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#739 From: "h.meiswinkel" <h.meiswinkel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 3:33 pm
Subject: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
h.meiswinkel
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How can I connect USAPhotoMaps with my Garmin Oregon 450?
I set the GPS protocol to "Garmin USB".
But then comes the error: "Your USB Garmin doesn't seem to be attached."

Please help me.

#740 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
charwill51
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Does Windows recognize it?  Do you need to load a driver?

On 4/13/2011 10:33 AM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
 

How can I connect USAPhotoMaps with my Garmin Oregon 450?
I set the GPS protocol to "Garmin USB".
But then comes the error: "Your USB Garmin doesn't seem to be attached."

Please help me.


#741 From: "h.meiswinkel" <h.meiswinkel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
h.meiswinkel
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--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
wrote:
>
> Does Windows recognize it?  Do you need to load a driver?

Yes, the Oregon 450 appears in Windows 7 as a normal device (H:).
I installed the Garmin USB Drivers too.

#742 From: John Sperr <jsperr@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
mriceyacht
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Garmin Oregon, Nuvi, Colorado, and perhaps other newer units seem to do
things differently than the older Etrex models.


If your Oregon  450 can output a GPX file, try importing it with
USAPhotomaps. If it is recognizing it as a drive (H:), you may be able
to navigate directly to it from USAPhotomaps.

Read the GPS help file in USAPhotomaps and try the NMEA interface.

DNR Garmin is a free program that has been updated to work with the
above units. Import the file to DNR Garmin, save it as a gpx file, then
import it with USAPhotomaps.

John Sperr
http://www.hriyc.org
PO BOX 573
Rhinebeck NY 12572-0573


On 4/13/2011 12:25 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:USAphotomaps%40yahoogroups.com>, Charlie Williams
> <CharlieWilliams@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does Windows recognize it? Do you need to load a driver?
>
> Yes, the Oregon 450 appears in Windows 7 as a normal device (H:).
> I installed the Garmin USB Drivers too.
>
>

#743 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
charwill51
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I don't have my Garmin at the office with me so I can only approach it from the Win side.

1) Do you have any other programs that can see the GPS, like Mapsource?  If that works, then it must be a USAPM issue.
2) Plug in the GPS and let Win recognize it and check Device Manager to see it it reports any errors.

On 4/13/2011 11:25 AM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
 

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Does Windows recognize it? Do you need to load a driver?

Yes, the Oregon 450 appears in Windows 7 as a normal device (H:).
I installed the Garmin USB Drivers too.


#744 From: "h.meiswinkel" <h.meiswinkel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
h.meiswinkel
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--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
wrote:
> 1) Do you have any other programs that can see the GPS, like Mapsource?

Mapsource imports from the Oregon only the current track not the saved files
(waypoints, routes, tracks).
ExpertGPS imports and exports all of them without any problem.
But USAPM is my favourite programm and i want to use it with my Garmin in the
future.
I am from Germany and I manage my hiking vacations with USAPM. It is so helpfull
to switch between aerial photos and topo maps.
Before I had an Etrex H with serial adapter and had no problems with USAPM.
I need the function to send a GPS-Point from USAPM to my Garmin.

> If that works, then it must be a USAPM issue.
> 2) Plug in the GPS and let Win recognize it and check Device Manager to
> see it it reports any errors.

In the device manager are no errors!

#745 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 6:34 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
charwill51
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I have a 60cs and I'll try to play with it tonight (I'm in the USA so it is still working hours).  However someone else posted that the Oregon might be different. 

On 4/13/2011 12:53 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
 



--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...> wrote:
> 1) Do you have any other programs that can see the GPS, like Mapsource?

Mapsource imports from the Oregon only the current track not the saved files (waypoints, routes, tracks).
ExpertGPS imports and exports all of them without any problem.
But USAPM is my favourite programm and i want to use it with my Garmin in the future.
I am from Germany and I manage my hiking vacations with USAPM. It is so helpfull to switch between aerial photos and topo maps.
Before I had an Etrex H with serial adapter and had no problems with USAPM.
I need the function to send a GPS-Point from USAPM to my Garmin.

> If that works, then it must be a USAPM issue.
> 2) Plug in the GPS and let Win recognize it and check Device Manager to
> see it it reports any errors.

In the device manager are no errors!


