Bob,

The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW crashes,
the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)

There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/) which
might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are some
other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").

Andrew


Bob M Haworth wrote:
>
>
> Crashed file update.
>
> It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> files, they are;
>
> Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
>
> My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to
> finalize an abandoned capture session?
>
> Bob Haworth
>
> Carlin >>>
>
> "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or
> SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> Might look at VLC , if that is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> "
>
>

I presume you can't simply just recapture the beast from its original
source?



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
Haworth
Sent: November 12, 2009 11:20 AM
To: 'VTNT@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?






Crashed file update.

It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no success.
The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The file structure
that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5 files, they are;

Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi

My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header when the
recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this never happened.
Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to finalize an abandoned
capture session?

Bob Haworth

Carlin >>>

"This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing,
odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the
header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore
that, and just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that
is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think you want to talk to Chen Pan (Animlab in the NewTek VT forums ...)

> Crashed file update.

Crashed file update.

It's still DOA.  I have tried a number of programs and have had no success. The
VLC program did try to read the file and process it.  The file structure that
was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5 files, they are;

Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi

My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header when the
recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this never happened. 
Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to finalize an abandoned
capture session?

Bob Haworth


Carlin >>>

"This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing,
odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the
header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore
that, and just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that is
the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
"

One of my suppliers just sent me information on this recorder by JVC.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2009/cedia/bluray.html

Fred
Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
www.oldietv.com

This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing, odds
are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the header
isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore that, and
just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that is the case.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

VLC has some very cool features, one of which is the ability to stream a file to
a new file. Will take some mucking around, but if you can open the file and have
it write a new file, you'd be set. For something that is "priceless" its
probably worth taking some time to explore right?

On the same thread, the QuickTime player, if you have Pro version, can do about
the same thing. It could play or convert the file up to the part where it ends.

Hope that triggers something useful for you!
Carlin


--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bruce <nospam@...> wrote:
>
> Could it be that the .avi wasn't properly 'finalized' to allow it to
> play. I know this happens with the quicktime wrapper on occasion. I
> don't know if this program will work, but it might be worth a shot. The
> description seems to be what you might be looking for. I haven't used
> it, but I searched for "recover bad .avi" and found it.
>
> http://divxrepair.sourceforge.net/
>
> bruce
>
>
>
> richard16777216 wrote:
> > FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
> > http://www.easeus.com
> >
> > One challenge is with how to install such software if your
incorrectly-closed or corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as
the process of installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from
the earlier session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and
virtual-memory initialization process).
> >
> > I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I
haven't either) and thought to post what I've seen work.
> >
> > There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to
another storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to
recover too. Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the
recovery process quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders
(and names the files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).
> >
> > FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their
RAID, the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it
has been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.
> >
> >
> > --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
> >> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
> >>
> >> Jose Burgos
> >> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
> >>>
> >>> Bob H
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James Moore
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
> >>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >>>
> >>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> >>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline
and
> >>> select "re-do all operations"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
M
> >>> Haworth
> >>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> >>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my
VT
> >>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> >>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek
info
> >>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> >>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that
I
> >>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Haworth
> >>> Community of Christ
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks for the info Mark,

Not being able to set up a software RAID 0 is a big deal. In all that
I have read about the differences between Win 7 Home Premium and Pro,
I have never seen that as a difference. I realize it's probably not a
'consumer' issue so maybe that's why I have not seen it.

Can anyone confirm this? Can you create a software RAID 0 with Win 7
Home Premium? For that matter, can someone confirm you can make it
with Win 7 Pro?  I'm sure I can find a Win 7 forum someplace and ask
this, but I thought someone (Blaine? others?) might know already.

I'm glad to hear VT5 is running under Win 7, I really didn't want to
take the time to learn Premier Pro!


\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:24 AM, goodrichm <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> No need to install 5.2b patch. I went from original 5.0 to 5.2c to 5.2d
> when I installed Vista 64 Home Premium. VT5.2c installs QuickTime 7.5.5.
>
> Home premium won't let you set up a software RAID 0, at least in Vista 64,
> haven't gotten my copy of Win7 yet...
>

Could it be that the .avi wasn't properly 'finalized' to allow it to
play. I know this happens with the quicktime wrapper on occasion. I
don't know if this program will work, but it might be worth a shot. The
description seems to be what you might be looking for. I haven't used
it, but I searched for "recover bad .avi" and found it.

