Are you using an SX-84? You will have to use the "PA Mix" as it is the only
output without any delay. All other audio outs will have delay.

--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, <bairk@...> wrote:
>
> I am feeding program from the VT5 through a wired PortaCom intercom system but
my talent is getting a delay so he is getting an unusable echo...is there
anything I can get that will eliminate this?
>
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> PBSO
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I am feeding program from the VT5 through a wired PortaCom intercom system but
my talent is getting a delay so he is getting an unusable echo...is there
anything I can get that will eliminate this?

Thanks,
Kevin
PBSO


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I just wasted 2 hours capturing two 40 min clips as RAW DV Video.



The first clip drops into the timeline fine. It shows audio waveform present
for the entire clip. However, actual audio is NOT present throughout the
entire clip. About 50% of the clip plays with no audio, even though the
waveform show audio activity.



The second clip's icon only gives me a "?" and does not drop into the
timeline. However double clicking on then icon it does play with video &
audio in a QT window.



I ask: why would 2 clips captured at the same time with no changes in
settings be so different? And the audio thing...... it's just unreliable.
Anybody experience this issue? Is there a magic setting to use for RAW DV?



While I await a response, I'll have to re-capture with RTV.



Ken Bennett

Award Winning Videography

Video Adventures

"Capturing Your Life's Adventures!"



800-416-3453

951-678-3867

www.video-adventures.com







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Yes, Contact the folks at Ustream.tv and ask about their Watershed Mobile
streaming Options.


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Is there a way to stream a live camera through a Tricaster to my Iphone?
Thanks,
Gary R.
www.sharpcut.com


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Ouch!!



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
Haworth
Sent: November 12, 2009 1:37 PM
To: 'VTNT@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?





The capture was a live organ recital with 7 cameras and 2 DDR playback files
as well as live to screen titles and credits. It's impossible to recapture.

I'm not sure about the cause of the abrupt shut-down but I am suspecting a
bad stick of memory. The drives are not full and I have not had this problem
before.

Bob

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[mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 AM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?

That's what I've been thinking, too. If it crashed during a capture, first
try to figure out why it crashed (full HD?) then just recapture it.

Regards,
Billy Horton

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>
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>I presume you can't simply just recapture the beast from its original
>source?

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Indexes and metadata ought to be more flexible. Afterall, WMV/ASF is also
indexed but you don't need to see the final chunk when you play such content out
of a media server.

Incidentally VLCplayer can open some truncated AVIs when other reader mechanisms
fail. One nice aspect of VLCplayer (other than the fact you may already have it
installed) is that it comes with a transcoder that might aid recovery
(especially if you are able to go to the same or more ideally a lower/no/null
compression codec). The commercial Neuview also claims to play stunted media
(forwards, backwards - transparently linking multiple files by bypassing
directshow and also providing what gives the impression of upscaling processing
technology. No transoder to repair for any subsequent use in Neuview though.
http://www.neuviewed.com

Necessity is the mother of invention. It is rather a pity that the big boys
(Microsoft et al) don't recognize that problems do happen and that a 16GB file
that can't be accessed is a frustration that ought not to be carried forward for
too many more generations of Windows' video subsystem etc.

Video information has many languages and dialects but really quite a constrained
vocabulary for the AV chitchat itself.



--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Cross <across@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
> written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW crashes,
> the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
> file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
> what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
> to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)
>
> There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
> index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/) which
> might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are some
> other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Bob M Haworth wrote:
> >
> >
> > Crashed file update.
> >
> > It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> > success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> > file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> > files, they are;
> >
> > Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> > Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> > Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> > Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> > VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
> >
> > My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> > when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> > never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to
> > finalize an abandoned capture session?
> >
> > Bob Haworth
> >
> > Carlin >>>
> >
> > "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> > writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or
> > SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> > programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> > Might look at VLC , if that is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> > <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> > "
> >
> >
>

