Do you mean the vertical VU meters that open up when you load the program?
If so, mine are also gray while caputuring. There are skinny little
horizontal meters that work when the "capture" window is opened.
cork
On 21-Oct-99, you wrote:
> From: "Sy Witt" <sy@...>
>
> The audio meter on the capture screen of SpeedRazor has never done
> anything, meaning it stays gray all the time. Is it supposed to?
> Everything else works fine and I have all my levels matched so it's no
> real problem but I wondered if it did anything on any one elses machine.
> My output meters work fine.
>
> Sy Witt
> Sly Wit Productions/RamonaRose Studio
>
> > Community email addresses:
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>
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Not meaning to insult, but you do have the audio checkbox in the Capture
window turned on don't you? Is audio going through to your VTNT audio
monitoring speakers?
--
*******************************************************
~ Scott Bates ~ SB Enterprises ~ sbates@...
*******************************************************
Sy Witt wrote:
>
> The audio meter on the capture screen of SpeedRazor has never done anything,
> meaning it stays gray all the time.
The meters work on mine Sy. I haven't gotten into it far enough yet to
know why they would or wouldn't work, they just do.
Scott
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~ Scott Bates ~ SB Enterprises ~ sbates@...
*******************************************************
Sy Witt wrote:
>
> The audio meter on the capture screen of SpeedRazor has never done anything,
> meaning it stays gray all the time.
Rick Bernards wrote:
>
> From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>
> > >
> >
> > remember this is going to MPEG2, which is a EXTREMELY
> > compressed format (about 1/20 to 1/10 of the VTNT data
> > rate). I *sincerely* doubt the input matters squat between
> > Y/C and YUV. Optibase is also widely used in the
> > professional broadcast industry - i am skeptical that you
> > can even measure any difference between Y/C-to-MPEG2 and
> > YUV-to-MPEG2.
> >
> > I also do not know the reputation or quality and customer
> > satisfaction with MPegator, but I do know about Amber.
> > Also, Darim has a *software* MPEG2 codec you can use which
> > is *very* cheap (I own it and did my original MPEG2
> > experiments with it, not fast, but it works). I even used
> > that software MPEG2 codec with Lightwave on my PC. No
> > problemo.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > DW
> > --
>
> Dan,
> I *sincerely* agree with you about the quality difference between
> Y/C and YUV going to MPEG2. But clients perception is different.
> They hear component and think quailty. Even if it is only *perceived*
> quality. I have not ruled out Amber. In fact if I decide that component
> is not that important, Amber will be the board I buy. But back to the
> original post, to use the Darim software solution would I need to
> convert to AVI first? What is the name of the software? How fast is *not
> fast*?
> I didn't even think about LW. I will try that as well. Thanks for your
> input!
> If I decide on Amber I will give you a call.
>
> Rick
>
I hope you'll educate your clients if they're going into
MPEG2.
Anyway, contact Darim for the best info on their software.
I render direct from LW to MPEG2 when I need, with no
intermediate conversion.
Speed depends on your system, perhaps 10X real-time or so on
my 400MHz P2, but that again depends on many factors.
DW
--
Daniel Wolf
http://www.vidyo.com
The audio meter on the capture screen of SpeedRazor has never done anything,
meaning it stays gray all the time. Is it supposed to? Everything else
works fine and I have all my levels matched so it's no real problem but I
wondered if it did anything on any one elses machine. My output meters work
fine.
Sy Witt
Sly Wit Productions/RamonaRose Studio
> >
>
> remember this is going to MPEG2, which is a EXTREMELY
> compressed format (about 1/20 to 1/10 of the VTNT data
> rate). I *sincerely* doubt the input matters squat between
> Y/C and YUV. Optibase is also widely used in the
> professional broadcast industry - i am skeptical that you
> can even measure any difference between Y/C-to-MPEG2 and
> YUV-to-MPEG2.
>
> I also do not know the reputation or quality and customer
> satisfaction with MPegator, but I do know about Amber.