#746 From: John Sperr <jsperr@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:48 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
mriceyacht
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http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Computer+Transfer

John Sperr
http://www.hriyc.org
PO BOX 573
Rhinebeck NY 12572-0573


On 4/13/2011 1:53 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:USAphotomaps%40yahoogroups.com>, Charlie Williams
> <CharlieWilliams@...> wrote:
> > 1) Do you have any other programs that can see the GPS, like Mapsource?
>
> Mapsource imports from the Oregon only the current track not the saved
> files (waypoints, routes, tracks).
> ExpertGPS imports and exports all of them without any problem.
> But USAPM is my favourite programm and i want to use it with my Garmin
> in the future.
> I am from Germany and I manage my hiking vacations with USAPM. It is
> so helpfull to switch between aerial photos and topo maps.
> Before I had an Etrex H with serial adapter and had no problems with
> USAPM.
> I need the function to send a GPS-Point from USAPM to my Garmin.
>
> > If that works, then it must be a USAPM issue.
> > 2) Plug in the GPS and let Win recognize it and check Device Manager to
> > see it it reports any errors.
>
> In the device manager are no errors!
>
>

#747 From: "h.meiswinkel" <h.meiswinkel@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
h.meiswinkel
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Thank you for the Link.
It seems that I can't use USAPM with my Oregon like before with my Etrex H.
I must look which way is the best to manage my GPS-Points.


--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, John Sperr <jsperr@...> wrote:
>
> http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Computer+Transfer

#748 From: Amir K9CHP <sarlabs@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
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Try G7towin (google that). It is free, will extract your tracks/waypoints and then you can import them to USAphotomaps.

Give Topofusion a trial too, as it will also allow you to download waypoints and tracks without problems. I don't know how much the other features may be worth while to you overseas, but that is something for you to investigate.


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On 4/13/2011 4:49 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
 

Thank you for the Link.
It seems that I can't use USAPM with my Oregon like before with my Etrex H.
I must look which way is the best to manage my GPS-Points.

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, John Sperr <jsperr@...> wrote:
>
> http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Computer+Transfer


#749 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:18 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
charwill51
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What about dumping your gpx to the sd card and importing it to USAPM

On 4/13/2011 3:49 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
 

Thank you for the Link.
It seems that I can't use USAPM with my Oregon like before with my Etrex H.
I must look which way is the best to manage my GPS-Points.

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, John Sperr <jsperr@...> wrote:
>
> http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Computer+Transfer


#750 From: John Sperr <jsperr@...>
Date: Wed Apr 13, 2011 10:42 pm
Subject: Re: Re: can't connect to my Garmin Oregon 450
mriceyacht
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Here's what I would try to download data from the Oregon GPS:

Hook up the Oregon -- let's say it shows up as before as drive H:

Fire up USAPhotomaps and from the menu select:

File -- Import -- GPX Tracks --H:\Garmin\GPX\Current\Current.gpx


Uploading to the GPS it would be:

File -- Export Tracks to GPX -- H:\Garmin\GPX\Current\Current.gpx

John Sperr
http://www.hriyc.org
PO BOX 573
Rhinebeck NY 12572-0573


On 4/13/2011 12:25 PM, h.meiswinkel wrote:
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:USAphotomaps%40yahoogroups.com>, Charlie Williams
> <CharlieWilliams@...> wrote:
> >
> > Does Windows recognize it? Do you need to load a driver?
>
> Yes, the Oregon 450 appears in Windows 7 as a normal device (H:).
> I installed the Garmin USB Drivers too.
>
>

#751 From: "John Wargo" <wargoycc@...>
Date: Thu May 12, 2011 2:38 am
Subject: Re: New Installation Problem
wargoycc
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--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "bob6576775" <bob31439@...> wrote:
>
> I've been a USAphotomaps user for several years.  I recently attempted to
update the program as it seemed to have trouble connecting to the map server.  I
uninstalled the old program and downloaded the latest 2.78 full installation
file from the JDMCOX Software website.  When I double click the USA
Photomaps.exe file, I get "Error opening file for writing" after selecing
components to install.  The program doesn't launch.  Help please.
>
> Bob Gaudio
>
I am having the exact same problem! I don't know what to do. I've also have the
same exact story.

John

#752 From: "gnuarm" <gnuarm.2006@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2011 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: New Installation Problem
gnuarm
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--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "John Wargo" <wargoycc@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "bob6576775" <bob31439@> wrote:
> >
> > I've been a USAphotomaps user for several years.  I recently attempted to
update the program as it seemed to have trouble connecting to the map server.  I
uninstalled the old program and downloaded the latest 2.78 full installation
file from the JDMCOX Software website.  When I double click the USA
Photomaps.exe file, I get "Error opening file for writing" after selecing
components to install.  The program doesn't launch.  Help please.
> >
> > Bob Gaudio
> >
> I am having the exact same problem! I don't know what to do. I've also have
the same exact story.
>
> John

Did you read the rest of the thread?  This is an issue that happens to programs
that weren't written according to the requirements of Windows which says data
files should not be placed in the Program Files directory.  You need to either
move the entire installation to a different directory or I believe you can edit
a line in the setup file to use a different directory for the data files.