Not sure if related, I recently did an edit with VT SpeedEdit with regular DV
avi clips and TriCaster MPEG studio clips. All went well but I saved as .avi to
use the video in Adobe Encore which also went well. The problem is Windows and
the avi wrapper file. When I change the Windows folder view from Tile to Thumb
Nail, the drive functions slows down to mud and then I get an error saying the
ffmpeg.dll caused the crash and my Windows desktop has to be re-applied through
desktop settings. After looking for the file that was causing the problem, I
found it to be the avi wrapper file.
Too much a coincidence that the avi wrapper was using an MPEG studio format
files in it with the ffmpeg.dll error not to be that combination but I am not
sure. I also am beta testing some software that could be messing with the avi
wrapper or another thing to consider.
Can anyone confirm that a TriCaster MPEG2 Studio capture profile file in an avi
wrapper file cause Windows thumb nails to crash?

Bob's issue is not the same and I hope I am not confusing his issue by adding to
the thread. Sorry if I am but I hope adding to the name name of the post helps.

PS I deleted the avi wrapper file now that the DVD is complete and since I still
have the regular SE project file, I can always make a new one if I need to re-do
the DVD via Encore (which I doubt very much).

Jose Burgos

--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Cross <across@...> wrote:
>
> The number of formats that are index-free are pretty limited. Basically
> all of the MPEG formats are (including MPEG2, AVC/HD, HDV, H.264,
> etc...) raw DV is (.dvsd files), some mxf formats are but not all (frame
> wrapped ones most likely are, file wrapped ones most likely are not) ...
> and last but not least : RTV is :)
>
> joseburgos07747 wrote:
> >
> > Oh wow I learned something new. I could never repair one but now I
> > know it is avi and not MPEG. Good to know. What about mov files?
> >
> > Jose Burgos
> > --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com>, Andrew
> > Cross <across@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Bob,
> > >
> > > The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
> > > written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW
> > crashes,
> > > the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
> > > file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
> > > what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
> > > to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)
> > >
> > > There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
> > > index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/
> > <http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/>) which
> > > might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are
> > some
> > > other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob M Haworth wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Crashed file update.
> > > >
> > > > It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> > > > success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> > > > file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> > > > files, they are;
> > > >
> > > > Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> > > > Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> > > > Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> > > > Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> > > > VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
> > > >
> > > > My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> > > > when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> > > > never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a
> > way to
> > > > finalize an abandoned capture session?
> > > >
> > > > Bob Haworth
> > > >
> > > > Carlin >>>
> > > >
> > > > "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> > > > writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in
> > VT or
> > > > SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> > > > programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> > > > Might look at VLC , if that is the case.
> > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> > > > <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>>
> > > > "
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

The number of formats that are index-free are pretty limited. Basically
all of the MPEG formats are (including MPEG2, AVC/HD, HDV, H.264,
etc...) raw DV is (.dvsd files), some mxf formats are but not all (frame
wrapped ones most likely are, file wrapped ones most likely are not) ...
and last but not least : RTV is :)

joseburgos07747 wrote:
>
> Oh wow I learned something new. I could never repair one but now I
> know it is avi and not MPEG. Good to know. What about mov files?
>
> Jose Burgos
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com <mailto:VTNT%40yahoogroups.com>, Andrew
> Cross <across@...> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
> > written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW
> crashes,
> > the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
> > file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
> > what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
> > to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)
> >
> > There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
> > index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/
> <http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/>) which
> > might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are
> some
> > other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > Bob M Haworth wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Crashed file update.
> > >
> > > It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> > > success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> > > file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> > > files, they are;
> > >
> > > Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> > > Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> > > Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> > > Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> > > VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
> > >
> > > My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> > > when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> > > never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a
> way to
> > > finalize an abandoned capture session?
> > >
> > > Bob Haworth
> > >
> > > Carlin >>>
> > >
> > > "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> > > writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in
> VT or
> > > SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> > > programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> > > Might look at VLC , if that is the case.
> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> > > <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>>
> > > "
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

You can come and visit us if you want.