> Also, Darim has a *software* MPEG2 codec you can use which
> is *very* cheap (I own it and did my original MPEG2
> experiments with it, not fast, but it works). I even used
> that software MPEG2 codec with Lightwave on my PC. No
> problemo.
>
> Good luck!
>
> DW
> --
Dan,
I *sincerely* agree with you about the quality difference between
Y/C and YUV going to MPEG2. But clients perception is different.
They hear component and think quailty. Even if it is only *perceived*
quality. I have not ruled out Amber. In fact if I decide that component
is not that important, Amber will be the board I buy. But back to the
original post, to use the Darim software solution would I need to
convert to AVI first? What is the name of the software? How fast is *not
fast*?
I didn't even think about LW. I will try that as well. Thanks for your
input!
If I decide on Amber I will give you a call.
Rick
Rick Bernards wrote:
>
> From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>
>
> Dan,
> I have been doing alot of homework about MPEG2. I was
> just curious to see the best way to do it via software. I
> have been evaluating Amber. It does not have component
> input. Some of the high priced boards i.e. Zapex, Optibase
> and Vitec only have composite and S-Video too.
> That was a big gripe about the Flyer. The price is
> attractive. But I don't want to fall into the same scenario
> again where clients want (demand) component. The Darim
> MPEGator2 has component and balanced audio. It is priced
> under $4000.00 with authoring software. Imagine telling clients
> uncompressed component editing and then straight to MPEG2.
> BIG selling point! I will be doing DVD by years end one way
> or the other.
>
remember this is going to MPEG2, which is a EXTREMELY
compressed format (about 1/20 to 1/10 of the VTNT data
rate). I *sincerely* doubt the input matters squat between
Y/C and YUV. Optibase is also widely used in the
professional broadcast industry - i am skeptical that you
can even measure any difference between Y/C-to-MPEG2 and
YUV-to-MPEG2.
I also do not know the reputation or quality and customer
satisfaction with MPegator, but I do know about Amber.
Also, Darim has a *software* MPEG2 codec you can use which
is *very* cheap (I own it and did my original MPEG2
experiments with it, not fast, but it works). I even used
that software MPEG2 codec with Lightwave on my PC. No
problemo.
Good luck!
DW
--
Daniel Wolf
http://www.vidyo.com
>
> Rick, play the video out of VTNT in to the Canopus Amber
> MPEG2 realtime capture/playback card. We offer Amber in
> several configurations, including with DVD authoring
> software bundled.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.megagem.com/canopus.html
>
> DW
Dan,
I have been doing alot of homework about MPEG2. I was
just curious to see the best way to do it via software. I
have been evaluating Amber. It does not have component
input. Some of the high priced boards i.e. Zapex, Optibase
and Vitec only have composite and S-Video too.
That was a big gripe about the Flyer. The price is
attractive. But I don't want to fall into the same scenario
again where clients want (demand) component. The Darim
MPEGator2 has component and balanced audio. It is priced
under $4000.00 with authoring software. Imagine telling clients
uncompressed component editing and then straight to MPEG2.
BIG selling point! I will be doing DVD by years end one way
or the other.
Rick
Dan,
I might be interested in the Canopus Amber MPEG2 capture card.
What kind of "deal" can you offer?
Don
At 05:50 PM 10/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>From: dwolf <megagem@...>
>
>Rick Bernards wrote:
>>
>> From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>>
>> What would be the best way to produce MPEG2 files
>> after editing the video in the VTNT? Would you need
>> to encode to AVI first? Or is there some magic software
>> that will take the uncompressed RTV files and do a conversion?
>> If not, any of you programmers out there able to pull it off?
>> If this could be done in the VTNT environment it would
>> create an even more powerful box. MPEG2 is here!
>>
>
>Rick, play the video out of VTNT in to the Canopus Amber
>MPEG2 realtime capture/playback card. We offer Amber in
>several configurations, including with DVD authoring
>software bundled.
