SFABC EVENT  TUESDAY OCTOBER 16TH 2007 AT 8 PM AND OTHER EVENTS
10/16/07.....Tuesday....Topic Group:  Series Interruptus.
........................Borders Books, 8:00 PM.
........................Wayne, New Jersey.

Science Fiction Association of Bergen County, New Jersey (SFABC)
event

This is a reminder to attend the Topic Discussion Group on  TUESDAY
OCTOBER 16TH 2007 AT 8 PM  The event is held at 8:00 PM in the café
of Borders Books in the Wayne Town Center Mall, junction of Routes
23 and 46, Wayne , New Jersey .



The evening's topic is Series Interruptus
Possible examples include Philip Jose Farmer's series
such as  RIVERWORLD, THE WORLDS OF TIERS, DAYWORLD,etc. Pohl
Anderson's THE TIME PATROL, Larry Niven's Kzin series, Roger
Zelazny's Amber series, among others.


The group usually meets before the event for dinner at Jose Tejas on
Route 46 west in Fairfield, New Jersey at 6:30 PM.  If you plan to
attend the dinner please contact Phil first.

Time:   8:00 pm - 10:00 pm
Location:   in the cafe of Borders Books in the Wayne Town Center
Mall
Street:   80 Wayne Town Center Route 23 South
City State Zip:   Wayne, New Jersey 07470
Phone:   The phone number for the store is (973) 785-0037
Notes:   SFABC EVENT TUESDAY AUGUST 21ST 2007 at 8 PM
The SFABC Science Fiction Association of Bergen
County, New Jersey

http://www.sfabc.org

The SFABC Science Fiction Association of Bergen
County, New Jersey

http://www.sfabc. org

will host yet another of the wonderful SFABC topic discussion group
events TUESDAY OCTOBER 16TH 2007 AT 8 PM in the cafe of Borders
Books in
the Wayne Town Center Mall, junction of
Routes 23 and 46, Wayne , New Jersey .

80 Wayne Town Center Route 23 South
Wayne, New Jersey 07470

http://www.borderss tores.com/ stores/store_ pg.jsp?storeID= 479.
The phone number for the store is (973) 785-0037
Phil and some others usually meet before the event
for dinner at Jose Tejas on Route 46 west in Fairfield, New Jersey
at
6:30 PM. phone number of the restaurant is
(973) 808-8201
location of the restaurant is
647 US Highway 46 West
Fairfield, NJ 07004

You are invited to join them. If you do plan to join them, please
CALL PHIL AT 201 447-3652 FOR DETAILS
http://www.sfabc. org
contact Phil at SFABCPhil@gmail. com

SFABCPhil@gmail. com
SFABCPhil AT gmail.com


Please forward this sign up information to
everyone who should get it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_FICTION_FANS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_FICTION_FANS/
This club is for everyone 21 or older.
Are you a single sci-fi fan looking for a soulmate.
Feel free to post your introduction, and something about what your
ideal soulmate should be like at the group as frequently as you
wish.  Please also post what got you interested in sci-fi, who your
favorite author(s) are, whether you are also a sci-fi writer, and
other sci-fi related thoughts you might have about books, movies,
tv,
the net, meetings,parties, or any other sci-fi related things you
might want to post about. Are you willing to host a sci-fi house
party? What should our club be doing?
Please post your thoughts? Please post your ideas.
Please also be sure to join SFABC
THE SCIENCE FICTION ASSOCIATION OF BERGEN COUNTY, NEW JERSEY

Contact Phil at 201 447-3652 SFABCPhil@...
SFABCPhil AT gmail.com
http://www.sfabc.org for details.



Jewish Singles And Other Events
Jewish Singles lunch at Veggie Heaven Chinese Vegetarian Vegan
Restaurant
At Veggie Heaven Chinese Vegetarian Vegan Restaurant
in Parsippany, New Jersey at NOON on Sunday October 21st, 2007 c.e.
1119 Route 46 East #8A Parsippany, New
Jersey, in a shopping center which has plenty of parking and is near
Route 80.

There is never any charge for any of our events. When we go to
a restaurant you pay the restaurant directly for your meal plus tax
and tip.
You never pay us.

Lunches at Veggie Heaven Chinese Vegetarian Vegan Restaurant
in Parsippany, New Jersey usually run under six dollars before tax
and tip.
They include soup or appetizer plus entree. Lunches are available
there
every day of the week including weekends on the luncheon part of the
menu
except for holidays such as the Fourth or July etc. Sundays are not
considered to be holidays.

You are invited to this event in this special series of Jewish
Singles lunches
and dinners in New Jersey We would like to invite you to this event
in this
series of upcoming Jewish Singles lunches and dinners in New Jersey
for
Jewish Single Men born between April 12th, 1945 and January 20th,
1953
and Jewish Single Women born between January 20th, 1953 and January
20th, 1961

Are you A Jewish Single Man born between April 12th, 1945 and January
20th, 1953?

If so you were born during the Presidential Administration of Harry
S.
Truman.
You are a Jewish Single Truman Man


Are you A Jewish Single Woman born between January 20th, 1953 and
January 20th, 1961?

If so you were born during the Presidential Administration of Dwight
David Eisenhower.
You are a Jewish Single Eisenhower Woman.

If you are a Jewish Single Truman Man or a Jewish Single Eisenhower
Woman we would like to invite you to a series of upcoming Jewish
Singles
lunches and dinners in New Jersey for Jewish Single Men born between
April 12th, 1945 and January 20th, 1953 and Jewish Single Women born
between January 20th, 1953 and January 20th, 1961.

When we go to restaurants you pay only for what you order
plus tax and tip. You never pay us anything. You pay the restaurant
directly. You do not have to be a member
of any of our Yahoo Groups to attend any of our events. If you do
join our Yahoo Groups
there is no charge to join them and no charge to belong to them.


You are invited to this event in this series of upcoming Jewish
Singles
lunches and dinners in New Jersey for Jewish Single Men born between
April 12th, 1945 and January 20th, 1953 and Jewish Single Women born
between January 20th, 1953 and January 20th, 1961

At Veggie Heaven Chinese Vegetarian Vegan Restaurant
in Parsippany, New Jersey at NOON on Sunday October 21st, 2007 c.e
Veggie Heaven is a 100% non-smoking restaurant, is moderately
priced,has brown rice, does not use MSG or animal products, is Kosher
and totally vegetarian, has plenty of free parking and is easy to
reach from
nearby highways.

You do not need a reservation to
attend. Just show up. Most lunches, which include entree, and your
choice of brown rice or white rice , and soup, are priced UNDER $6
before tax and tip, except on Holidays, such as the 4th or July,
Labor Day, Memorial Day, etc. when lunch menus are unavailable, the
lunch menus ARE available EVERY day, including Sunday, unless Sunday
falls on a Holiday, such as the 4th of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day,
etc. when the regular menu, which is also very economical, is
available. If turnout is large people are invited to sit
with whoever they feel comfortable sitting with, and to table hop if
they wish.


Here are the directions to Veggie Heaven It is a Vegan Chinese
Totally Vegetarian Kosher Restaurant. The restaurant is located in
Parsippany, New
Jersey at 1119 Route 46 East #8A Parsippany, New
Jersey, in a shopping center which has plenty of parking and is near
Route 80.


The telephone numbers of the restaurant are 973 335-9876 and 973 263-
8331 the
zip code, if you are using Mapquest, is 07054.


From the West (I-80)Take I-80 East and exit at the Lake
Hiawatha/Whippany exit.
Make a left at the light at the exit go past the entrance ramp which
would put
you back onto Route 80 going west and make a left turn into the
shopping center.