Bobt wrote:
>
> I have no one to visit in the south.
> I have a couple of people to the east and a couple in the west.
>
> Bob
>
> At 01:24 PM 11/12/2009, Dennis Wiener wrote:
> >
> >
> >South would be warmer
> >
> >Bobt wrote:
> > > I need to get out and about for a couple of days. I have to decide
> > > which directions to travel
> > > in to show off my latest HD toys. I can go east toward New York.
> Or West.
> > > I am truly undecided. I guess West might be warmer.
> > >
> > > Any opinions?
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I have no one to visit in the south.
I have a couple of people to the east and a couple in the west.

Bob

At 01:24 PM 11/12/2009, Dennis Wiener wrote:
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>South would be warmer
>
>Bobt wrote:
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> > which directions to travel
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> > I am truly undecided. I guess West might be warmer.
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South would be warmer

Bobt wrote:
> I need to get out and about for a couple of days.  I have to decide
> which directions to travel
> in to show off my latest HD toys. I can go east toward New York. Or West.
> I am truly undecided. I guess West might be warmer.
>
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I need to get out and about for a couple of days.  I have to decide
which directions to travel
in to show off my latest HD toys. I can go east toward New York. Or West.
I am truly undecided. I guess West might be warmer.

Any opinions?

I never pulled the trigger on the Drobo Pro because it needs to be connected to
a computer before it can be shared. Now I could just connect it to my main
workstation but that does not solve all my problems. This is why I have held
off. Right now I have an old Sony VIo with folder sharing mapped as a drive on a
few of my system.
Without going into a very long winded post about working from home and always
looking for a server solution that would work for both home and work use, I have
been a deer in the headlights about the whole thing and only opted to use the
Sony as a file share system.
I even received the Windows Home Server 120 day trial DVD but have not tried it
out because nowhere can I find how much it will cost me after the 120 days are
up. HP Media Server gets high reviews but a new player is Acer Media Server.
Small footprint and works with the same Windows Home Server software. It can do
10MBPS over a one gig lan and that at least would be pretty damn good for file
sharing of project files.

Anyway, two or more years later with me and setting up a server or better put,
not setting up a server, a lot has changed. I am down to my daughter Amber home
every other weekend and the entire summer. The other three all have places (that
I pay for of course man will I be saving a lot of money in the up coming years),
my need for a home media server is just not the same. I think all I need is a
file server that plays well with Windows and Mac OSX. The Acer unit would do a
lot more for me than my simple file share Sony VIO can and is something I am
seriously considering mainly for the four hot swap drive bays and one touch USB
backup.

Jose Burgos

--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "richard16777216" <richard16777216@...> wrote:
> FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their
RAID, the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it
has been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.
>

The capture was a live organ recital with 7 cameras and 2 DDR playback files as
well as live to screen titles and credits.  It's impossible to recapture.

I'm not sure about the cause of the abrupt shut-down but I am suspecting a bad
stick of memory.  The drives are not full and I have not had this problem
before.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Billy
Horton
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 AM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?

That's what I've been thinking, too. If it crashed during a capture, first try
to figure out why it crashed (full HD?) then just recapture it.

Regards,
Billy Horton


----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "James Moore" <jamesgroups@...>
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Received: 11/12/2009 10:30:08 AM
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?


>I presume you can't simply just recapture the beast from its original
>source?


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Oh wow I learned something new. I could never repair one but now I know it is
avi and not MPEG. Good to know. What about mov files?

Jose Burgos
--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Cross <across@...> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
> written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW crashes,
> the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
> file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
> what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
> to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)
>
> There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
> index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/) which
> might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are some
> other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").
>
> Andrew
>
>
> Bob M Haworth wrote:
> >
> >
> > Crashed file update.
> >
> > It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> > success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> > file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> > files, they are;
> >
> > Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> > Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> > Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> > Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> > VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
> >
> > My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> > when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> > never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to
> > finalize an abandoned capture session?
> >
> > Bob Haworth
> >
> > Carlin >>>
> >
> > "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> > writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or
> > SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> > programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> > Might look at VLC , if that is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> > <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> > "
> >
> >
>

That's what I've been thinking, too. If it crashed during a capture, first try
to figure out why it crashed (full HD?) then just recapture it.