I don't recall if Mr. Cox has stepped away from the program or if he is just
laying low for a while.  But either way I don't expect this aspect of this
application and many other open source applications to be changed.  Although
this has been the MS recommendation since at least XP if not Win2k, it was not a
problem for users until Vista came out.  Now most new computers will be giving
heartburn to their owners when older software is installed and we will need to
learn to adapt to it.

Certainly this is a program worth the bit of effort this requires.  I was
showing something to a friend the other day using USAPM and he remarked how much
better he thought this map data is compared to the online stuff!  Google doesn't
show many features on the water really.  Often it doesn't even show names of
rivers and such!  I just wish we could get some updated data files.  Someday I
really will track this down.

Rick

#753 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2011 4:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Installation Problem
charwill51
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I have 2.78 on Win 7 but USAPM is on my D drive.  So follow Rick's advice and try loading it outside /Program Files.

Doug said he has retired from this.

Regarding updated maps, USGS is no longer updating what are now the "legacy" topos. They are moving to the new "US Topo," a digital map using layers, imagery and a pdf format.  USAPM will not work with them.  1) they are not on the MS server and 2) they are not jpg.

On 5/13/2011 10:54 AM, gnuarm wrote:
 



--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "John Wargo" <wargoycc@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "bob6576775" <bob31439@> wrote:
> >
> > I've been a USAphotomaps user for several years. I recently attempted to update the program as it seemed to have trouble connecting to the map server. I uninstalled the old program and downloaded the latest 2.78 full installation file from the JDMCOX Software website. When I double click the USA Photomaps.exe file, I get "Error opening file for writing" after selecing components to install. The program doesn't launch. Help please.
> >
> > Bob Gaudio
> >
> I am having the exact same problem! I don't know what to do. I've also have the same exact story.
>
> John

Did you read the rest of the thread? This is an issue that happens to programs that weren't written according to the requirements of Windows which says data files should not be placed in the Program Files directory. You need to either move the entire installation to a different directory or I believe you can edit a line in the setup file to use a different directory for the data files.

I don't recall if Mr. Cox has stepped away from the program or if he is just laying low for a while. But either way I don't expect this aspect of this application and many other open source applications to be changed. Although this has been the MS recommendation since at least XP if not Win2k, it was not a problem for users until Vista came out. Now most new computers will be giving heartburn to their owners when older software is installed and we will need to learn to adapt to it.

Certainly this is a program worth the bit of effort this requires. I was showing something to a friend the other day using USAPM and he remarked how much better he thought this map data is compared to the online stuff! Google doesn't show many features on the water really. Often it doesn't even show names of rivers and such! I just wish we could get some updated data files. Someday I really will track this down.

Rick


#754 From: Jerry Sullivan <jhsulliv@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2011 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Installation Problem
railroadman_...
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I have no trouble running USaPhotomaps on Win-7, but it is installed in the Program files directory of my "E" drive as I use two physical disks on the system.  It is an excellent program for many things.  Those of us who do routes in Microsoft TrainSim use it almost exclusively, although we find that various google products work better with later simulators such as RailWorks.  Even so, after almost 10 years, MSTS is still the preferred simulator for many folks, especially in the US, and yes, it can be a sobering experience to load a program on Win-7.  Even though I am administrator, I still have to set protections for the Administrator on every legacy program that I use.
The main problem with most legacy programs is not that they won't run, but that they cannot be installed without tweaking the registry manually.  Legacy programs used 16-bit installers which will not run on any 64-bit system, and also I am told will not run on Win-7/32 either.  Thus I keep a old XP machine to do some off-line route preperation.

Jerry Sullivan

On 5/13/2011 12:40 PM, Charlie Williams wrote:
 

I have 2.78 on Win 7 but USAPM is on my D drive.  So follow Rick's advice and try loading it outside /Program Files.

Doug said he has retired from this.

Regarding updated maps, USGS is no longer updating what are now the "legacy" topos. They are moving to the new "US Topo," a digital map using layers, imagery and a pdf format.  USAPM will not work with them.  1) they are not on the MS server and 2) they are not jpg.

On 5/13/2011 10:54 AM, gnuarm wrote:

 



--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "John Wargo" <wargoycc@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "bob6576775" <bob31439@> wrote:
> >
> > I've been a USAphotomaps user for several years. I recently attempted to update the program as it seemed to have trouble connecting to the map server. I uninstalled the old program and downloaded the latest 2.78 full installation file from the JDMCOX Software website. When I double click the USA Photomaps.exe file, I get "Error opening file for writing" after selecing components to install. The program doesn't launch. Help please.
> >
> > Bob Gaudio
> >
> I am having the exact same problem! I don't know what to do. I've also have the same exact story.
>
> John

Did you read the rest of the thread? This is an issue that happens to programs that weren't written according to the requirements of Windows which says data files should not be placed in the Program Files directory. You need to either move the entire installation to a different directory or I believe you can edit a line in the setup file to use a different directory for the data files.