http://divxrepair.sourceforge.net/

bruce



richard16777216 wrote:
> FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
> http://www.easeus.com
>
> One challenge is with how to install such software if your incorrectly-closed
or corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as the process of
installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from the earlier
session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and virtual-memory
initialization process).
>
> I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I haven't
either) and thought to post what I've seen work.
>
> There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to another
storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to recover too.
Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the recovery process
quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders (and names the
files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).
>
> FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their
RAID, the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it
has been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.
>
>
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@...> wrote:
>
>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
>> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
>>
>> Jose Burgos
>> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
>>
>>> It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
>>>
>>> Bob H
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
>>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>>
>>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
>>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
>>> select "re-do all operations"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
>>> Haworth
>>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
>>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
>>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
>>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
>>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
>>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
>>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>>>
>>> Bob Haworth
>>> Community of Christ
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Community email addresses:
>>>   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>>   Subscribe:    VTNT-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>>   List owner:   VTNT-owner@yahoogroups.com
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNTYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
http://www.easeus.com

One challenge is with how to install such software if your incorrectly-closed or
corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as the process of
installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from the earlier
session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and virtual-memory
initialization process).

I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I haven't
either) and thought to post what I've seen work.

There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to another
storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to recover too.
Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the recovery process
quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders (and names the
files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).

FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their RAID,
the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it has
been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.


--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
>
> Jose Burgos
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
> >
> > It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
> >
> > Bob H
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
> > To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >
> > Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> > up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
> > select "re-do all operations"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
> > Haworth
> > Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> > To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
> > just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> > the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
> > folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> > seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
> > can use to fill in on the final edit.
> >
> > Bob Haworth
> > Community of Christ
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Community email addresses:
> >   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subscribe:    VTNT-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >   Unsubscribe:  VTNT-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >   Chat:         http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNT/chat
> >   List owner:   VTNT-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Shortcut URL to this page:
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNTYahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

Thinking of posting some CGI work on a footage site like Pond5. Here are two
samples I think may get some business;
http://www.burgosfx.com/movies/movies/Movie.html

Anyone sell footage and can give advise off line?

Thanks,
Jose Burgos

Dave,

No need to install 5.2b patch.  I went from original 5.0 to 5.2c to 5.2d
when I installed Vista 64 Home Premium.  VT5.2c installs QuickTime 7.5.5.

Home premium won't let you set up a software RAID 0, at least in Vista 64,
haven't gotten my copy of Win7 yet...

Take care...Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave
Doherty
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 PM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited



This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
- install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
the updates VT5 b, c and d
- do not try to start VT5 after each one
- no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
- since you said it was "not on".

I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
anyone?

About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
> First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to
start VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover
moved my files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer
Quicktime program and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't
continue the installation but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was
installed that it started up. Had to do with the Quicktime installer.
Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not XP mode)
> Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I
un-installed the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage
again and it re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
> Thanks again guys for your help.
> Wayne
>



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Howdy Bill -

While I was at the LA event I realized it had been 15 years, to the week, since
I first went out to Topeka to help Tim and the 'Traz folks put together the
first 'Toaster/Flyer DevCon' held in December of 1994 at (I think) the first
Toaster Expo in LA.  It was pretty cool to see Jim Plant (whom I knew even
before working for Newtek, when he was at HT Electronics in Sunnyvale); and
Donetta, Bob Anderson and Chris Richardson were all at Newtek when I first
worked with them.  We're going back 15 years.  A good group of people with some
of the best still at (or back at or now at) Newtek.  Scary how far back we all
go... :)  That DevCon brought in a lot of folks we know - Aussie, Dave Hebel,
and more who partly launched their current successes with Toaster and Flyer.

I didn't take pics during Don Ballance's demo presentation of the 3Play and
XD300 - I think I just got absorbed in the wizardry.  Newtek's come a *long* way
from when things looked bleak with the demise of Commodore earlier in '94 to the
remarkable accomplishments we saw at this road show.  Maybe they'll have a
DevCon for the XD300 :)

DW

--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bill Evans <lightwave@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Dan.  I went to the Nashville event tonight, and just
> got home after a 2 hour drive.  The 3 Play and the XD300 were both
> really impressive and the Mini-cooper is just cool.   Thanks to Don,
> Zane, Phillip, Phil and Rex (and anyone else I'm forgetting from Newtek)
> for putting on a great show.   Thanks to Marshall Graphics for
> sponsoring tonights event, haven't done business with you before, but I
> think I'll be changing that in the future, especially since you have a
> rep in town.  The overlay tricks and virtual inputs are just really
> impressive on the XD300, its definitely a big jump forward even
> disregarding the fact its doing HD now.    If you get a chance, go see a
> demo and see Newteks new baby, shipping next month according to the show
> tonight.
>      -Bill
>

