>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT)
>From: mrbill19622002@... (Bill)
>Subject: [ParentsEndingProhibition] my 2 cents

B: Erin's taking a rare break from the computer, allowing me
to add my thoughts to what is looking like an unecessary and
unfortunate eulogy for PEP. It is unfortunate to watch
someone devote so much of their heart and soul into a
project, only to have it sidelined by petty peripheral
arguments that, to the best of my knowledge, have done
nothing to further the anti-prohibitionist cause, only sap
and redirect energies that could have been so productive
otherwise.

JCT: Petty peripheral arguments between those posting
arguments to invalidate the law and Richard trying who
opposes them. For someone supposedly interested in ending
the law, I'd have thought someone would have asked Richard
to explain why he opposed Turmel's motion to end the law. He
used to tell us it was because Alan Young had condemned the
move. Now that Alan Young has had to beg the court to be
included in it, how does he explain his past reasons. And
how to you explain that you can stomach someone who opposes
invalidating prohibition to have a leading role in your
group?

B: I hope when Erin is able to recreate what she had tried
to accomplish here - and I have every bit of faith that she
will - that those who have participated in this list in an
honest and productive manner will join us in some actual
creative work.

JCT: You let it die hoping it will be recreated?

B: I know I'm looking forward to a forum where I can discuss
policies and philosophies with those who can keep on track,

JCT: Which you could not do here, you say? Why could you not
discuss policies and philosophies with members of Parents
Ending Prohibition, so much so, that you're looking forward
to a better class of correspondents?

B: and I will personally do everything I can to facilitate
her efforts. So to everyone who plans on helping to make a
real difference, it's been nice working with you.

JCT: So, does losing the ear of a bunch of chickens who
quietly see their association destroyed matter? Yes. When it
comes down to the crunch, those who couldn't pick between
"Turmel's motion to invalidate the prohibition" and
Richard's with to censor informaition about it, they most
often get in the way. Best to find out who the gutless ones
that can be manipulated by the opposition are right at the
start and say good riddance to getting them out of the game.
Is it better with Erin now on the sidelines, yes, if bowing
the Richard Lake shenanigans is her style of play.
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>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 04:06:24 +1000 (EST)
>From: sunset_and_spliff@... (Cheryl Sunset)
>Subject: Re: Taking a longer break
>To: ParentsEndingProhibition@yahoogroups.com

>Erin <hbmama1999@...> wrote:
>I've reached a difficult decision.

ahhhhhhh Erin... I've enjoyed being involved, albeit bold
and loud or silent and pensive. Sorry man, this IS fucked,
BUT totally understandable, if theres anything I can do,
email me whenever you want, or better still, have a break
theres a bed here in Ireland for you and your crew !! Take
care & PEACE..... Lots of Love from an Aussie buddy Cheryl

JCT: Yes, ending an association of these kinds of people
seems totally understantable. Actually, Bill explained that
it was understandable because he couldn't get an intelligent
conversation started with any of you any more. What's your
reason for understanding that it's better that your lines of
communication between group members be ended? Don't tell me
both you and Bill were waiting for someone else to start an
intelligent conversation and the group is going to die
because one of the two intelligent peeple in the group
didn't start a conversation.
=====

>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: hbmama1999@... (Erin)
>Subject: Re: Re: Taking a longer break

Thanks for such a beautiful post and your support. You're
right... it's far more than just the obvious irritations and
humiliations on here. Sometimes ya just gotta know when to
fold the cards and walk away so you can survive to play
another day.

JCT: The question is why you have the right to kill it for
everyone else? Why, because you're tired of waiting for
discussion, should the group's deletion b eup to you? Do you
understand the power you are arrogating to yourself? "I have
decided to end the Parents Group," you say. Sad you were
flustered into doing something so autocratic just because
you can. Especially when you could just put it on "no
moderation" and let members who want to leave leave and
those who want to stay stay. Why do you have to kill the
party for everyone just because you want to go home. Is your
football and you're taking it home?

E: We're days away from the governor signing the bill here
(if he does!), and mostly, I need to focus my energy on that
this coming week. So I want this done with and not hanging
over my head after tonight. As you know, we moms don't have
the luxury of sitting around and typing hour after hour! LOL
I have to invest my time wisely, and this list is not a wise
investment right now. I know we'll talk more, so...tbc in
private! ;-) Erin

JCT: And there's no way you'll allow the group to continue
without you in charge, is what you're saying, right? If you
don't play, we don't play.