I don't recall if Mr. Cox has stepped away from the program or if he is just laying low for a while. But either way I don't expect this aspect of this application and many other open source applications to be changed. Although this has been the MS recommendation since at least XP if not Win2k, it was not a problem for users until Vista came out. Now most new computers will be giving heartburn to their owners when older software is installed and we will need to learn to adapt to it.

Certainly this is a program worth the bit of effort this requires. I was showing something to a friend the other day using USAPM and he remarked how much better he thought this map data is compared to the online stuff! Google doesn't show many features on the water really. Often it doesn't even show names of rivers and such! I just wish we could get some updated data files. Someday I really will track this down.

Rick



#755 From: "Lou" <bajalou@...>
Date: Fri May 13, 2011 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: Re: New Installation Problem
louwellsbaja
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Last year I loaded USAPhotomaps on a 32 bit Windows 7 laptop without any problems that I remember.  It’s still running good as ever
 
Lou
 
From: John Wargo
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: [USAphotomaps] Re: New Installation Problem
 
 


--- In mailto:USAphotomaps%40yahoogroups.com, "bob6576775" <bob31439@...> wrote:
>
> I've been a USAphotomaps user for several years. I recently attempted to update the program as it seemed to have trouble connecting to the map server. I uninstalled the old program and downloaded the latest 2.78 full installation file from the JDMCOX Software website. When I double click the USA Photomaps.exe file, I get "Error opening file for writing" after selecing components to install. The program doesn't launch. Help please.
>
> Bob Gaudio
>
I am having the exact same problem! I don't know what to do. I've also have the same exact story.

John


#756 From: "lupitacox" <jdmcox@...>
Date: Sat May 14, 2011 7:37 pm
Subject: Approach Control
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I added an Approach Control "game" to USAPhotoMaps.
It's for the user to take flights from Center and set them up for  landing. A
rule of thumb is to have an airplane 30 miles from an airport at 10,000 at 250
knots, and then start a descent to intermediate altitudes and then to approach
altitude (about 1,500' AGL). Approach speed for an airliner is about 170 knots.
Doug Cox

#757 From: Jerry Sullivan <jhsulliv@...>
Date: Sat May 14, 2011 7:55 pm
Subject: Re: Approach Control
railroadman_...
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I wondered about that.  I have FSX and will try it with a B-737.  Never flew a heavy myself, but I have
about 900 hours in Cessnas and Mooneys.

Jerry Sullivan

On 5/14/2011 3:37 PM, lupitacox wrote:
 

I added an Approach Control "game" to USAPhotoMaps.
It's for the user to take flights from Center and set them up for landing. A rule of thumb is to have an airplane 30 miles from an airport at 10,000 at 250 knots, and then start a descent to intermediate altitudes and then to approach altitude (about 1,500' AGL). Approach speed for an airliner is about 170 knots.
Doug Cox



#758 From: "gps_greg" <gps_greg@...>
Date: Wed May 25, 2011 1:36 am
Subject: Moving Data To Another Computer
gps_greg
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This has probably be talked about in great detail, but I am not finding it with
search.
The HDD on my laptop is physically damaged and I will have to send it in to have
the data recovered.
I had about 70GB of USAPhotoMaps data on it.

I have purchased a new HDD for the laptop and am in the process of doing fresh
installs of all the programs and such.

Operating system before and after was/will be XP Pro.

In the mean time I started downloading map data onto a desktop that has Vista
and now would like to transfer it over to the laptop.
Problem is I cannot figure out where it is on the hard drive.
The "USAPhotoMapsData" and "BigPhotoMapsData" folders are not visible in the
USAPhotoMaps directory.
I CAN see them when I look for a place to put data when using TerraFetcher.

I know that it is a problem with permissions in Vista, but I cannot figure out
how to view them.
I've tried all the settings I can think of; I just cannot get Vista to do what I
want.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Greg
WØGRB

#759 From: Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
Date: Wed May 25, 2011 4:56 pm
Subject: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
charwill51
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By default the Program is installed in USAPhotoMaps and the data is in a sub dir called USAPhotoMapsData.

Can you find USAPhotoMaps?  If not go to Windows control panel, folder options and click "show hidden files, folders.."

On 5/24/2011 8:36 PM, gps_greg wrote:
 

This has probably be talked about in great detail, but I am not finding it with search.
The HDD on my laptop is physically damaged and I will have to send it in to have the data recovered.
I had about 70GB of USAPhotoMaps data on it.

I have purchased a new HDD for the laptop and am in the process of doing fresh installs of all the programs and such.

Operating system before and after was/will be XP Pro.