From the South (I-287) Take I-287 North to the exit for I-80
eastbound
From the North (I-287) Take I-287 South to the exit for I-80
eastbound
Look for the signs for the Lake Hiawatha/Whippany Exit. Make a left
at the light
at the exit go past the entrance ramp which would put you back onto
Route 80 going west and make a left turn into the shopping center.


FROM THE GARDEN STATE PARKWAY TAKE EXIT 145 TO
ROUTE 280 WEST THEN
Take the NEW RD exit- exit number 1. 0.15 miles Keep RIGHT at the
fork in the
ramp. 0.07 miles Stay straight to go onto NEW RD. 0.63 miles Turn
LEFT onto US-46 West.
DRIVING WEST ON ROUTE 46 Continue for two traffic lights (second
light is Parsippany-Troy Hills Shopping
Center)which is at the INTERSECTION of Route 46 and Beverwyck Road
AT
WHICH YOU COULD TURN RIGHT TOWARDS LAKE
HIAWATHA, INSTEAD OF TURNING
RIGHT HOWEVER TURN LEFT AT THAT INTERSECTION
ONTO SOUTH BEVERWYCK
ROAD,THEN TURN RIGHT INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER
ITSELF WHICH IS BEFORE
THE WEST BOUND RAMP TO ANOTHER HIGHWAY DO NOT
TURN RIGHT INTO THE
BANK BUT TURN RIGHT BEYOND THE BANK AND INTO THE
SHOPPING CENTER,
VEGGIE HEAVEN IS NEAR THE HEALTH FOOD STORE AND IS
IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH HAS PLENTY OF PARKING IF
YOU GET LOST CALL
THE RESTAURANT FOR DIRECTIONS IF YOU ARRIVE EARLY
YOU MAY WISH TO DO SOME SHOPPING AT THE PATHMARK
SUPERMARKET WHICH
IS IN THE
SAME SHOPPING CENTER.

From Route 80 Westbound get off at Exit 47 which will take you onto
Route 46 Westbound
and proceed to the Parsippany-Troy Hills Shopping
Center) which is at the INTERSECTION of Route 46 and Beverwyck Road
AT WHICH YOU COULD TURN RIGHT TOWARDS LAKE
HIAWATHA, INSTEAD OF
TURNING
RIGHT HOWEVER TURN LEFT AT THAT INTERSECTION
ONTO SOUTH BEVERWYCK
ROAD,THEN TURN RIGHT INTO THE SHOPPING CENTER
ITSELF WHICH IS BEFORE
THE WEST BOUND RAMP TO ANOTHER HIGHWAY DO NOT
TURN RIGHT INTO THE
BANK BUT TURN RIGHT BEYOND THE BANK AND INTO THE
SHOPPING CENTER,
VEGGIE HEAVEN IS NEAR THE HEALTH FOOD STORE AND IS
IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH HAS PLENTY OF PARKING IF
YOU GET LOST CALL
THE RESTAURANT FOR DIRECTIONS


The telephone numbers of the restaurant are 973 335-9876 and 973 263-
8331 the zip code, if you are using Mapquest, is 07054. The
restaurant is a non-smoking
restaurant and moderately priced. The restaurant states that it does
not use MSG and does not use any animal products at all. It is
certified Kosher
by United Kosher Supervision P.O. Box 317 Monsey, NY
10952 Phone: (845) 352-1010 Fax: (845) 352-0316
Rabbinic Administrator: Rabbi Yaakov Spivak

Although you do not have to be a member of our Jewish Singles Yahoo
Groups to attend
our events we do hope that you will join them. You may post your
introductions to them whenever you wish. When you post your
introductions and when you respond to other introductions please
state that
you are Jewish, single and over 21. Feel free also to give your
approximate
age if you wish in your posts and your responses to other posts.


Please state that you are Jewish, Single, 21 or over, when you apply
to join the Jewish Singles Yahoo Groups at the websites the urls
below will take you to


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesOfNJ/


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesinNJforIsrael/


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesFromEverywhere/



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesOfNJ/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesinNJforIsrael/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesFromEverywhere/


invite you to join us at Veggie Heaven, Kosher, Chinese, Totally
Vegetarian (Vegan) Restaurant in Parsippany, New Jersey You are
invited to join us at Veggie Heaven at NOON on Sunday October 21st,
2007 c.e.

You DO NOT need a reservation to attend. Simply show up.

Please join us for this relaxed, informal social get together.
Veggie Heaven is a 100% non-smoking restaurant,
is moderately priced,has brown rice, does not use MSG or
animal products, is Kosher and totally vegetarian, has plenty of
free parking and is easy to reach from nearby highways.

Do you have a Jewish single friend that you have not yet met in
person and may have been in touch with via email or telephone or
otherwise Why not invite that Jewish single friend to meet you at
one of the many Jewish singles events listed in our posts

Be sure to send your photo to your Jewish single friend, and to ask
your Jewish single friend to send a photo to you.

That way you can recognize one another when you meet at a Jewish
singles event.

Please state that you are Jewish, Single, 21 or over, when you apply
to join the Jewish Singles Yahoo Groups at the websites the urls
below will take you to


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesOfNJ/


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesinNJforIsrael/


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesFromEverywhere/

A free fantastic Jewish singles resource
can be found at the url below



http://www.thejewishpeople.org/
You may post your own introductions there, with our without photos
of yourself and may also search for other Jewish singles there
by state, gender, age range, etc.

Everything there is free.

We have no connections whatsoever to the site,
but if you do post your photo there you may wish to
include the url where your photo may be found at that
site, in your introductions, and responses to other introductions,
that you post at our Yahoo Jewish singles groups.

The Jewish Singles Events immediately below are from the website of
The
Jewish Standard
http://www.jstandard.com/categories/Singles/
items directly below are from url directly above
By Jewish Standard | | Singles |




sunday [oct. 14]
Apple picking Singles in their 20s and 30s from the JCC in Manhattan
meet there to go apple picking in the Hudson Valley, 9 a.m. $33 for
members, $36 for non-members, includes bus. (646) 505-5708 or visit
www.jccmanhattan.org



Singles cruise Jewish singles, 25-55, from area JCCs, meet at 11
a.m. at Lincoln Harbor, 1500 Harbor Blvd. in Weehawken, for a two-
hour lunch cruise on Spirit Cruises around Manhattan. The cruise
includes lunch and entertainment. $60. Lisa, (908) 725-6994, ext.
206.


Bike ride Singles, 35-55, from the JCC on the Palisades in Tenafly
and Cong. Gesher Shalom in Fort Lee meet at the Oradell train
station, corner of Oradell and Maple avenues, for a leisurely-paced
ride, 9:30 a.m. Bring helmets and water. (201) 569-7900 or (201) 947-
1735.



monday [oct. 15]
Feature film Jewish Singles on the Palisades, 50+, meet at the
Kaplen JCC on the Palisades to see "Walk on Water." A singles
reception starts at 7 p.m., the film begins at 7:30. Harold Chapler
introduces the film and leads a discussion afterward. $4 for JCC
members, $6 for non-members. (201) 569-7900.



wednesday [oct. 17]
Bus trip The Yachad chapter of Jewish Women International, a group
for widowed, divorced, or single women that meets in Fort Lee, takes
a trip to Ellis Island via ferry with lunch at the Turkish
restaurant Toro. $60. Information, (201) 358-4724.



thursday [oct. 18]
Widows and widowers meet A support group for widows and widowers
facilitated by a social worker from Jewish Family Services meets at
the Glen Rock Jewish Center, 11:45 a.m. (201) 652-6624.