>
>See:
>
>http://www.megagem.com/canopus.html
>
>DW
>--
>Daniel Wolf
>http://www.vidyo.com
>
>>Community email addresses:
> Post message: VTNT@onelist.com
> Subscribe: VTNT-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe: VTNT-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner: VTNT-owner@onelist.com
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/VTNT
>
Don Nelson
==================
Visionaerie Productions, Hillsborough NC
If you install from CD, the size can be just about anything.
Pre SP5 (SP4?) had a serious problem if the kernal or
drivers got loaded or moved above 8GB, though. This
had to do with the boot loader (which is BIOS level,
not Driver level) not being able see large disk sizes. From
what I understand, they fixed this on either SP4 or SP5.
(I have SP5, but my partition is 8GB as I don't want to
find out if the recovery disk can deal with 8+G sizes!)
If you have an existing 2G partition (NTFS) you would
like to expand, using Partition Magic can work wonders.
-Kirk (kmorger@...)
----- Original Message -----
From: cork <corky@...>
To: <VTNT@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 1999 3:23 PM
Subject: [VTNT] Re: Nt install help
> From: cork <corky@...>
>
> I've only been able to install the NT OS onto a 2GB parition. NTFS will
see
> and format other partitions larger than that, but the boot partition seems
> to want nothing larger than 2GB.
>
> cork
>
>
> >
> >> I'm looking for any tricks for installing windows NT 4.0.
> >> Are the drive size limitations? will i have a problem
> >> installing over a Win98 install or can i create a dual
> >> install?
> >
> > I would recommend that you wipe your system clean before you install
> > Windows NT. I've always had the best results from a fresh installation.
> >
> > If you have a hard drive larger than 4GIG: You can't create a partition
> > larger than 4GIG during installation - which means you either have a
4GIG
> > system partition and the remainder of your drive is left for data. Or,
if
> > you have access to an existing Windows NT machine, you can format the
hard
> > drive completely as one huge partition using NTFS. Then take that drive
> > over to the original machine and install Windows NT from there - I
> > installed NT on a 20GIG hard drive that way.
>
> <tsb>***
> <sb>CORBAS
> <sb>www.corbas.com
> <tsb>ICQ#20825835
> <tsb>digital video desktop
>
> > Community email addresses:
> Post message: VTNT@onelist.com
> Subscribe: VTNT-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe: VTNT-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner: VTNT-owner@onelist.com
>
> Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/VTNT
>
Rick Bernards wrote:
>
> From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>
> What would be the best way to produce MPEG2 files
> after editing the video in the VTNT? Would you need
> to encode to AVI first? Or is there some magic software
> that will take the uncompressed RTV files and do a conversion?
> If not, any of you programmers out there able to pull it off?
> If this could be done in the VTNT environment it would
> create an even more powerful box. MPEG2 is here!
>
Rick, play the video out of VTNT in to the Canopus Amber
MPEG2 realtime capture/playback card. We offer Amber in
several configurations, including with DVD authoring
software bundled.
See:
http://www.megagem.com/canopus.html
DW
--
Daniel Wolf
http://www.vidyo.com
What would be the best way to produce MPEG2 files
after editing the video in the VTNT? Would you need
to encode to AVI first? Or is there some magic software
that will take the uncompressed RTV files and do a conversion?
If not, any of you programmers out there able to pull it off?
If this could be done in the VTNT environment it would
create an even more powerful box. MPEG2 is here!
Rick
I've only been able to install the NT OS onto a 2GB parition. NTFS will see
and format other partitions larger than that, but the boot partition seems
to want nothing larger than 2GB.
cork
>
>> I'm looking for any tricks for installing windows NT 4.0.
>> Are the drive size limitations? will i have a problem
>> installing over a Win98 install or can i create a dual
>> install?
>
> I would recommend that you wipe your system clean before you install
> Windows NT. I've always had the best results from a fresh installation.
>
> If you have a hard drive larger than 4GIG: You can't create a partition
> larger than 4GIG during installation - which means you either have a 4GIG
> system partition and the remainder of your drive is left for data. Or, if
> you have access to an existing Windows NT machine, you can format the hard
> drive completely as one huge partition using NTFS. Then take that drive
> over to the original machine and install Windows NT from there - I
> installed NT on a 20GIG hard drive that way.