In the mean time I started downloading map data onto a desktop that has Vista and now would like to transfer it over to the laptop.
Problem is I cannot figure out where it is on the hard drive.
The "USAPhotoMapsData" and "BigPhotoMapsData" folders are not visible in the USAPhotoMaps directory.
I CAN see them when I look for a place to put data when using TerraFetcher.

I know that it is a problem with permissions in Vista, but I cannot figure out how to view them.
I've tried all the settings I can think of; I just cannot get Vista to do what I want.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Greg
WØGRB


#760 From: Barry Lankford <BarryL@...>
Date: Wed May 25, 2011 7:43 pm
Subject: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
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Greg,

As for the Vista situation, I think the location of the data may depend on
whether the USAPhotoMaps directory and the rest of the installation (the
executables, etc.) is installed in the Program Files directory.  I haven't
used the "Installer" version of USAPhotoMaps myself, and I when I got
started with USAPM way back when (and later moved the whole thing to my new
Vista desktop and laptop), I just extracted the whole directory/file
structure from the old computer that at the time had an old version of
Windows (98se, I think).  Back then you put USAPM in any directory of your
own choosing, without the help of any sort of automatic Installation.  I
haven't ever tried the install program for USAPM, so I don't know what it
does.  It's possible the current install procedure put the program in a
directory it created in the Program Files directory, and Windows probably
created a "shadowed" set of data directories in a hidden area called
AppData.  You can get into the AppData area without "unhiding" it by
clicking the Start button on the Task Bar and typing 'appdata' in the
'Start Search' field (without the quotes).  The results will show the
directory, probably as the first (or maybe ONLY) item in the results list.
   It'll probably look something like this:

C:\Users\<USERNAME>\AppData\...

Where <USERNAME> would be the name of your personal home directory.
There'll be maybe three subdirectories there, and you can open them and
look for USAPhotoMaps...  Just click on the search result to open the
directory.  From that point on in the appdata directory structure, nothing
else is hidden, and you'll have full access to anything in there (you may
have to be logged in as and administrator though - I can't recall for sure
about that).

Like I said, this all depends on where the executables, DLLs and such were
put when you installed USAPM on the Vista machine, but I think there's a
strong likelihood that's where you'll find the data.

The whole point of all this in Vista, as far as I know, is to help protect
critical areas of file storage, such as Program Files, from accidental
damage by denying programs the ability to write to any directories in
Program Files.  Windows has set up this shadowed appdata area to
transparently receive data written by programs while the program is unaware
that the data has been diverted.  Although I've never tried it, I think
this also allows multiple users to have their own data areas for installed
programs, so even old programs can be configured independently by each user
without any changes to the old programs themselves.  I've actually got a
15-year old version of CorelDraw running pretty well on my Vista computer,
and an even older version of WordPerfect, but I had to force the
installation procedure to put the installation in a directory outside of
Program Files.  That often works with really, really old software on Vista.

Hope this all makes some kind of sense.  Vista really isn't all that bad,
it just requires a good bit of getting used to it.  I had to really make a
long leap when I went from a Win98SE desktop to two Vista PCs, a desktop
and a laptop.  THEN about a year later I got around to my first in-depth XP
experience when I bought a netbook.

Barry N4MSJ

#761 From: "gps_greg" <gps_greg@...>
Date: Thu May 26, 2011 12:19 am
Subject: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
gps_greg
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Had already done that; didn't help.

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Williams <CharlieWilliams@...>
wrote:
>
> By default the Program is installed in USAPhotoMaps and the data is in a
> sub dir called USAPhotoMapsData.
>
> Can you find USAPhotoMaps?  If not go to Windows control panel, folder
> options and click "show hidden files, folders.."
>
> On 5/24/2011 8:36 PM, gps_greg wrote:
> >
> > This has probably be talked about in great detail, but I am not
> > finding it with search.
> > The HDD on my laptop is physically damaged and I will have to send it
> > in to have the data recovered.
> > I had about 70GB of USAPhotoMaps data on it.
> >
> > I have purchased a new HDD for the laptop and am in the process of
> > doing fresh installs of all the programs and such.
> >
> > Operating system before and after was/will be XP Pro.
> >
> > In the mean time I started downloading map data onto a desktop that
> > has Vista and now would like to transfer it over to the laptop.
> > Problem is I cannot figure out where it is on the hard drive.
> > The "USAPhotoMapsData" and "BigPhotoMapsData" folders are not visible
> > in the USAPhotoMaps directory.
> > I CAN see them when I look for a place to put data when using
> > TerraFetcher.
> >
> > I know that it is a problem with permissions in Vista, but I cannot
> > figure out how to view them.
> > I've tried all the settings I can think of; I just cannot get Vista to
> > do what I want.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> > WØGRB
> >
> >
>

#762 From: "gps_greg" <gps_greg@...>
Date: Thu May 26, 2011 12:38 am
Subject: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
gps_greg
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Barry-
Thanks, I did not know all that stuff.
Still didn't find it.
Guess I'll just start downloading it again.
Oh well.