friday [oct. 19]
Shabbat in Fort Lee Jewish Singles of All Ages from the JCC on the
Palisades in Tenafly and Cong. Gesher Shalom/JCC of Fort Lee meet
for Shabbat Yachad musical, egalitarian services at Cong. Gesher
Shalom in Fort Lee, 8 p.m. An oneg Shabbat follows. (201) 569-7900,
ext. 460, or (201) 947-1735, ext. 12.



saturday [oct. 20]
Comedy in Tenafly Comedians Johnny Lampert, Karen Bergreen, and
Brian Kiley perform at the Kaplen JCC on the Palisades in Tenafly
for Jewish Singles of All Ages, 8 p.m. $25 with payment by Oct. 18,
$30 at the door, includes reception. (201) 569-7900, ext. 435.
Sing-along Singles in their 20s and 30s have a Moulin Rouge-sing-
along at the JCC in Manhattan, 8:30 p. m. Light refreshments. $10
for members, $12 for non-members, includes drinks. (646) 505-5708 or
visit www.jccmanhattan.org




sunday [oct. 21]
Schmooze Singles, 40-59, schmooze with each other and talk with
Elaine and Jeff at the Kaplen JCC on the Palisades in Tenafly, 6
p.m. $4 for JCC members, $6 for non-members. (201) 569-7900, ext.
460.



monday [oct. 22]
Support for widows/widowers Therapist Judy Brauner begins a seven-
session group, "You Are Not Alone: Widows and Widowers," through
Dec. 3 at the Kaplen JCC on the Palisades in Tenafly, 6:30 p.m. $105
for JCC members, $130 for non-members. Sponsored in part by the
Soforenko Foundation. (201) 569-7900, ext. 460.



Support group for Orthodox divorced moms A support group for
Orthodox divorced mothers to share ideas and resources meets with
social worker Debbie Fox at Jewish Family Service in Teaneck, 7:30
p.m. Free. 1485 Teaneck Road. Laura, (201) 837-9090 or e-mail
thelivingroom@...



Support for singles Therapist Judy Brauner begins a seven-session
group, "Coping With Divorce and Separation," at the Kaplen JCC on
the Palisades in Tenafly, 8:15 p.m. $105 for JCC members, $130 for
non-members. Sponsored in part by the Soforenko Foundation. (201)
569-7900, ext. 460.



wednesday [oct. 24]
Jewish and single discussion The JCC in Manhattan hosts a discussion
group, "Jewish and Single in New York" for singles, 39+, 7 p.m.
Free. Also Dec. 19. (646) 505-5708 or visit www.jccmanhattan.org



thursday [oct. 25]
Latin party foods Singles in their 20s and 30s meet for a Gourmet
Latin Party Foods cooking event at the JCC in Manhattan, 7 p.m. $60
for members, $65 for non-members, includes drinks. (646) 505-5708 or
visit www.jccmanhattan.org



friday [oct. 26]
Shabbat in Manhattan Singles in their 20s meet for Shabbat dinner
and stand-up comedy at the JCC in Manhattan, 7 p.m. $25 for members,
$28 for non-members. Vegetarian meal requests by Oct. 24. (646) 505-
5708 or visit www.jccmanhattan.org

http://www.jstandard.com/categories/Singles/
items directly above are from url directly above


Directions to the JCC
(Jewish Community Center) on the Palisades
411 East Clinton Avenue Tenafly, NJ 07670 201 569 7900
these directions were found at:
http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/template.phpsection=AD


FROM GARDEN STATE PARKWAY NORTH
Exit 161 to Route 4 East. Continue directions from Route 4.

FROM GARDEN STATE PARKWAY SOUTH
Exit 163 to Route 17 South to Route 4 East.
FROM NEW JERSEY TURNPIKE
Exit 18 to Route 46 East to Grand Avenue. Proceed North past Route 4
and continue as described below (from Route 4).


FROM I-80 EAST
To Garden State Parkway North to Exit 161 and then to Route 4 East.
FROM ROUTE 4
Exit at Grand Avenue/Englewood. Follow Grand Avenue North about 1
mile, where it
becomes Engle Street. Continue on Engle Street past Englewood
Hospital. 2nd
Traffic light past hospital make right onto E. Clinton Avenue. JCC is
approximately 1 mile on left.


FROM NEW YORK CITY & LONG ISLAND
Go over George Washington Bridge to Palisades Parkway North. Get off
at Exit 1,
Englewood Cliffs & Palisades Avenue. Make right and go to 1st light.
At light
make a right onto Route 9W No. At 4th light make a left onto E.
Clinton Avenue.
JCC is mile on right.



FROM SOUTH OR WEST
Take New Jersey Turnpike (95) No. or Route 80 East to Broad Ave.
Exit. Bear
right onto Broad Ave. toward Englewood. Broad Ave. will become Dana
Place. Take
Dana Place to end. Make right onto E. Palisades Ave. At 3rd block
(on left) make
left onto No. Woodland Street to end. Make right onto E. Clinton
Avenue.
JCC immediately on left.

FROM NORTH
Take Palisades Parkway South and get off at Exit 2. Make left off
ramp onto
Route 9W South. At 3rd light make right onto E. Clinton Avenue. JCC
is mile on right.



FROM TAPPAN ZEE BRIDGE
To Exit 13 So. (Palisades Parkway So.) to Exit 2. Proceed as above
from North.


FROM CONNECTICUT (Stamford)
Route I 95 So. to 287 West to Tappan Zee Bridge. Proceed as above.

the events immediately below were found at
http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/articlenav.php?id=294

Singles 40-57
Singles Schmooze
Sundays,  October 21, November 18 & December 16 6 pm
Led by Jeff and Elaine
Spend a casual evening getting to know other singles through
discussions on various topics determined by the participants.
$4 JCC members, $6 Nonmembers


SINGLES OF ALL AGES
COMEDY NIGHT
With Johnny Lampert, Karen Bergreen, & Brian Kiley
Saturday, October 20, 8:30 pm
You've seen them at Carolines on Broadway, The Comic Strip and The
Improv; you've seen them on A & E's Carolines Comedy Hours, NBC's
Friday Night, and HBO Comedy Showcase, you've even seen them in
Trump Plaza, The Sand, and Mohegan Sun. They've appeared at The
Friar's Club, The Kennedy Center, the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and
The Late Show with David Letterman, now you can see them right here
at the JCC. Join us for a terrific evening with these uproarious
comedians. After the show, enjoy a dessert reception. Cash bar.
Reserve a premium seating table for you and your friends.
$25 JCC members, $30 general admission
Pre-paid reserved tables of 10 $285
pre-paid reserved VIP tables $360
All reserved tables must be paid by October 15

WINE TASTING AND ALL THAT JAZZ
Saturday, November 17, 8:30 pm
Celebrate Israel at 60 with a sampling of upscale Israeli wines.
Wine experts from Queen Anne Wine and Spirit Emporium will guide you
through a selection of quality wines and discuss Israel's excellent
vineyards. Enjoy cheese and crackers while listening to the soft
sounds of Rafi Malkiel and his band, an outstanding Israeli Jazz
group. Dessert reception to follow.
$23 JCC members, $26 general admission before 11/12
$30 after
Co-sponsored with Israeli Connection Department and the Bergen
County YJCC.