<tsb>***
<sb>CORBAS
<sb>www.corbas.com
<tsb>ICQ#20825835
<tsb>digital video desktop
I wanted to make a correction about my last message:
I wrote:
> Now, we also carry Medea RT arrays but they only hold about 59 minutes of
video.
Medea RT arrays are available in a variety of sizes including (but not limited
to) a 60 minute and 120 minute version. Because they use a SCSI U2W controller
in your machine, you can chain unit after unit to go beyond the 120 minute mark.
<http://www.sharbor.com/vendors/MED.html>
Compression sucks - the uncompressed video editing revolution is here:
<http://www.videotoasternt.com>
------------------
Jeffrey D. Hoffman
Safe Harbor Computers 800-544-6599 http://www.sharbor.com
** NEW! 30-DAY MONEY BACK GUARANTEE ON ALL PINNACLE PRODUCTS!! **
++ Save up to 75% on digital video, 3D, and graphics products. ++
> I have the Adaptec 2940U2W controller. Now I need to
> purchase the hard drives. Cheetahs, Barracudas and
> Quantums - Oh my!
Hey Rick!
Go with the Barracudas for two reasons. 1) Performance and 2) Expandability.
As Jim has already indicated, put a couple of these in your machine and you'll
get performance that peaks around 38-44MB/sec. Two of these drives will store
about 75 minutes of uncompressed video.
If you need more video, it's no hassle - just add two more drives and you'll
have more than 2.5 hours of video capacity at more than 70MB/sec sustained.
We've seen performance dip as low as 56MB/sec.
<http://www.sharbor.com/products/SEAN5150026.html>
If you go with the Barracudas, be sure to put dedicated fans on each drive to
prevent temperature problems. Put one on each drive and you'll never experience
over-heated drives.
<http://www.sharbor.com/products/INCN5120001.html>
Now, we also carry Medea RT arrays but they only hold about 59 minutes of video.
If you need more, you need to chain another RT array on to the first - it's a
little more expensive in the long run but you get the reliable performance
(55MB/sec) through the whole drive.
Don't forget about an audio hard drive - you can use an IDE drive but make sure
that you have DMA turned on in Windows NT. This Maxtor 10GIG is what we use on
our turnkey systems and it really performs!
<http://www.sharbor.com/products/GLEI5140002.html>
Rick, don't forget, if you have any questions during installation I'd be happy
to stop over and give you a hand! (I still owe you one for your help evaluating
the DC1000!!)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey D. Hoffman http://www.sharbor.com
Safe Harbor Computers
W226 N900 Eastmound Dr. Call us: 800-544-6599
Waukesha, WI 53186 Fax: 414-548-8130
"Save up to 75% on digital video, 3D, and graphics products."
> I'm looking for any tricks for installing windows NT 4.0.
> Are the drive size limitations? will i have a problem
> installing over a Win98 install or can i create a dual
> install?
I would recommend that you wipe your system clean before you install Windows NT.
I've always had the best results from a fresh installation.
If you have a hard drive larger than 4GIG:
You can't create a partition larger than 4GIG during installation - which means
you either have a 4GIG system partition and the remainder of your drive is left
for data. Or, if you have access to an existing Windows NT machine, you can
format the hard drive completely as one huge partition using NTFS. Then take
that drive over to the original machine and install Windows NT from there - I
installed NT on a 20GIG hard drive that way.
NT installs BEST if you have a bootable CD-ROM. I believe that most stand-alone
(non OEM) NT CD-ROMs boot by themselves. Make sure your BIOS is set to check
the CD-ROM as a boot device. If you don't boot from the CD-ROM I have sometimes
seen hold-overs from the previous OS installation.
Avoid installing unnecessary components - ie. avoid networking, accessibility
options (unless necessary), communications, games, windows messaging, etc. The
less you install, the less possibility that a component or service will get in
your way of a functioning system.