Greg

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Barry Lankford <BarryL@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> As for the Vista situation, I think the location of the data may depend on
> whether the USAPhotoMaps directory and the rest of the installation (the
> executables, etc.) is installed in the Program Files directory.  I haven't
> used the "Installer" version of USAPhotoMaps myself, and I when I got
> started with USAPM way back when (and later moved the whole thing to my new
> Vista desktop and laptop), I just extracted the whole directory/file
> structure from the old computer that at the time had an old version of
> Windows (98se, I think).  Back then you put USAPM in any directory of your
> own choosing, without the help of any sort of automatic Installation.  I
> haven't ever tried the install program for USAPM, so I don't know what it
> does.  It's possible the current install procedure put the program in a
> directory it created in the Program Files directory, and Windows probably
> created a "shadowed" set of data directories in a hidden area called
> AppData.  You can get into the AppData area without "unhiding" it by
> clicking the Start button on the Task Bar and typing 'appdata' in the
> 'Start Search' field (without the quotes).  The results will show the
> directory, probably as the first (or maybe ONLY) item in the results list.
>   It'll probably look something like this:
>
> C:\Users\<USERNAME>\AppData\...
>
> Where <USERNAME> would be the name of your personal home directory.
> There'll be maybe three subdirectories there, and you can open them and
> look for USAPhotoMaps...  Just click on the search result to open the
> directory.  From that point on in the appdata directory structure, nothing
> else is hidden, and you'll have full access to anything in there (you may
> have to be logged in as and administrator though - I can't recall for sure
> about that).
>
> Like I said, this all depends on where the executables, DLLs and such were
> put when you installed USAPM on the Vista machine, but I think there's a
> strong likelihood that's where you'll find the data.
>
> The whole point of all this in Vista, as far as I know, is to help protect
> critical areas of file storage, such as Program Files, from accidental
> damage by denying programs the ability to write to any directories in
> Program Files.  Windows has set up this shadowed appdata area to
> transparently receive data written by programs while the program is unaware
> that the data has been diverted.  Although I've never tried it, I think
> this also allows multiple users to have their own data areas for installed
> programs, so even old programs can be configured independently by each user
> without any changes to the old programs themselves.  I've actually got a
> 15-year old version of CorelDraw running pretty well on my Vista computer,
> and an even older version of WordPerfect, but I had to force the
> installation procedure to put the installation in a directory outside of
> Program Files.  That often works with really, really old software on Vista.
>
> Hope this all makes some kind of sense.  Vista really isn't all that bad,
> it just requires a good bit of getting used to it.  I had to really make a
> long leap when I went from a Win98SE desktop to two Vista PCs, a desktop
> and a laptop.  THEN about a year later I got around to my first in-depth XP
> experience when I bought a netbook.
>
> Barry N4MSJ
>

#763 From: Jerry Sullivan <jhsulliv@...>
Date: Thu May 26, 2011 12:52 am
Subject: Re: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
railroadman_...
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There are a number of legacy programs that just will not install on Win-7 or Vista, especially
the 64-bit versions.  This is because, while the programs will run fine, the installers are older 16-bit installers which the new operating systems do not support.  It is for this reason, that I keep an old and slow Win-XP machine in my hobby office at home, networked to my Win-7 machine.  I play with new routes in Microsoft TrainSimulator.

We developed a method for installing TrainSimulator and it works fine, though there are some hoops
to jump through.  HOwever, there are a half dozen ancillary programs that run on the XP, and will not
install, no way shape or form, on the Win-7, unless one is really brave and willing to tinker  in the Registry, which I am not.

However, I have UsaPhotomaps on my Win-7/64 machine and it does fine.  I used the installer with
the latest release and it is installed in C:\Program Files (x86) which is the default directory for many
older programs, i.e. those which can be installed, and quite a few new ones as well.

Jerry Sullivan

On 5/25/2011 8:38 PM, gps_greg wrote:
 

Barry-
Thanks, I did not know all that stuff.
Still didn't find it.
Guess I'll just start downloading it again.
Oh well.