For more information contact:
Esther Mazor, Singles Director (201) 569-7900 x460
emazor@...
emazor AT jccotp.org

the events immediately below were found at
http://www.jcconthepalisades.org/articlenav.php?id=555

SINGLES OF ALL AGES


COMEDY NIGHT
Saturday, October 20, 8 pm
You've seen great comedians at Carolines on Broadway, The Comic
Strip and The Improv; you've seen them on A&E's Carolines Comedy
Hours, NBC's Friday Night, and HBO Comedy Showcase. They've appeared
at The Friar's Club, The Kennedy Center, the Tonight Show and The
Late Show with David Letterman. Now see them right here at the JCC.
Join us for a terrific evening of comedy featuring Johnny Lampert,
Karen Bergreen, and Brian Kiley. Enjoy a reception for singles only
and then join others at 8:30 pm for this fun event. Sit
with other singles your age at separate tables. There will be a
dessert reception after the show. Cash bar.
Reservations required.
$25 by 10/17, $30 after

MONDAY NIGHT AT THE MOVIES
WITH HAROLD CHAPLER
Mondays, 7 pm
October 15 - Walk on Water
November 5 - Lacombe, Lucien
January 14 - The Illusionist
Enjoy a special reception prior to joining others for a feature film
at 7:30 pm. Mr. Chapler will introduce the film and then share his
expertise with us at an optional discussion following the movie.
$4 JCC members, $6 nonmembers

FRIDAY NIGHT JEWISH SINGLES SERVICES AND ONEG IN FORT LEE
Fridays, October 19 & November 16, 8 pm, Free
Takes Place at Congregation Gesher Shalom (1449 Anderson Ave, Fort
Lee). Join other singles for "Shabbat Yachad a musical
Shabbategalitarian service. This will be followed by an Oneg
Shabbat.
For further information call 201.947.1735 ext. 12.

CHANUKAH CELEBRATION AND FORMERLY MARRIED TO NON-JEWS FMNJ A
PLAYREADING
Monday, December 10, 7:30 pm
Enjoy latkes etc and then enjoy this serio-comic play about Jewish
Intermarriage written by Theodore D. Kempner.
Cosponsored with the Department of Performing Arts
$10/$12 by 12/7, $15 after

RELATIONSHIP REVELATIONS AND CHINESE LUNCH
Tuesday, December 25, 12 pm
Enjoy a delicious lunch following a fascinating presentation.
Reservations required.
$18 by 12/24, $23 after

NOT FOR SINGLES ONLY
STEM CELL RESEARCH AND THE ETHICS OF
EMBRYONIC STEM CELLS
Sunday, October 21, 3:30 pm, Free
Pranela Rameshwar PhD & Rabbi Lawrence S. Zierler
In November, New Jersey residents can vote on a bond issue that, if
approved by voters, will fund research grants for a variety of stem
cell research, including embryonic. Gain valuable information about
stem cell research from Dr. Pranela Rameshwar, Professor of
Medicine, NJ Medical School, and Rabbi Lawrence S. Zierler of the
Jewish Center of Teaneck, who holds a Masters Degree in Bio-Ethics
from Case Western Reserve University. Dr. Rameshwar will present an
overview, for the non scientist, of stem cell research development
including the progress towards ESC therapy, especially as it relates
to cancer, aging diseases and neural disorders. Rabbi Zierler will
address the ethical issues and religious concerns about this
controversial topic.
Sponsored by the Berit and Martin Bernstein Open Forum Endowment
Fund.
Co-sponsored with the Judaic Department

WINE TASTING AND ALL THAT JAZZ
Saturday, November 17, 8:30 pm
Celebrate Israel at 60 with a sampling of upscale Israeli wines.
Wine experts from Queen Anne Wine and Spirit Emporium will guide you
through a selection of quality wines and discuss Israel's excellent
vineyards. Enjoy cheese and crackers while listening to the soft
sounds of Rafi Malkiel and his band, an outstanding Israeli Jazz
group. Dessert reception to follow.
$23 JCC members, $26 general admission before 11/12
$30 after
Co-sponsored with Israeli Connection Department and the Bergen
County YJCC.


For more information contact:
Esther Mazor, Singles Director (201) 569-7900 x460
emazor@...
emazor AT jccotp.org



for details on the events listed immediately below
please click on  http://www.kehillaton.com/

Tomorrow (Sun, 14 Oct)
9:30 AM Event - Classes/Seminar/Workshop: YU Student Medical Ethics
Society Conference [New York - Manhattan, NY]
10:00 AM Event - Sale/Garage or Yard Sale: BLOCK SALE [Teaneck, NJ]
3:00 PM Event - Other: Teen Rally [Teaneck, NJ]
7:30 PM Event - Other: ISRAEL on Campus: Preparing Our Students
[Highland Park, NJ]
7:30 PM Event - Other: Israel on Campus: Preparing our Students
[Highland Park, NJ]
Mon, 15 Oct
8:00 PM Lecture - (Other - see title): Nefesh B'Nefesh Presents -
Israel & the Diaspora: Our State, Our Statement, Our Destiny [New
York - Manhattan, NY]
Tue, 16 Oct
8:00 PM Lecture - (Other - see title): Nefesh B'Nefesh Present -
Israel & The Diaspora: Our State, Our Statement, Our Destiny
[Boston, MA]
8:00 PM Lecture - (Other - see title): Nefesh B'Nefesh Presents -
Israel & The Diaspora: Our State, Our Statement, Our Destiny
[Highland Park, NJ]
Wed, 17 Oct
7:00 PM Event - Concert: Vladimir Feltsman: Music from Poland and
Russia [New York - Manhattan, NY]
8:00 PM Lecture - (Other - see title): Nefesh B'Nefesh Presents -
Israel & The Diaspora: Our State, Our Statement, Our Destiny
[Passaic, NJ]



for details on the events listed immediately above
please click on  http://www.kehillaton.com/


This next event is something completely different and is NOT
sponsored by


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesOfNJ/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesinNJforIsrael/

and

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JewishSinglesFromEverywhere/

however we feel that Roberta is a real asset to the Jewish community
especially
because of the many wonderful CIRCLE OF SINGLE JEWISH FRIENDS events
she has done and which we hope she will continue to do in the
future. It is a Mitzvah to get single Jews together so that
hopefully marriages between Jews may result with the children of
those marriages raised as Jews. Age range for Roberta's CIRCLE OF
SINGLE JEWISH FRIENDS events is generally Baby Boomers give or take
a few years or so.

For October of 2007 c.e. Roberta will be doing the event immediately
below rather than her usual CIRCLE OF SINGLE JEWISH FRIENDS monthly
Sunday lunch.

Murder Mystery and Buffet Night at a non-Kosher restaurant in
Highland Park, New Jersey Seating is limited. People must call
Roberta  for reservations etc. Call Roberta (908) 668-8450) for
reservations and payment arrangements.

Please note that although Roberta's group CIRCLE OF SINGLE JEWISH
FRIENDS will be ATTENDING the Murder Mystery and Buffet Night at a
non-Kosher restaurant in Highland Park, New Jersey there will be
other people at that event who may very well NOT be Jewish OR single
but may simply be there to enjoy the event.