Regards,
Billy Horton


----- Original message ----------------------------------------
From: "James Moore" <jamesgroups@...>
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Received: 11/12/2009 10:30:08 AM
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?


>I presume you can't simply just recapture the beast from its original
>source?

Bob,

The way AVI files are written is (annoyingly) that the file "index" is
written write at the end of the file. This means that if the SW crashes,
the computer loses power, etc... that the index is not written into the
file and it is not possible to do anything with the file at all. (For
what it is worth, this is one of the reasons we have increasingly moved
to MPEG which does not have the same problems.)

There are some applications out there that can try to rebuild a file
index. A good one is DIVFIX++ (http://divfixpp.sourceforge.net/) which
might or might not work depending on what codec you used. There are some
other similar tools out there (do a search for "avi repair").

Andrew


Bob M Haworth wrote:
>
>
> Crashed file update.
>
> It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no
> success. The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The
> file structure that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5
> files, they are;
>
> Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
> Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
> Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
> Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
> VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi
>
> My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header
> when the recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this
> never happened. Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to
> finalize an abandoned capture session?
>
> Bob Haworth
>
> Carlin >>>
>
> "This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while
> writing, odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or
> SE cause the header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some
> programs would ignore that, and just play the file until it runs out.
> Might look at VLC , if that is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> <http://www.videolan.org/vlc/>
> "
>
>

I presume you can't simply just recapture the beast from its original
source?



From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
Haworth
Sent: November 12, 2009 11:20 AM
To: 'VTNT@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [VTNT] Re: VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?






Crashed file update.

It's still DOA. I have tried a number of programs and have had no success.
The VLC program did try to read the file and process it. The file structure
that was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5 files, they are;

Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi

My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header when the
recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this never happened.
Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to finalize an abandoned
capture session?

Bob Haworth

Carlin >>>

"This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing,
odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the
header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore
that, and just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that
is the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
"





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think you want to talk to Chen Pan (Animlab in the NewTek VT forums ...)

> Crashed file update.

Crashed file update.

It's still DOA.  I have tried a number of programs and have had no success. The
VLC program did try to read the file and process it.  The file structure that
was in the Newtek INFO folder consisted of 5 files, they are;

Organ 50th.avi.FormatContextCache
Organ 50th.avi.NewTekInfo
Organ 50th.avi.TimeCode
Organ 50th.avi.WindowsMediaDesc
VT Temp File [498098128,0].avi

My guess is that these files are combined into the avi file header when the
recording is manually stopped but with an abrupt crash this never happened. 
Does any one on the list or at NewTek know of a way to finalize an abandoned
capture session?

Bob Haworth


Carlin >>>

"This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing,
odds are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the
header isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore
that, and just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that is
the case. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
"

One of my suppliers just sent me information on this recorder by JVC.

http://pro.jvc.com/pro/pr/2009/cedia/bluray.html

Fred
Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
www.oldietv.com

This was something I was curious about too... if you crashed while writing, odds
are the whole file is there, just can't open it in VT or SE cause the header
isn't correct, the file didn't get closed. Some programs would ignore that, and
just play the file until it runs out. Might look at VLC , if that is the case.
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

VLC has some very cool features, one of which is the ability to stream a file to
a new file. Will take some mucking around, but if you can open the file and have
it write a new file, you'd be set. For something that is "priceless" its
probably worth taking some time to explore right?

On the same thread, the QuickTime player, if you have Pro version, can do about
the same thing. It could play or convert the file up to the part where it ends.