If I hadn't used the PCmover program to move my programs before and after
installing Windows 7 then Quicktime (the latest version) would not have been
installed on a custom installation (which must be a clean intall over Win XP)
and the VT5 install probably would not have been a problem.  As I mentioned
before, using PCmover "automattically" re-installed about 30 programs (including
Photoshop 7 and Quicken2002) from Windows XP Pro into Windows 7 Pro with few
problems which was a hellava lot eaiser than re-installing them one by one. VT5
and Mirage were the only programs that were a problem and some of that was my
fault.
I had been having problems with XP shutting down programs with no explanation
and was  the compelling reason for updating to Win 7 Pro...plus I had
pre-ordered back in June for 1/2 price ($99). I'm the farthest thing from a
schill for Microsoft but Windows 7 is a lot smoother OS than any I've seen since
the Amiga.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Doherty
   To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:47 PM
   Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited



   This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
   if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
   - install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
   the updates VT5 b, c and d
   - do not try to start VT5 after each one
   - no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
   - since you said it was "not on".

   I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
   and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
   anyone?

   About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
   Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

   \Dave
   www.beacondigitalvideo.com

   On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi All
   > First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to start
VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover moved my
files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer Quicktime program
and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't continue the installation
but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was installed that it started up. Had
to do with the Quicktime installer. Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not
XP mode)
   > Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I un-installed
the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage again and it
re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
   > Thanks again guys for your help.
   > Wayne
   >




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Vt5d does work with the latest QuickTime. It is not installed by the
install. I always turn of the auto update feature of QuickTime so I don't
have any surprises.



   _____

From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Doherty
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:48 PM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited





This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
- install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
the updates VT5 b, c and d
- do not try to start VT5 after each one
- no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
- since you said it was "not on".

I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
anyone?

About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
> First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to
start VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover
moved my files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer
Quicktime program and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't
continue the installation but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was
installed that it started up. Had to do with the Quicktime installer.
Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not XP mode)
> Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I
un-installed the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage
again and it re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
> Thanks again guys for your help.
> Wayne
>





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About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

VT5.d installs the latest QT or will tell you it is already installed.

Thanks as well Wayne


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This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
- install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
the updates VT5 b, c and d
- do not try to start VT5 after each one
- no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
- since you said it was "not on".

I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
anyone?

About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?


\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
> First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to start
VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover moved my
files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer Quicktime program
and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't continue the installation
but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was installed that it started up. Had
to do with the Quicktime installer. Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not
XP mode)
> Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I un-installed
the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage again and it
re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
> Thanks again guys for your help.
> Wayne
>

Hi All
First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7.  It was finally a success.  I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d.  I had tried to
start VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems.  When PCmover moved
my files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer Quicktime
program and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't continue the
installation but continued anyway.  It wasn't until VT5d was installed that it
started up.  Had to do with the Quicktime installer.  Anyway...Up and running on
Windows 7. (not XP mode)
Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I un-installed the
Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage again and it
re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
Thanks again guys for your help.
Wayne


   From: Kilo
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:01 AM
   To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited



   Did you get VT and Mirage going in Win7 Wayne?

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http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/itdojo/?p=1221&tag=nl.e101

5 reasons why XP mode will encourage upgrades

FYI


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Win7 that will run virtual XP are Pro, Enterprise and Ultimate

The other poster was misinformed.


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Wayne, as Pete Draves reminded me, your PCI slot for VT is 5volts, yes?
Needed for SX I would suppose, I don't have one.

GoodLuck


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Just right click on that "continuous file" and select "expand sub-project"
and all the individual clips will be there.



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed
Wallick
Sent: November 10, 2009 10:09 AM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?





I'll add my very recent experience - I couldn't find my project that I
had spent HOURS on and was panicking because I also couldn't find the
many still pictures I was using which I would need to rebuild the
project. I called tech support and James suggested I try the fairly
recent _untitled_ project files to see if I could find the project. Of
course, you have to do the "re-do all operations" previously mentioned.

When that didn't work, Jame suggested opening the Undo_Redo_ Folder_
and DRAG the file onto the timeline. This actually worked but did not
give me the project as individual clips. Instead, it was one continuous
file (looked like it had been made into a sub-project file). Anyway, it
was better than a complete loss. It isn't easy to find the right
Undo_Redo Folder though.

Good luck - I know how frustrating this is!