Date:          October 26th, 2007 c.e.
Time:         7:00 P.M.
Cost:          $45.00


Includes buffet dinner, desserts, coffee and tea.  Seating is
limited and advance reservations are required.  Call Roberta (908)
668-8450) for reservations and payment arrangements.
For October of 2007 c.e. Roberta will be doing the event above
rather than
her usual CIRCLE OF SINGLE JEWISH FRIENDS monthly Sunday lunch.
Please stay in touch with Roberta for details of more events.
Please suggest Kosher restaurants and events for Jewish singles only
to Roberta for her future events.
You may email Roberta at the following email address:
roger@...
roger AT superlink.net

the item immediately below is from:
http://www.zoa.org/2007/10/zoa_opposes_olm_5.htm
ZOA Opposes Olmert Discussions To Divide Jerusalem
October 09, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Morton A. Klein, 212-481-1500
Olmert violates his and Sharon's pledge

New York The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) is urging the
Olmert government to drop discussion of plans which have been leaked
to media indicating that it intends to divide Jerusalem, withdraw
from most of Judea and Samaria and relinquish Israeli sovereignty
over the Temple Mount, the holiest site in Judaism. In recent days,
two Israeli government ministers, Vice Premier Haim Ramon and
Strategic Threats Minister, Avigdor Lieberman (Israel Beitenu), have
spoken publicly of major Israeli territorial concessions in
Jerusalem to the Mahmoud Abbas Palestinian Authority (PA). Ramon has
raised the idea of a possible division of Jerusalem in interviews on
the two main radio stations while Lieberman told a news conference
that he is ready to hand over some Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem's
Old City to the PA ( New York Sun, October 9). These proposals
contradict Kadima's platform and the explicit statements of its
founder, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, made in an April 2005
meeting with American Jewish leaders that "No serious steps have
been taken by [Mahmoud Abbas], and we can't get to the Road Map plan
until the PA fully implements their obligations ... Jerusalem will
never be divided and Israel will not negotiate on Jerusalem. Since
1860 the Jewish population of Jerusalem was larger than the
Christian and Muslim population combined.

In addition, Israeli and PA negotiators have been meeting since
yesterday to prepare a joint declaration to be issued at the
upcoming US-sponsored summit in Annapolis. A senior Israeli official
has said that the two sides are discussing "core issues-- a
reference to major questions like future of Jerusalem, which all
previous Israeli governments have declared to be Israel's eternal
and indivisible capital.

Prime Minister Olmert is denying reports that he and Abbas have
agreed to transfer the Temple Mount's holy sites to Jordanian
control. Opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu told the Knesset on
Sunday, "Giving Hamas half of Jerusalem will make the rest of
Jerusalem unlivable ... Giving up Judea and Samaria will transfer
the areas controlling the coastal plain into the hands of Hamas,
leading to Qassems ... on Tel Aviv ( Jerusalem Post, October 8).
Knesset Member Uri Ariel (National Union/National Religious Party)
stated, "If the report is true, the Israeli government has stripped
itself of any linkage to Zionism or its Jewish roots while MK Eli
Yishai, head of Olmert government coalition partner Shas, said, "The
Olmert government is trying to destroy the dreams of thousands of
generations who have dreamed and worked to return the Jewish people
to its land ... We won't let him succeed ... Whoever thinks he has
the authority to give up Jerusalem is wrong. The obligation to keep
Jerusalem is solid, not a political gust of wind( Jerusalem Post,
October 9).

The Olmert government proposals are opposed by the majority of the
Israeli public. A poll carried out by the newspaper, Yedioth
Ahronoth, and the Dahaf Institute shows that 61% of Israelis believe
that Jerusalem should remain under the sovereign control of Israel,
68% oppose handing over even the Arab neighborhoods in east
Jerusalem to the PA and 61% support the retention under Israeli
sovereignty of the Western Wall and Temple Mount (Yediot Ahronot,
October 9).

ZOA National President Morton A. Klein said, "This scheme to divide
Jerusalem along the lines of the 2000 negotiations which ended in
bloodshed appalls us but does not surprise us. It has been evident
for some time that the Olmert government has been determined to make
massive concessions to the PA, either unilaterally or through
negotiations, regardless of the fact that Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah
are no more serious peace partners than is Hamas. Abbas has not
jailed terrorists and confiscated their illegal weaponry, nor has he
ended the incitement to hatred and murder that permeates the PA-
controlled media, mosques, schools and youth camps. Promoting peace
will not be brought about by showing that Israel is willing to tear
out its heart; it will be brought about by the PA stopping
Palestinian Arab incitement, disarming terror groups, arresting
terrorists and closing bomb factories.

"Jerusalem is the religious, historical and cultural heart of the
Jewish people, mentioned hundreds of times in the bible but never
once in the Quran. It has served as the capital only of the Jewish
people, never of another people and when eastern Jerusalem was
occupied by Jordan, it was a backwater that no Arab leader other
than King Hussein visited. We urge the Olmert government to make no
concessions at all under prevailing conditions and to rule out any
withdrawals that divide the city and especially those concessions
which would tear the historical heart of Jerusalem from the State of
Israel.

Would the Arabs ever agree to give away any part of Mecca or Medina?
Would the world's Catholics ever agree to give away parts of Vatican
City? It is shameful that Olmert even considers giving away our
patrimony. We urge all Jews, all Jewish organizations, Christian
Zionists, and all people of goodwill to forcefully speak out against
this folly, which is a negation of the biblical injunction `If I
forget thee, Oh Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its cunning.
Jerusalem belongs to the entire Jewish people and no Israeli
government has the moral right to give it away. In addition, such
concessions will never work. Israel has already given all of Gaza
and half of Judea and Samaria without getting one step closer to
peace or reducing terror. Such major concessions encourage only more
terror and demands.  *       *       *
The Zionist Organization of America, founded in 1897, is the oldest
pro-Israel organization in the United States. The ZOA works to
strengthen U.S.-Israel relations, educates the American public and
Congress about the dangers that Israel faces, and combats anti-
Israel bias in the media and on college campuses. Its past
presidents have included Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis and
Rabbi Dr. Abba Hillel Silver
the item immediately above was from:
http://www.zoa.org/2007/10/zoa_opposes_olm_5.htm
Zionist Organization
of America
4 East 34th St.
New York, NY 10016

ZOA Chapters
Atlanta, GA
Baltimore, MD
Bethesda, MD  Mitchell Finkel, Vice President
bethesda@...
Boca Raton, FL
Boston, MA  Henry Silverman, President
70 Park Street, Suite 25
Brookline, MA 02446
Brooklyn, NY  Rubin Margules, President
Phone: 718-339-8379
Fax: 718-339-8610
www.zoabrooklyn.org
brooklyn@...
Cherry Hill, NJ
Chicago, IL
Cleveland, OH  Cleveland ZOA
3246 DeSota Ave
Cleveland Heights, Ohio 44118
Phone: 216-320-0726
Fax: 216-320-0793
cleveland@...
Dallas, TX
Dayton, OH
Detroit, MI  Dr. Jerome S. Kaufman
ZOA National Secretary
michigan@...
Current Newsletter
Hartford, CT
Long Island, NY  Dr. Alan Mazurek, President
Los Angeles / Western Region  Ed Ames, President
18455 Burbank Blvd., Suite 300
Tarzana, CA 91356
Phone: 818.342.3363
Fax: 818.342.3115
zoawest@...
Manhattan, NY  Mr. Marvin Belsky
manhattan@...
Milwaukee, WI
New Haven, CT  Ron Scherban
New Jersey (Northern)
Palm Beach, FL
Philadelphia, PA  Lori Lowenthal Marcus,
President
Steve Feldman, Executive
Director
7923 Bustleton Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19152
Phone: 215-338-9188
Fax: 215-338-9189
philadelphia@...
www.zoaphilly.org
Phoenix, AZ
Pittsburgh, PA  Deborah Fidel, Esq., President
6334 Forbes Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15217
Phone: 412-421-6660
Fax: 412-421-6669
pittsburgh@...
Rochester, NY  Dr. Leon Szmedra, President rochesterny@...
San Diego, CA  Howard L. Dyckman, President sandiego@...
San Francisco, CA
Silver Spring, MD  Mitchell Finkel, Vice President
silverspring@...
Youngstown, OH
Washington, DC
Westchester, NY

http://www.zoa.org/chapters.htm

We urge everyone who can to join an existing ZOA chapter and if one
is not located nearby to contact the ZOA about starting a new ZOA
chapter.
http://www.zoa.org/contact.htm
The Zionist Organization
of America
4 East 34th Street
New York, NY 10016  Telephone:
212-481-1500
Fax:
212-481-1515
General Information
info@...  Membership
membership@...