Hope that triggers something useful for you!
Carlin


--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bruce <nospam@...> wrote:
>
> Could it be that the .avi wasn't properly 'finalized' to allow it to
> play. I know this happens with the quicktime wrapper on occasion. I
> don't know if this program will work, but it might be worth a shot. The
> description seems to be what you might be looking for. I haven't used
> it, but I searched for "recover bad .avi" and found it.
>
> http://divxrepair.sourceforge.net/
>
> bruce
>
>
>
> richard16777216 wrote:
> > FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
> > http://www.easeus.com
> >
> > One challenge is with how to install such software if your
incorrectly-closed or corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as
the process of installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from
the earlier session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and
virtual-memory initialization process).
> >
> > I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I
haven't either) and thought to post what I've seen work.
> >
> > There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to
another storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to
recover too. Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the
recovery process quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders
(and names the files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).
> >
> > FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their
RAID, the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it
has been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.
> >
> >
> > --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
> >> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
> >>
> >> Jose Burgos
> >> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
> >>>
> >>> Bob H
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
James Moore
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
> >>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >>>
> >>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> >>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline
and
> >>> select "re-do all operations"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob
M
> >>> Haworth
> >>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> >>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my
VT
> >>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> >>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek
info
> >>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> >>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that
I
> >>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Haworth
> >>> Community of Christ
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Community email addresses:
> >>>   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
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> >>>
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks for the info Mark,

Not being able to set up a software RAID 0 is a big deal. In all that
I have read about the differences between Win 7 Home Premium and Pro,
I have never seen that as a difference. I realize it's probably not a
'consumer' issue so maybe that's why I have not seen it.

Can anyone confirm this? Can you create a software RAID 0 with Win 7
Home Premium? For that matter, can someone confirm you can make it
with Win 7 Pro?  I'm sure I can find a Win 7 forum someplace and ask
this, but I thought someone (Blaine? others?) might know already.

I'm glad to hear VT5 is running under Win 7, I really didn't want to
take the time to learn Premier Pro!


\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com



On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 8:24 AM, goodrichm <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> No need to install 5.2b patch. I went from original 5.0 to 5.2c to 5.2d
> when I installed Vista 64 Home Premium. VT5.2c installs QuickTime 7.5.5.
>
> Home premium won't let you set up a software RAID 0, at least in Vista 64,
> haven't gotten my copy of Win7 yet...
>

Could it be that the .avi wasn't properly 'finalized' to allow it to
play. I know this happens with the quicktime wrapper on occasion. I
don't know if this program will work, but it might be worth a shot. The
description seems to be what you might be looking for. I haven't used
it, but I searched for "recover bad .avi" and found it.

http://divxrepair.sourceforge.net/

bruce



richard16777216 wrote:
> FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
> http://www.easeus.com
>
> One challenge is with how to install such software if your incorrectly-closed
or corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as the process of
installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from the earlier
session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and virtual-memory
initialization process).
>
> I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I haven't
either) and thought to post what I've seen work.
>
> There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to another
storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to recover too.
Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the recovery process
quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders (and names the
files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).
>
> FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their
RAID, the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it
has been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.
>
>
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@...> wrote:
>
>> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
>> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
>>
>> Jose Burgos
>> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
>>
>>> It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
>>>
>>> Bob H
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
>>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>>
>>> Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
>>> up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
>>> select "re-do all operations"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
>>> Haworth
>>> Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
>>> To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
>>> just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
>>> the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
>>> folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
>>> seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
>>> can use to fill in on the final edit.
>>>
>>> Bob Haworth
>>> Community of Christ
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Community email addresses:
>>>   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>>>   Subscribe:    VTNT-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>>>   Unsubscribe:  VTNT-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>>   List owner:   VTNT-owner@yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>> Shortcut URL to this page:
>>>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNTYahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    VTNT-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNTYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

FWiW - I've seen wonders performed with Data Recovery Wizard Professional:
http://www.easeus.com

One challenge is with how to install such software if your incorrectly-closed or
corrupted session is on your %systemroot% boot drive as the process of
installing the software can re-use the sought-after blocks from the earlier
session (as can the whole reboot/system-event-logging and virtual-memory
initialization process).