Greg

--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, Barry Lankford <BarryL@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> As for the Vista situation, I think the location of the data may depend on
> whether the USAPhotoMaps directory and the rest of the installation (the
> executables, etc.) is installed in the Program Files directory. I haven't
> used the "Installer" version of USAPhotoMaps myself, and I when I got
> started with USAPM way back when (and later moved the whole thing to my new
> Vista desktop and laptop), I just extracted the whole directory/file
> structure from the old computer that at the time had an old version of
> Windows (98se, I think). Back then you put USAPM in any directory of your
> own choosing, without the help of any sort of automatic Installation. I
> haven't ever tried the install program for USAPM, so I don't know what it
> does. It's possible the current install procedure put the program in a
> directory it created in the Program Files directory, and Windows probably
> created a "shadowed" set of data directories in a hidden area called
> AppData. You can get into the AppData area without "unhiding" it by
> clicking the Start button on the Task Bar and typing 'appdata' in the
> 'Start Search' field (without the quotes). The results will show the
> directory, probably as the first (or maybe ONLY) item in the results list.
> It'll probably look something like this:
>
> C:\Users\<USERNAME>\AppData\...
>
> Where <USERNAME> would be the name of your personal home directory.
> There'll be maybe three subdirectories there, and you can open them and
> look for USAPhotoMaps... Just click on the search result to open the
> directory. From that point on in the appdata directory structure, nothing
> else is hidden, and you'll have full access to anything in there (you may
> have to be logged in as and administrator though - I can't recall for sure
> about that).
>
> Like I said, this all depends on where the executables, DLLs and such were
> put when you installed USAPM on the Vista machine, but I think there's a
> strong likelihood that's where you'll find the data.
>
> The whole point of all this in Vista, as far as I know, is to help protect
> critical areas of file storage, such as Program Files, from accidental
> damage by denying programs the ability to write to any directories in
> Program Files. Windows has set up this shadowed appdata area to
> transparently receive data written by programs while the program is unaware
> that the data has been diverted. Although I've never tried it, I think
> this also allows multiple users to have their own data areas for installed
> programs, so even old programs can be configured independently by each user
> without any changes to the old programs themselves. I've actually got a
> 15-year old version of CorelDraw running pretty well on my Vista computer,
> and an even older version of WordPerfect, but I had to force the
> installation procedure to put the installation in a directory outside of
> Program Files. That often works with really, really old software on Vista.
>
> Hope this all makes some kind of sense. Vista really isn't all that bad,
> it just requires a good bit of getting used to it. I had to really make a
> long leap when I went from a Win98SE desktop to two Vista PCs, a desktop
> and a laptop. THEN about a year later I got around to my first in-depth XP
> experience when I bought a netbook.
>
> Barry N4MSJ
>



#764 From: John Sperr <jsperr@...>
Date: Thu May 26, 2011 1:32 am
Subject: Re: Re: Moving Data To Another Computer
mriceyacht
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Here is what works for me with Windows 7, 64bit

Search for "USAPhotomaps.exe"
Right click and select "open containing folder"
Click on "Compatibility Files"
click on the data directory for the .dta and pointer files.

John Sperr
http://www.hriyc.org
PO BOX 573
Rhinebeck NY 12572-0573


On 5/25/2011 8:19 PM, gps_greg wrote:
>
> Had already done that; didn't help.
>
>

#765 From: "gnuarm" <gnuarm.2006@...>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2011 9:46 pm
Subject: Using Garmin Track Data from Files
gnuarm
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I have a Magellan Meridian from which USAPM only supports track files by using
the SD card to transfer the track file (according to the manual) and that seems
to work fine.  A dialog opens to select the file, it is read and another dialog
opens to save the file as a .CSV file.  The .CSV file can then be read as a
track.

I tried this with a file from a Garmin and it didn't seem to work, but then the
file is actually .KMZ file to use with Google Earth.  I read the help file
(which is actually pretty readable) and it says that for a Garmin to hold down
the CNTL key and USAPM will read from a GPS.dta file.  But I can't find any info
on what this file format is.  It seems this is a format that is written by USAPM
when it reads data from a Garmin GPS.

So I'm a bit confused.  Can I read a file from a friend's Garmin GPS without
having the GPS connected, but rather just having the file?  What format does it
need to be in that can be easily generated from the Garmin unit?  My friend is
happy to do what he needs at his end, but I'm not sure what to ask him to do.

#766 From: "Doug Cox" <jdmcox@...>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:07 pm
Subject: Using Garmin Track Data from Files
lupitacox
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Before asking him to do anything, read that GPS Help again (as if you're
preparing for a test on it), and then look at all the Menu items very carefully
(as if you're preparing for a test). Then email me again if you still can't
figure it out (and tell me in what format his Garmin track data is saved).

Doug Cox
_________________________________
You wrote (Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:46:43 -0000):

I have a Magellan Meridian from which USAPM only supports track files by using
the SD card to transfer the track file (according to the manual) and that seems
to work fine.  A dialog opens to select the file, it is read and another dialog
opens to save the file as a .CSV file.  The .CSV file can then be read as a
track.
I tried this with a file from a Garmin and it didn't seem to work, but then the
file is actually .KMZ file to use with Google Earth.  I read the help file
(which is actually pretty readable) and it says that for a Garmin to hold down
the CNTL key and USAPM will read from a GPS.dta file.  But I can't find any info
on what this file format is.  It seems this is a format that is written by USAPM
when it reads data from a Garmin GPS.