info AT zoa.org                membership AT zoa.org
Livnot Winter 30somethings trip
December 24th 2007-Jan 2nd 2008
For participants aged 27 early 40s
Chevre,
If you're thinking past Succot towards the winter....Livnot Winter
30somethings trip
December 24th 2007-Jan 2nd 2008 is an opportunity to NOT BE MISSED.
--Explore your community, your spirituality, your Jewish identity
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Whether it's your first time in Israel , or you are a return
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this next item is from:
sarabasedis@...
sarabasedis AT yahoo.com
New singles group meeting
I am trying to get this off the ground. We'll be meeting Sunday,
Oct.14th at Levy's Kosher Pizza and Pasta, Rt. 9 So., Manalapan, NJ
at
1pm. There will be no charge. You pay for what you eat. This
restaurant
is Cholov Yisrael, Pas Yisroel and Shomer Shabbos for those
interested.
Email me so I can get an approximate count of how many will come. If
this is successful, then we can make it more often.

please contact
sarabasedis@...
sarabasedis AT yahoo.com about the item immediately above

the item immediately below is from:
http://www.womeningreen.org/who.htm
WOMEN FOR ISRAEL'S TOMORROW
WOMEN IN GREEN
WHO WE ARE


Women for Israel's Tomorrow (Women in Green) is a rapidly growing
grassroots women's movement -- grandmothers, mothers, wives, and
daughters; housewives and professionals; secular and religious --
all bound together by a shared love, devotion and concern for
Israel. We are not affiliated with, nor do we support, any
particular political party. We have chapters throughout Israel and
abroad, including Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Toronto. We
also have many men among our supporters.
In existence only since late 1993, the Women for Israel's Tomorrow,
a registered non-profit organization, has accomplished a great deal.
In addition to weekly street theater and public demonstrations, we
write weekly articles, commission posters, advertise in newspapers,
and lecture to groups in order to educate the electorate on the
consequences of certain government policies, such as abandoning the
Golan Heights for an illusory promise of peace, and pandering to
Arafat, without requiring him to live up to his obligations under
the Oslo Accords. We insist that Israel remain a Jewish state. We
are actively and intimately connected with the fight to preserve a
united Jerusalem. We support and encourage the brave Jewish
community in the ancient city of Hebron, and sponsor annual Hanukkah
and Purim parties with gifts and professional entertainment for the
isolated Jewish children in that community.
Our movement is dedicated to the security and Jewish heritage of
historic Israel, and we are outspoken in support of our cause. We
are popularly known as the "Women in Green" because of the green
hats we wear.
A leading Hebrew newspaper, Maariv, has described us as "the most
authentic and exciting popular resistance movement to have arisen
here (in Israel) in the last few years".
For more information, please contact:
Co-chairwomen: Ruth Matar and Nadia Matar
Women in Green, P.O.B. 7352, Jerusalem
Tel: 972-2-624-9887; Fax: 972-2-624-5380
E-mail: michaele@...
michaele AT netvision.net.il
To subscribe to the Women in Green list,
please send a blank email message to:
list4-subscribe@...
list4-subscribe AT womeiningreen.org
"Always it has been those few who have decided to remain Jews who
have written Jewish history." -- Elyakim Ha'Etzni
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS
Wants you! Our Science Fiction group is for everyone 21 or older
regardless of background or marital status. Younger fans should find
another group.
Please introduce yourself when you join and
periodically as new members keep joining. We plan to get together at
restaurants and to go to movies. We will see them in movie theaters,
and, if people are kind enough, on people's home VCRs, or DVD
players, for the technologically advanced among us. Buy your own
movie tickets. Buy your own meals at Restaurants. Hopefully a
typical event would involve going to a Science Fiction Movie and
then to a Restaurant to discuss the movie we just saw.

Please also join the Science Fiction Association of Bergen County,
New Jersey http://www.sfabc. org and attend their many wonderful
events.

Are you a single Science Fiction fan looking for a soulmate? Perhaps
you will find that person here. This club is not a New Jersey
singles group per se, and is open to anyone over 21, regardless of
background or marital status, nonetheless, love is a good thing.

Many science fiction fans in New Jersey also happen to be Jewish.
Most science fiction fans are male. For the single Jewish woman in
New Jersey joining a science fiction group may be the ideal way to
find her ideal man. Unlike most singles events, which tend to be
attended by more women than men, most science fiction events are
attended by more men than women.

If you happen to be Jewish, Single and over 21
Please state that you are Jewish, Single, 21 or over, when you apply
to join the Jewish Singles Yahoo Groups at the websites the urls
below will take you to

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JewishSingles OfNJ/

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JewishSingles inNJforIsrael /

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/JewishSingles FromEverywhere/

We also hope that you will join
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

Please forward this sign up information to everyone who should get
it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NEW_ JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS/

There is no charge to join NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

Please forward this sign up information to everyone who should get
it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NEW_ JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS/

or to belong to
Please forward this sign up information to everyone who should get
it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NEW_ JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS/
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

or to attend any of its events. If you go to a restaurant you pay
only for the
food that you order plus tax and tip.

You never pay
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

Please forward this sign up information to everyone who should get
it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NEW_ JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS/

anything for any of its events.

NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

Please forward this sign up information to everyone who should get
it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS- subscribe@ yahoogroups. com
http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/NEW_ JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS/
Wants you! Our Science Fiction group is for everyone 21 or older
regardless of background or marital status. Younger fans should find
another group. Please introduce yourself when you join and
periodically as
new members keep joining. We plan to get together at restaurants and
to go
to movies. We will see them in movie theaters,and, if people are kind
enough, on people's home VCRs, or DVD
players, for the technologically advanced among us. Buy your own
movie
tickets. Buy your own meals at
Restaurants. Hopefully a typical event would involve going to a
Science
Fiction Movie and then to a Restaurant to discuss the movie we just
saw.
Are you a single Science Fiction fan looking for a soulmate? Perhaps
you
will find that person here. This club is not a New Jersey singles
group per se,
and is open to anyone over 21, regardless of background or marital
status,
nonetheless, love is a
good thing. In the parts of New Jersey where the
science fiction clubs we know of operate there is also a
very high percentage of Jewish residents. Many science fiction fans
and
science fiction writers and even science fiction stars, like Leonard
Nimoy,
(Mr. Spock), of Star Trek, and William Shatner (Captain Kirk), of
Star
Trek, also happen to be Jewish. Most science fiction fans I know are
single
men, and many of them, at least in places like New Jersey, are
Jewish.

Many science fiction fans in New Jersey also happen to be Jewish.
Most
science fiction fans are male. For the single Jewish woman in New
Jersey
joining a science fiction group may be the ideal way to find her
ideal man.
Unlike most singles events, which tend to be attended by more women
than
men,most science fiction events are attended by more men than women.

If you happen to be Jewish, Single and over 21
Please state that you are Jewish, Single, 21 or over, when you apply
to join
the Jewish Singles Yahoo Groups at the websites the urls below will
take
you to

http://groups. yahoo.com/group/ JewishSinglesOfN J/

http://groups. yahoo.com/group/ JewishSinglesinN JforIsrael /

http://groups. yahoo.com/group/ JewishSinglesFro mEverywhere/

One of the biggest complaints heard from many
women who attend some singles events
is that there are far more women than men
in attendance.

One of the biggest complaints heard from
many men who attend most science fiction
events is that there are far more men in
attendance than women.