I saw José's post and note that he'd not used the SnapFiles product (I haven't
either) and thought to post what I've seen work.

There is a mode to recover in-place and a safer mode to recover off to another
storage volume. You also get to see what you'll likely be able to recover too.
Plus, when the directory structure cannot be determined the recovery process
quite nicely places all types of media into appropriate folders (and names the
files so they'll never clash with earlier recovered items).

FYI, for those needing no more than about 80MB/sec performance from their RAID,
the iSCSI-GigEth DroboPro seems to be getting a little cheaper now that it has
been out a while. I've heard nothing bad about it (when the price/cost is a
significant factor for the solution). I think it was José that brought that to
our attention only a few months back.


--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, "joseburgos07747" <joseburgos@...> wrote:
>
> http://www.snapfiles.com/get/aarwrepair.html
> Remember, I have never used it but when you are where you are, I would try
anything.
>
> Jose Burgos
> --- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bob M Haworth <bhaworth@> wrote:
> >
> > It crashed during capture.  Jose, you forgot the link that you spoke of.
> >
> > Bob H
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James
Moore
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:38 AM
> > To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >
> > Did it crash while rendering or while editing?  If editing, when you start
> > up the VT again right click in the grey area at the top of the timeline and
> > select "re-do all operations"
> >
> >
> >
> > From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob M
> > Haworth
> > Sent: November 9, 2009 10:03 PM
> > To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [VTNT] VT crashed, How do I recover the avi file?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So I'm about an hour into a 50th anniversary organ recital concert and my VT
> > just goes away, I mean a really hard shut down. Is there a way to recover
> > the avi file? I see the file and the other support files in the NewTek info
> > folder but none of the programs that I have used before to recover files
> > seem to work. If I can recover the main file I have various CYB shots that I
> > can use to fill in on the final edit.
> >
> > Bob Haworth
> > Community of Christ
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Community email addresses:
> >   Post message: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subscribe:    VTNT-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >   Unsubscribe:  VTNT-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >   Chat:         http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNT/chat
> >   List owner:   VTNT-owner@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Shortcut URL to this page:
> >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VTNTYahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

Thinking of posting some CGI work on a footage site like Pond5. Here are two
samples I think may get some business;
http://www.burgosfx.com/movies/movies/Movie.html

Anyone sell footage and can give advise off line?

Thanks,
Jose Burgos

Dave,

No need to install 5.2b patch.  I went from original 5.0 to 5.2c to 5.2d
when I installed Vista 64 Home Premium.  VT5.2c installs QuickTime 7.5.5.

Home premium won't let you set up a software RAID 0, at least in Vista 64,
haven't gotten my copy of Win7 yet...

Take care...Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: VTNT@yahoogroups.com [mailto:VTNT@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dave
Doherty
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 PM
To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited



This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
- install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
the updates VT5 b, c and d
- do not try to start VT5 after each one
- no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
- since you said it was "not on".

I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
anyone?

About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

\Dave
www.beacondigitalvideo.com

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All
> First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to
start VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover
moved my files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer
Quicktime program and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't
continue the installation but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was
installed that it started up. Had to do with the Quicktime installer.
Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not XP mode)
> Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I
un-installed the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage
again and it re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
> Thanks again guys for your help.
> Wayne
>



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Howdy Bill -

While I was at the LA event I realized it had been 15 years, to the week, since
I first went out to Topeka to help Tim and the 'Traz folks put together the
first 'Toaster/Flyer DevCon' held in December of 1994 at (I think) the first
Toaster Expo in LA.  It was pretty cool to see Jim Plant (whom I knew even
before working for Newtek, when he was at HT Electronics in Sunnyvale); and
Donetta, Bob Anderson and Chris Richardson were all at Newtek when I first
worked with them.  We're going back 15 years.  A good group of people with some
of the best still at (or back at or now at) Newtek.  Scary how far back we all
go... :)  That DevCon brought in a lot of folks we know - Aussie, Dave Hebel,
and more who partly launched their current successes with Toaster and Flyer.