Margaret Jaques <Margiemix@...> wrote:
MJ: Erin, I stand by your decision completely and your
reasonings for it.

JCT: What a lot of support for the killing their baby.

MJ: I understand that "Turmoil" is not even a part of your
whole decision.

JCT: Actually, it's about Richard's insistence on banning
Turmel. And he's been such a wonderful brown-noser and
Turmel's taken his banning so boorishly, that it must be
really stressful having to comply with her friendly brown-
noser's need to ban the boor.

MJ: That your decision is solely based on this present time
in your life and your concerns at the moment. Each concern
important and justified to you as a wife, parent and
activist for natural pharmacueticals. (In that order
respectively.)

JCT: Killing the groups lines of communications is not your
decision, Erin. Do it and you'll regret it no matter what
these foul-thinking "friends" advise you to do.

MJ: Putting it all on the line, this group was started for
that very reason in which it is ending. The fact that we are
forced as parents to choose between our kids and the use of
a harmless plant.

JCT: It is not ending because parents are forced to choose,
it's ending because the guy trying to save the parents
from the choice is being banned by the guy who doesn't. The
group is dying because Richard Lake insists on making
trouble. And not because of your failure to attain your
goal. Though giving up does denote that failure, doesn't it?
Still, I don't think you have the groups goals in mind if
you disapprove of Turmoil's motion to invalidate the law.

MJ: "Sorry my odd leaved green and sticky buddy... but I
have to shelf ya for now." We all know the leaf isn't the
cause of family dysfunction, but the law that makes the leaf
a criminal. The law that makes inner cities dangerous and
breaks up familys. The law that has removed from us a
freedom we should all be able to pursue. It limits our
medical choices and for many the quality of life.
The "law" is our shared enemy... NOT EACHOTHER! Hugs to all
and hoping we meet again someday along our shared paths.
=Mix)

JCT: And you permitted the banning of the guy who is
fighting to invalidate the law by the guy opposing him. A
shame I hope I can have trail you for the rest of your
reformer's useless life. People don't get their big test in
public when they expect it and committing a strategic
mistake costs forever. Notice how Richard Lake officially
endorsing Professor Alan Young's "ensuring Turmel's motion
to invalidate the law does not proceed," indicts him
forever just as letting this group die because you didn't
disagree with him indicts you all too.

>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
>From: hbmama1999@... (Erin)
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: ParentsEndingProhibition Dies
>To: ParentsEndingProhibition@yahoogroups.com

What the hell is wrong with you??? I've seen zoo animals
with more humility and social graces! You really are a
cruel, heartless, sonuvabitch, and I'm glad to be rid of
you! Erin

JCT: Lady, you've acted gutless and I don't care how nice
you are if you don't condemn Richard Lake's banning me. You
let me back and then something happened to change your mind
and decide you have no alternative but kill the group. I'm
making sure you realize that if you kill a pro-marijuana
group because you don't support my motion to end prohibition
and you think there is no difference between Lake and me,
then you are being a hypocrite to your words "ending
prohibition." So you don't deserve my respect if you cave
in. And when you mentioned I was rough on you before, I'd
bet it was about the same kind of issue. Your not being able
to distinguish between the moles and the real reformers.
===

>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 19:11:09 +0000
>From: mystery-magic@... (mysterymagic333)
>Subject: [ParentsEndingProhibition] Mr. Turmel
>To: ParentsEndingProhibition@yahoogroups.com

I have not been writing on this list for some time. I
realized when I did that my interests and feelings were
quite different from most the members. As a result, I
decided to merely peek in from time to time to see how
things were going. Most times I found the issues
interesting and informative...Never boring.

Now today I hear that Erin feels she has to close down the
site and I am very saddened. I know Erin personally and she
is a loving, intelligent, caring, strong woman. I know that
for her to reach this decision, it must have been extremely
difficult, and my heart goes out to her.

As for you, Mr. Turmel, you are nothing more than a horse's
patootie! (Don't know if that translates into Canadian but
I'll bet you can guess my meaning!) You have insulted,
blamed and belittled Erin...an individual you obviously do
not know and for whom you have no appreciation. You should
be ashamed, Sir! You owe the lady a fervent apology.