We've been installing Windows NT for years - I run it all all three of my
personal systems and all of Safe Harbor runs off of networked NT boxes. If you
need more help, we'll be glad to be of service!
-------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey D. Hoffman http://www.sharbor.com
Safe Harbor Computers
W226 N900 Eastmound Dr. Call us: 800-544-6599
Waukesha, WI 53186 Fax: 414-548-8130
"Save up to 75% on digital video, 3D, and graphics products."
From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
Hi all,
Lets see if this new list has any answers. I FINALLY
got my computer system for VTNT. I have the Adaptec
2940U2W controller. Now I need to purchase the hard drives.
Cheetahs, Barracudas and Quantums. Which drives should
I buy? Why? Where? Is there any advantage to the RAID
systems like Medea?
Rick, surely you know the answer :) Clearly your friendly
VTNT dealers are the right folks to contact for drives, of
course. MegageM/Vidyo.com have specialized in SCSI
solutions of all flavors and varieties since way back in
1991 - for Amiga, Flyer, and now PC and VTNT. What?
Barracudas, Cheetahs, and Medea products as well. Why?
Because of nearly 10 years experience with SCSI systems,
good service, and competitive prices.
Just give a call and we'll go over your storage requirements
and some options that'll suit your needs.
DW
--
Daniel Wolf
http://www.vidyo.com
805 349 1104, CA time zone
One last note:
MEDIA is offering a Rebate on the VIdeoRaid when you purchase it from DVS
DIrect with the NT Toaster
Goto to our Website at http://www.dvsdirect.com/toasternt.htm for more
details.
The rebate applies to both system purchases or if you just order the NT
Toaster.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Davis <jed@...>
To: VTNT@onelist.com <VTNT@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [VTNT] VTNT hard drives
>I have used the 50 GB Baracudda Drives with good results. You do want to
>optimize them for A/V. 2 in a striped set work greataround 44m/sec. The
>Medea Video Raid are also good. The advantage of the Medea drive is that
the
>preformance dose not drop off as you work toward the inner part of the
>drive platter. They make 2 versions the SCSI rated at 36 M/sec and the RT
>rated at 55M/sec . AS to where to get We handle both :)
>
>Jim Davis
>DVS DIrect
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Bernards <fourlake@...>
>To: VTNT@onelist.com <VTNT@onelist.com>
>Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:08 PM
>Subject: [VTNT] VTNT hard drives
>
>
>>From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>Lets see if this new list has any answers. I FINALLY
>>got my computer system for VTNT. I have the Adaptec
>>2940U2W controller. Now I need to purchase the hard drives.
>>Cheetahs, Barracudas and Quantums. Which drives should
>>I buy? Why? Where? Is there any advantage to the RAID
>>systems like Medea?
>>
>>Rick (hard drivin' man) Bernards
>>
>>>>Community email addresses:
>> Post message: VTNT@onelist.com
>> Subscribe: VTNT-subscribe@onelist.com
>> Unsubscribe: VTNT-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>> List owner: VTNT-owner@onelist.com
>>
>>Shortcut URL to this page:
>> http://www.onelist.com/community/VTNT
>>
>
I have used the 50 GB Baracudda Drives with good results. You do want to
optimize them for A/V. 2 in a striped set work greataround 44m/sec. The
Medea Video Raid are also good. The advantage of the Medea drive is that the
preformance dose not drop off as you work toward the inner part of the
drive platter. They make 2 versions the SCSI rated at 36 M/sec and the RT
rated at 55M/sec . AS to where to get We handle both :)
Jim Davis
DVS DIrect
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Bernards <fourlake@...>
To: VTNT@onelist.com <VTNT@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 19, 1999 11:08 PM
Subject: [VTNT] VTNT hard drives
>From: "Rick Bernards" <fourlake@...>
>
>Hi all,
>Lets see if this new list has any answers. I FINALLY
>got my computer system for VTNT. I have the Adaptec
>2940U2W controller. Now I need to purchase the hard drives.