Most science fiction fans are male.
Many science fiction fans in places like
New Jersey are also Jewish.

There are science fiction clubs in many
places. In New Jersey many science fiction
club attendees are single Jewish men.

The SCIENCE FICTION ASSOCIATON OF BERGEN
COUNTY, NEW JERSEY http://www.sfabc. org
is open to everyone regardless of marital status or background
and is absolutely NOT a singles group
nonetheless many single Jewish men attend its many functions.
It has existed since 1984 c.e. and was founded by its
director, Phil. The club holds a monthly meeting
on the Second Saturday night of each month.

Phil, is the founder and director of http://www.sfabc. org
201 447-3652 The Science Fiction Association of Bergen County, New
Jersey please contact Phil regarding UPCOMING SCIENCE FICTION
ASSOCIATION OF BERGEN COUNTY NEW JERSEY
EVENTS

THE SCIENCE FICTION ASSOCIATION OF BERGEN COUNTY NEW JERSEY
http://www.sfabc. org

was founded in 1984 by Phil who still is the Director.

They have been having monthly meetings on the second Saturday of each
month ,usually in the evening, since about 1984.
http://www.sfabc. org

not affiliated with NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS but highly
recommended by NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_ FICTION_FANS

CALL PHIL AT 201 447-3652 FOR DETAILS

http://www.sfabc. org
contact Phil at SFABCPhil@gmail. com

SFABCPhil@gmail. com
SFABCPhil AT gmail.com
please contact Phil, who is the founder and director of
the SFABC, the Science Fiction Association of Bergen County, New
Jersey,
at 201 447-3652 regarding the monthly SFABC meetings and the
other SFABC events.

Please forward this sign up information to
everyone who should get it.
NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_FICTION_FANS-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEW_JERSEY_SCIENCE_FICTION_FANS/
This club is for everyone 21 or older.
Are you a single sci-fi fan looking for a soulmate.
Feel free to post your introduction, and something about what your
ideal soulmate should be like at the group as frequently as you
wish.  Please also post what got you interested in sci-fi, who your
favorite author(s) are, whether you are also a sci-fi writer, and
other sci-fi related thoughts you might have about books, movies,
tv,
the net, meetings,parties, or any other sci-fi related things you
might want to post about. Are you willing to host a sci-fi house
party? What should our club be doing?
Please post your thoughts? Please post your ideas.
Please also be sure to join SFABC
THE SCIENCE FICTION ASSOCIATION OF BERGEN COUNTY, NEW JERSEY

Contact Phil at 201 447-3652 SFABCPhil@...
SFABCPhil AT gmail.com
http://www.sfabc.org for details.

Dear Peter,

Thank-you for admitting me to the group. I will try to uphold the groups
guidelines.

Sincerely,
Gary Mann


> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Jordan <paranormal232003@...>
> To: <Vestigia@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 10/29/2006 10:18:17 AM
> Subject: [Vestigia] An Invitation...
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> To all the wonderful students throughout the country who attended my
> multimedia presentation on Ghosts, come join us for a lively (and
> occasionally fiery!) exchange of ideas and personal experiences
> related to all manner of the unexplained.
>
> Our scepticism is (and has always been) a benign one, one guided by a
> humanstic appreciation and respect for the interpretations and
> opinions and others -- even when those interpretations and opinions
> may clash.
>
> We encourage all visitors and partcipants to keep an open mind -- but
> not so open as to allow one's brains to fall out! Avoid extremism, as
> truth is hardly ever discovered there, but elswhere -- usually
> somewhere in the middle.
>
> Thanks for your support and interest in our ongoing field research --
> and welcome to our group!
>
> Yours,
> Peter Jordan
> Resarch Director
> Vestigia
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Mr. Jordan (and to the others in this Group),

Some years ago after one of your presentations, I e-mailed you a photo
I took in 2000 of the "Haunted Mansion" at Walt Disney World that
contained an anomalous image.  I have since lost the e-mail address we
had been corresponding with, and was wondering if Vestigia had come to
any conclusions or theories regarding the photo (I did notice it was
being used in some promotional materials for your lectures, and was
flattered!).

I have placed a copy of the photograph in the Yahoo! Group's "Photos"
section in the Ghost Photos subdirectory.

The complete story behind the photo is here:
http://www.geocities.com/doombuggyman/ghostpic.html

Regards,

-T. McKenny

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 07:47:31 -0500
From: Carole <clnorton@...>
Subject: Elephants can recognize themselves in a mirror
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Elephants can recognize themselves in a mirror, joining only humans, apes and dolphins as animals that possess this kind of self-awareness, researchers now report.

"This would seem to be a trait common to and independently evolved by animals with large, complex brains, complex social lives and known capacities for empathy and altruism, even though the animals all have very different kinds of brains," researcher Diana Reiss, a senior cognitive research scientist at the Wildlife Conservation Society in Brooklyn, N.Y., told LiveScience.

Hopefully, she added, this will encourage people to protect elephants.

The researchers began their experiment by introducing three adult female Asian elephants to a mirror [image] eight feet wide by eight feet high constructed in a private area of their yard at the Bronx Zoo. Making the jumbo-sized mirror as "elephant-resistant" as they could was a challenge, given that "elephants love to constantly push with their heads and manipulate anything they can," explained researcher Joshua Plotnik, a graduate student at Emory University in Atlanta.

"We used a mirror made of plastic -- if we used glass, it would have broken very easily -- and framed it with steel and bolted it to the wall, but we were still worried they'd bring it down," Plotnik told LiveScience. "Luckily that didn't happen. We never saw them attempt to rip the mirror off. They seemed too interested in it to do that."

One of the first things animals capable of recognizing themselves in mirrors do is try exploring the other side of the mirror. Elephants Maxine and Patty did this [video]: they swung their trunks over and behind the wall on which the mirror was mounted, kneeled in front of it to get their trunks under and behind it, and even attempted to physically climb the wall. Remarkably, the elephants did not appear to at first mistake their reflections as strangers and try to greet them, as many animals that can recognize themselves normally do.

"Elephants have been tested in front of mirrors before, but previous studies used relatively small mirrors kept out of the elephants' reach," he added. "This study is the first to test the animals in front of a huge mirror they could touch, rub against and try to look behind."

As they begin to understand mirrors, animals that can recognize their reflections try repeating actions in front of it. The elephants, for example, waved their trunks around and moved their heads in and out of the mirror view.

Finally, once animals recognize reflections as their own, they use mirrors to investigate their own bodies [video]. On more than one occasion, the elephants stuck their trunks into their mouths in front of the mirror, and Maxine used her trunk to pull her ear slowly toward the mirror.

"As a result of this study, the elephant now joins a cognitive elite," said researcher Frans de Waal at Emory University.

One elephant, named Happy, passed the final test of repeatedly touching an X painted on her forehead [image], a place she could not see without a mirror. As a control, when a colorless paint was used to draw the X, Happy didn't bother with it. While only Happy passed this test [video], the researchers noted that more than half of chimpanzees examined typically fail this test.

"Also, while primates constantly groom themselves, elephants love to throw mud on themselves and bathe in dust, so the other elephants might have seen that mark on their heads and not cared," Plotnik said.

Future research can focus on when elephants first develop this capacity. "We first see evidence of humans recognizing their reflections when they are 18 months old," Reiss said.

The scientists reported their findings online October 30 via the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

To all the wonderful students throughout the country who attended my
multimedia presentation on Ghosts, come join us for a lively (and
occasionally fiery!) exchange of ideas and personal experiences
related to all manner of the unexplained.