Ed

joseburgos07747 wrote:
> Again, if in editing, I would add deleting the NewTek info folder before
going back into VT.
> If the crash was during a capture, then some have claimed to be able to
repair corrupt video files with external software but I have never had any
success :(
> I recently found this link but have no file (nor do I want a file) to test
it. A lot of video forums have always given the same answer "It can"t be
fixed and must be deleted". That said, there is always new bang wiz software
coming out the head of some smart people so you never know.
>
> Good Luck,
> Jose Burgos
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com> , "James
Moore" <jamesgroups@...> wrote:
>
>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing? If editing, when you start
>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline
and
>> select "re-do all operations"
>>
>>
>>
>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Bob M
>> Haworth
>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my
VT
>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek
info
>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots
that I
>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>>
>> Bob Haworth
>> Community of Christ
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------
>
>

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart

Then a user posted you can download VXP, virtual XP, for any version of Win
7.

fwiw


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http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.

Jose Burgos
--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@...> wrote:
>
> It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
>
> Bob H
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>
> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
> select "re-do all operations"
>
>
>
> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
> Haworth
> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>
>
>
>
>
> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>
> Bob Haworth
> Community of Christ
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.

Bob H

Where are you sending your Cache Folder?  Was the capture drive fragmented?
Was this with FWire or an SX8/84?  Did you do any Windows updates?  What
OS?  Sorry if this was stated already, I deleted a bunch of mail and can't
find your original post.

Windows updates is now adding NetFrameWorks3.x which would not let SEdit
open.  Used my restore point and all is well.

GoodLuck....Don't point cache to the capture drive/raid.


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I'll add my very recent experience - I couldn't find my project that I
had spent HOURS on and was panicking because I also couldn't find the
many still pictures I was using which I would need to rebuild the
project.  I called tech support and James suggested I try the fairly
recent _untitled_ project files to see if I could find the project.  Of
course, you have to do the "re-do all operations" previously mentioned.

When that didn't work, Jame suggested opening the Undo_Redo_ Folder_
and DRAG the file onto the timeline.  This actually worked but did not
give me the project as individual clips.  Instead, it was one continuous
file (looked like it had been made into a sub-project file).  Anyway, it
was better than a complete loss.  It isn't easy to find the right
Undo_Redo Folder though.

Good luck - I know how frustrating this is!

Ed

joseburgos07747 wrote:
> Again, if in editing, I would add deleting the NewTek info folder before going
back into VT.
> If the crash was during a capture, then some have claimed to be able to repair
corrupt video files with external software but I have never had any success :(
> I recently found this link but have no file (nor do I want a file) to test it.
A lot of video forums have always given the same answer "It can"t be fixed and
must be deleted". That said, there is always new bang wiz software coming out
the head of some smart people so you never know.
>
> Good Luck,
> Jose Burgos
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "James Moore" <jamesgroups@...> wrote:
>
>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
>> select "re-do all operations"
>>
>>
>>
>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
>> Haworth
>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>>
>> Bob Haworth
>> Community of Christ
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------
>
>



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It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.

Bob H

-----Original Message-----
From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?

Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
select "re-do all operations"



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
Haworth
Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?





So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
can use to fill in on the final edit.

Bob Haworth
Community of Christ

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Again, if in editing, I would add deleting the NewTek info folder before going
back into VT.
If the crash was during a capture, then some have claimed to be able to repair
corrupt video files with external software but I have never had any success :(
I recently found this link but have no file (nor do I want a file) to test it. A
lot of video forums have always given the same answer "It can"t be fixed and
must be deleted". That said, there is always new bang wiz software coming out
the head of some smart people so you never know.

Good Luck,
Jose Burgos
--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "James Moore" <jamesgroups@...> wrote:
>
> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
> select "re-do all operations"
>
>
>
> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
> Haworth
> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>
>
>
>
>
> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>
> Bob Haworth
> Community of Christ
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
select "re-do all operations"



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
Haworth
Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?





So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
can use to fill in on the final edit.

Bob Haworth
Community of Christ

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Did you get VT and Mirage going in Win7 Wayne?


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Thanks for sharing Dan.  I went to the Nashville event tonight, and just
got home after a 2 hour drive.  The 3 Play and the XD300 were both
really impressive and the Mini-cooper is just cool.   Thanks to Don,
Zane, Phillip, Phil and Rex (and anyone else I'm forgetting from Newtek)
for putting on a great show.   Thanks to Marshall Graphics for
sponsoring tonights event, haven't done business with you before, but I
think I'll be changing that in the future, especially since you have a
rep in town.  The overlay tricks and virtual inputs are just really
impressive on the XD300, its definitely a big jump forward even
disregarding the fact its doing HD now.    If you get a chance, go see a
demo and see Newteks new baby, shipping next month according to the show
tonight.
      -Bill