JCT: And I feel the same way about a person who lets them do
what they just did to your lines of communication. You won't
be able to communicate with your group of friends any more
because Richard Lake did something to Erin between the time
everything was okay and the time the group had to die. I
have no respect for people like you mainly because you don't
even realize how weak a play you have made. I'm just glad
you're on the record of not defending your lines of
communications, even welcoming not being about to access
your whole groups of friends anymore.
===

>Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:44:14 +0000
>From: t_bartlett@... ("Clarice T. Bartlett")
>Subject: medical approval.. 8pg7z8m
>To: ParentsEndingProhibition@yahoogroups.com

Hey Bill, Long time no see, give your girl a huge from me
will ya?? take care & PEACE Sunset (aka Cheryl)

JCT: Correspondence brought back to life by the group's
funeral.
===

>Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 05:56:44 +1000 (EST)
>From: sunset_and_spliff@... (Cheryl Sunset)
>Subject: Re: TURMEL: ParentsEndingProhibition Dies
>To: ParentsEndingProhibition@yahoogroups.com

CS: WTF??........... who the hell ARE you, or should I say
WHAT? An android with no emotions???

JCT: Yes. A cold hard exposer of weakness and cowardice, no
matter how nice the victim.

CS: Damn so far all the way through ST, (and I've been a
member there for ages) and the newer and sometimes wiser
PEP, I have soooooo refrained from saying anything to this
gentlemen who is the object of the subject (lol...that made
me laugh) matter below (and I use that term 'gentle' very,
extremely, utterly, conclusively, toooooootally.............
loosely) but.................. " Those who say do not
know.......... those who know do not say " And as far as I
can remember, after all I AM a stoner, I think I made that
up......... *stands up and takes a bow* But surely not,
cause I reckon every word, and opinioin has been written
and/or opined before. take care and INNER PEACE to ya Sunset
(aka Cheryl......... even answers to the pothead from
downunder)

>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:16:06 +0000
>From: hbmama1999@... (Erin)
>Subject: [ParentsEndingProhibition] Till a little later....

Ok, folks... as of 6pm, the list will be history.
I just wanted to end with a tiny bit of dignity and grace,
so I'd like to share some thoughts about tomorrow.

JCT: There's no dignity in cowardice, Erin. Nor in being
played for a fool.

E: In honor of Mother's Day, would you all please take just
a few moments to write a letter, expressing your feelings as
parents about the wod, to an elected official or a
newspaper?

JCT: I'm a politician fighting for medpot. A rarity. And you
want to write to a politician but reject any politician who
comes to you?

E: If you don't feel comfortable being this bold, then
perhaps just light a candle and remember the mothers who are
spending tomorrow behind bars and away from their kids, and
those whose kids have become collateral damage in this war.
I find those kinds of meditations to be very motivating when
I'm afraid or discouraged! Perhaps you will too.

JCT: You might think writing letters with the herd is bold
but standing out in a crowd and doing your dyty is bold.

E: It's not going to change overnight, but the more people
like me, who are inspired to action through these message
boards, and come forward, the faster the changes will come!
You've all inspired me, and I've learned a lot by starting
this group. Thank you very much for sharing in my little
project :-)!
I'd like to say it's been a pleasure knowing all of you, but
this would clearly be untrue LOL. Instead, I wish you all
great success in your efforts to end prohibition, and much
love in your lives! Onward.... Erin

JCT: Bunch of losers defeated by prohibitionist forces
deserve no respect at the funeral. Good riddance to a group
that won't fight for survival.

Parents ending prohibition by making sure Turmel's motion t0
end prohibition does not succeed! Har har har har.

Erin, you'll never live it down. And Richard's just been
exposed a lot more to kill your 34-person group.

>Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
>From: hbmama1999@... (Erin)
>Subject: Re: [ParentsEndingProhibition] my 2 cents

LMAO I love you guys! ;-)

JCT: Bye, losers.



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Abolitionist Slave Leader John C."The Banking Systems Engineer" Turmel
for UNILETS interest-free time-based currency in U.N. resolution C6
to Governments in the http://www.un.org/millennium/declaration.htm
http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel / http://www.medpot.net 613-562-0669