>Cheetahs, Barracudas and Quantums. Which drives should
>I buy? Why? Where? Is there any advantage to the RAID
>systems like Medea?
>
>Rick (hard drivin' man) Bernards
>
>>Community email addresses:
> Post message: VTNT@onelist.com
> Subscribe: VTNT-subscribe@onelist.com
> Unsubscribe: VTNT-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> List owner: VTNT-owner@onelist.com
>
>Shortcut URL to this page:
> http://www.onelist.com/community/VTNT
>
Hi all,
Lets see if this new list has any answers. I FINALLY
got my computer system for VTNT. I have the Adaptec
2940U2W controller. Now I need to purchase the hard drives.
Cheetahs, Barracudas and Quantums. Which drives should
I buy? Why? Where? Is there any advantage to the RAID
systems like Medea?
Rick (hard drivin' man) Bernards
If you're one of the many Video Toaster NT owners who are looking for the
s-video to BNC adapter for your system, Don Nelson sent out this advice that is
worth forwarding to everyone here:
Markertek has the cable for $16.95 each.
P/N is SV4-2B-6
1-800-522-2025
Works great! Enjoy!
-------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey D. Hoffman http://www.sharbor.com
Safe Harbor Computers
W226 N900 Eastmound Dr. Call us: 800-544-6599
Waukesha, WI 53186 Fax: 414-548-8130
"Save up to 75% on digital video, 3D, and graphics products."
Hi ALL,
Just to let you all know that we are supporting this list also. Great to see
a VTNT specific one.
Our monthly Flyer user group is incorporating VTNT now, but that's because
most of my Flyer owners have VTNT's.
Just a reminder, that we have a VTNT demo day in Fishkill, New York Oct
26th. Newtek is providing a free Calibar to a lucky attendee and Ralph is
doing the presentations.
We will also be showing the new, powerful PowerCG. The special sale is on
through Oct. 31st, but I'm trying to get them to extend it to 11/10 so our
11/3 VTNT/Flyer user group meeting get see it before they buy.
Congratulations on the new list -
Hank
Video Toaster NT is now shipping! Do you have your order in?
Check out the details on our web site - www.videology.org
Hank/Cynthia - Videology, where you get P.O.M.P. under all circumstances.
Great! Thank you again Paul.
Scott
Sy Witt wrote:
>
> I'm happy to announce that Paul, who has masterfully done the so with VTFML,
> has been kind enough to agree to keep an eye on this site for us.
I'm happy to announce that Paul, who has masterfully done the so with VTFML,
has been kind enough to agree to keep an eye on this site for us.
Sy Witt
Sly Wit Productions/RamonaRose Studio
test
Video Toaster NT is now shipping! Do you have your order in?
Check out the details on our web site - www.videology.org
Hank/Cynthia - Videology, where you get P.O.M.P. under all circumstances.
I found this on rec.video.desktop thought some of you might be interested-
Jim Davis
DVS Direct
----Original Message-----
From: Jeff McOmie <Jeff@...>
Newsgroups: rec.video.desktop
Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 11:53 AM
Subject: Titling Plugin for Video Toaster NT
>In order to introduce Video Toaster NT users to Power CG, Cayman Graphics
>is offering the Power CG Plus (the top of the line) for Speed Razor for
>only $295. This software is regularly $695 (that’s less than half price!).
>This price even includes the new Text FX animation software.
>
>Although only the Speed Razor version of the software is available at this
>price, this software will work with all versions of Speed Razor.
>
>You can learn more about Power CG Plus for Speed Razor at
>"http://www.CaymanGraphics.com/pcg_plus.htm". You can even download a
>fully functional evaluation copy of the software.
>
>This offer expires October 31, 1999. Purchase orders will not be
>accepted. Prepaid orders only.
>
>Power CG is available for:
>Fast, Video Machine
>in-sync, Speed Razor
>Adobe, Premiere (version 4.2, 5.0, & 5.1)
>Ulead, MediaStudio
>Standalone (for VGA and other display cards)
>Video Action (Comming soon)
>
>"http://www.CaymanGraphics.com"
>
>