs - I...
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Andy Horton
glaucus25
May 3, 2010 10:49 am
Hello, Mill Hill should be simple We have thousands of Sweet Violets, followed by thousands Dog Violets (with an overlap) in April, the new hybrids and later...
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Gill
ryenats
May 3, 2010 12:34 pm
One up to Recorder then :-) I have used both in the past but never really got to grips with either in the sense that I could sit down and enter a load of...