So I'm a bit confused.  Can I read a file from a friend's Garmin GPS without
having the GPS connected, but rather just having the file?  What format does it
need to be in that can be easily generated from the Garmin unit?  My friend is
happy to do what he needs at his end, but I'm not sure what to ask him to do.

_________________________________

#767 From: "gnuarm" <gnuarm.2006@...>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: Using Garmin Track Data from Files
gnuarm
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Hi Doug,

I read both help files and did some searching on the Internet.  If I were
studying for a test I would be asking questions of the instructor.

He sent me a .KMZ file which is for Google Earth it seems.  I guess that is what
he generated for himself.  As I said, he is happy to generate what ever file
format is required, but I don't know what to tell him.  The USAPM program seems
to be set up to read a file for a Magellan unit, but the only mention I can find
of reading a file for Garmin units is this .DTA file which is not a known format
that I can find.  What file format does USAPM expect to find in the .DTA file? 
Or if another format can be read, what format is that?

Regards,

Rick




--- In USAphotomaps@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Cox" <jdmcox@...> wrote:
>
>
> Before asking him to do anything, read that GPS Help again (as if you're
preparing for a test on it), and then look at all the Menu items very carefully
(as if you're preparing for a test). Then email me again if you still can't
figure it out (and tell me in what format his Garmin track data is saved).
>
> Doug Cox
> _________________________________
> You wrote (Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:46:43 -0000):
>
> I have a Magellan Meridian from which USAPM only supports track files by using
the SD card to transfer the track file (according to the manual) and that seems
to work fine.  A dialog opens to select the file, it is read and another dialog
opens to save the file as a .CSV file.  The .CSV file can then be read as a
track.
> I tried this with a file from a Garmin and it didn't seem to work, but then
the file is actually .KMZ file to use with Google Earth.  I read the help file
(which is actually pretty readable) and it says that for a Garmin to hold down
the CNTL key and USAPM will read from a GPS.dta file.  But I can't find any info
on what this file format is.  It seems this is a format that is written by USAPM
when it reads data from a Garmin GPS.
>
> So I'm a bit confused.  Can I read a file from a friend's Garmin GPS without
having the GPS connected, but rather just having the file?  What format does it
need to be in that can be easily generated from the Garmin unit?  My friend is
happy to do what he needs at his end, but I'm not sure what to ask him to do.
>
> _________________________________
>

#768 From: John Sperr <jsperr@...>
Date: Fri Jun 24, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: Using Garmin Track Data from Files
mriceyacht
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The *.dta files are generated internally by USAPhotoMaps as part of the
data capture and format conversion process as I understand it. You
really should not have to bother with them.

Garmin changed the data transfer format on its newer units such as the
Colorado and Nuvi and many software programs such as Manifold GIS and
USAPhotoMaps that interfaced perfectly with older Etrex units are now
"broken".

However, if you install the Garmin serial drivers, the files on the
newer GPS unit should be visible to you as an external storage drive.
Look for files names *.gpx on the unit and the memory card and transfer
them to your computer. You can then use the File -- Import dialog to
bring them in as "GPX Tracks" to USAPhotoMaps.


Another option -- DNRGarmin works with some of the newer Garmin units
and I assume Garmin's own BaseCamp program does as well -- you can
transfer the data from the GPS into one of those programs, save or
export it as a gpx file, and then import it to USAPhotoMaps.

Hope this helps.

John Sperr
http://www.hriyc.org
PO BOX 573
Rhinebeck NY 12572-0573


On 6/24/2011 5:46 PM, gnuarm wrote:
>
> I have a Magellan Meridian from which USAPM only supports track files
> by using the SD card to transfer the track file (according to the
> manual) and that seems to work fine. A dialog opens to select the
> file, it is read and another dialog opens to save the file as a .CSV
> file. The .CSV file can then be read as a track.
>
> I tried this with a file from a Garmin and it didn't seem to work, but
> then the file is actually .KMZ file to use with Google Earth. I read
> the help file (which is actually pretty readable) and it says that for
> a Garmin to hold down the CNTL key and USAPM will read from a GPS.dta
> file. But I can't find any info on what this file format is. It seems
> this is a format that is written by USAPM when it reads data from a
> Garmin GPS.
>
> So I'm a bit confused. Can I read a file from a friend's Garmin GPS
> without having the GPS connected, but rather just having the file?
> What format does it need to be in that can be easily generated from
> the Garmin unit? My friend is happy to do what he needs at his end,
> but I'm not sure what to ask him to do.
>
>

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