I didn't take pics during Don Ballance's demo presentation of the 3Play and
XD300 - I think I just got absorbed in the wizardry.  Newtek's come a *long* way
from when things looked bleak with the demise of Commodore earlier in '94 to the
remarkable accomplishments we saw at this road show.  Maybe they'll have a
DevCon for the XD300 :)

DW

--- In VTNT@yahoogroups.com, Bill Evans <lightwave@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Dan.  I went to the Nashville event tonight, and just
> got home after a 2 hour drive.  The 3 Play and the XD300 were both
> really impressive and the Mini-cooper is just cool.   Thanks to Don,
> Zane, Phillip, Phil and Rex (and anyone else I'm forgetting from Newtek)
> for putting on a great show.   Thanks to Marshall Graphics for
> sponsoring tonights event, haven't done business with you before, but I
> think I'll be changing that in the future, especially since you have a
> rep in town.  The overlay tricks and virtual inputs are just really
> impressive on the XD300, its definitely a big jump forward even
> disregarding the fact its doing HD now.    If you get a chance, go see a
> demo and see Newteks new baby, shipping next month according to the show
> tonight.
>      -Bill
>

If I hadn't used the PCmover program to move my programs before and after
installing Windows 7 then Quicktime (the latest version) would not have been
installed on a custom installation (which must be a clean intall over Win XP)
and the VT5 install probably would not have been a problem.  As I mentioned
before, using PCmover "automattically" re-installed about 30 programs (including
Photoshop 7 and Quicken2002) from Windows XP Pro into Windows 7 Pro with few
problems which was a hellava lot eaiser than re-installing them one by one. VT5
and Mirage were the only programs that were a problem and some of that was my
fault.
I had been having problems with XP shutting down programs with no explanation
and was  the compelling reason for updating to Win 7 Pro...plus I had
pre-ordered back in June for 1/2 price ($99). I'm the farthest thing from a
schill for Microsoft but Windows 7 is a lot smoother OS than any I've seen since
the Amiga.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Doherty
   To: VTNT@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:47 PM
   Subject: Re: [VTNT] Re: Windows 7 Re-visited



   This is very good news - thanks for the information. Just to clarify,
   if I was installing on a newly formatted disk, I would:
   - install VT5 from disk (User Account turned off) and then, in order,
   the updates VT5 b, c and d
   - do not try to start VT5 after each one
   - no need to be in XP mode (I assume you are using Win 7 pro however?
   - since you said it was "not on".

   I can't think of anything else that is different between Home Premium
   and Pro that would prevent this working on Home Premium as well ---
   anyone?

   About Quicktime - does VT5d work with the latest Quicktime? And goes
   Quicktime need to be installed before VT5 SW?

   \Dave
   www.beacondigitalvideo.com

   On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Wayne Albright <> wrote:
   >
   >
   >
   > Hi All
   > First,,,Thanks to all for your help and suggestions on installing VT5 and
Windows 7. It was finally a success. I installed VT5 from disk (User Account
turned off) and then, in order, the updates VT5 b, c and d. I had tried to start
VT5 after each update and that was one of my problems. When PCmover moved my
files during installation of Windows 7 it also moved the newer Quicktime program
and VT5 wanted to see the older one and said couldn't continue the installation
but continued anyway. It wasn't until VT5d was installed that it started up. Had
to do with the Quicktime installer. Anyway...Up and running on Windows 7. (not
XP mode)
   > Mirage apparently had some problem seeing the dongle so after I un-installed
the Sentinel program (for the dongle) I re-installed Mirage again and it
re-installed the Sentinel program and I'm up and running also.
   > Thanks again guys for your help.
   > Wayne
   >




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