Our scepticism is (and has always been) a benign one, one guided by a
humanstic appreciation and respect for the interpretations and
opinions and others -- even when those interpretations and opinions
may clash.

We encourage all visitors and partcipants to keep an open mind -- but
not so open as to allow one's brains to fall out! Avoid extremism, as
truth is hardly ever discovered there, but elswhere -- usually
somewhere in the middle.

Thanks for your support and interest in our ongoing field research --
and welcome to our group!

Yours,
Peter Jordan
Resarch Director
Vestigia

My room mates and I think we may have a ghost in our house. Things
will be mysteriously pushed off shelves when no one is in that room.
Three days ago, some money in my roomate's bedroom was found arranged
in a smiley face, but no one was home all day to have done it. Just
last night, the three of us, and her boyfriend went to the grocery
store and when we came back, a small plant in a pot with a ceramic
ghost was moved to the steps leading upstairs. Again, no one was home
to have done it. We're just trying to figure out what's happening.

Any ideas?

Hi Janet--
I was very busy here when the "need an opinion" emails started to arrive. I could not consider these emails in any detail due to the "real time" obligations of presenting my work at the "New Life Expo" here in New York. But when the "intellectual interpretations" started coming in I felt I should comment. I would have to visit with the protagonists to have an informed opinion.I can offer the observation that various poltergeist phenomena I have experienced such as pennies falling from mid-air onto a dinner table might sound too broad in qritten narration, but are actual events.
Best--Eugenia Macer-Story
In a message dated 10/25/2006 11:11:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, jkroenke@... writes:

There still is someone asking for advice. We have to ask if we have helped
them in any way.

Eugenia, Dr. Houran, and group, I've got a busy day today, but I am
reminded of a story told by Krishnamurti.

He was in a taxi in India with three religious leaders who were discussing
Awareness.
As they drove along, the taxi driver hit a goat and ran over it, but the
discussion kept on going without missing a beat..They had never noticed
that the taxi had run over a goat until Krishnamurti pointed it out to  them.

Now, in the middle of our discussion, which is really interesting without
doubt, we have someone who came to us for an opinion on a problem. It is
clearly a case where intellect has briefly
deadened our sensitivities and obscured our purpose. This is, after all,
what we are here for.

Just a thought.

There still is someone asking for advice. We have to ask if we have helped
them in any way.

Janet

At 06:45 AM 10/24/2006 -0700, Poltergeist wrote:

>What would make for a good post is a discussion about the articles that
>have been written about how to approach and work with people who are in
>the middle of these experiences -- what some call "clinical
>parapsychology." Many journals like Omega, Journal of Transpersonal
>Psychology and the Journal of Palliative Care have addressed the subject.
>We do agree on one thing -- namely that the human element should never be
>overlooked. Whatever is truly happening in a case, strong emotions are at
>play and people need guidance and reassurance.
>
>Thx,
>
>James Houran

I have to add, at this point, that many people have come to our site to
learn about the work who do not have your academic background. Some come
for help, some to learn, some to share.

Not being a parapsychologist or psychologist myself, I have to recognize
the importance of doing this work in the company of somebody trained in
these disciplines--that or at least have somebody you can turn to for an
objective analysis of subjects involved in a case. Vestigia is fortunate to
have Peter Jordan and at a distance we can get additional opinions from
Carole Norton who is a Neuropsychologist.

There are a number of skills needed in this work; photography, digital
imaging, trade skills to understand the workings of a house or property,
local historians, people who have enough of a background in the sciences to
read and understand geophysical information, etc. etc.
There's a lot of work and skill necessary to do it right. And of course,
there should be an intuitive on board. For this we have Karlene Defibaugh.
It's great if you can get people who have more than one discipline.

It's not easy work. It's time consuming and can be very frustrating. There
are people who will do the work on an academic level and there will always
be those who will get together in a graveyard somewhere and try to
communicate with the dead. There's an enormous range of participants on
every level. Perhaps it's best to try to educate and share because when it
comes right down to it, who among us has the right to tell another person
they can't do this? They will regardless. Many will come with prejudices of
all sorts, some will come as hard core skeptics but the best will come with
an open mind.

Janet

What would make for a good post is a discussion about the articles that have been written about how to approach and work with people who are in the middle of these experiences -- what some call "clinical parapsychology." Many journals like Omega, Journal of Transpersonal Psychology and the Journal of Palliative Care have addressed the subject. We do agree on one thing -- namely that the human element should never be overlooked. Whatever is truly happening in a case, strong emotions are at play and people need guidance and reassurance.
 
Thx,
 
James Houran

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At 08:51 AM 10/23/2006 -0700, Poltergeist wrote:

>Actually, I never suggested setting up equipment -- that was another
>poster. The experiences/events in total (although the smiley face stands
>out) are not consistent with legitimate cases as found in the academic
>literature, so we proceed on that; we do not proceed on the assumption
>that anything and everything is possible. If you want truly to help people
>then become familiar with the actual science behind these experiences and
>apply that to educating people as opposed to leading them to use one
>unknown to explain another unknown.
>
>Re: who says that unexplained is not synonymous with paranormal... that is
>critical thinking 101. Just because something is unexplained at one point
>in time does not mean it is paranormal. Unexplained simply means we don't
>know yet. Labeling unexplained (or anomalous) experiences as "paranormal"
>is premature and unjustified. Knowledge is power and proper education, I
>have found, helps people.

I agree with that and never said otherwise. I know who you are Dr.
Houran--I know your reputation in the field, but this woman has been around
too long to play the little girl student with you.
We do not agree--it's that simple. If this were 30 years ago and I felt I
had something to prove I would continue--but it's not 30 years ago.

With all due respect, we can agree to disagree. We both have valid points
and quite frankly,
I for one do not feel I have anything to prove in the matter.

What you cannot assume is that there is anything "paranormal" at all. Questioning should always focus on the conventional to less conventional. After all, what possible line of questioning could reveal or "prove" unexplained events are "paranormal"?!!! A knowledge of good, documented cases in the academic literature often saves researchers a lot of time in deciding what cases to pursue or not because we know quite a bit about what is expected and what isn't -- and even what progression unexplained experiences tend to follow.

Every case is different. There should never be any such shortcuts. Questioning is the beginning of coming to understanding. You can never assume anything.
 
My response: Of course every case is "different" insofar as details are concerned, but parapsychologists know of amazingly strong trends and heuristics across cases that enable us to model these experience very nicely. My approach to questioning is hardly a shortcut -- I'd love to understand what you makes you conclude that it is.

As far as "you can never assume anything"... that is simply incorrect. We cannot assume that the paranormal exists as a viable option until "paranormality" is explained and modeled (how else do you know when something is or is not paranormal?!!!).

Assuming there is something paranormal to any case IS a prejudiced approach to begin with and demonstrates poor critical thinking. This is a fatal flaw many people make (especially self-styled ghost hunting groups): paranormal is not synonymous with unexplained.

Critical thinking is the best friend and tool of everyone interested in parapsychology and related fields.

Critical thinking is one thing. Beginning with a prejudice based on past cases can bias a case.
Past cases are a tool that can be used after all the information is garnered on a specific event.

Huh? Prejudice based on past cases? That is a misguided view. Science is a cumulative endeavor. We always learn from building on and extending the knowledge of the "past." There is no such thing as a "bias free case." Parapsychologists definitely start with a bias -- as do all scientists -- the bias of building on past knowledge and attempting to test hypotheses that support or do not support existing theories. Past knowledge is a tool that should always be used BEFORE the information in a case is gathered -- not after. Otherwise, how do you know what information to gather in the first place?! Investigators may try to discern which theory best explains a case, but the first step is always understanding the science of the available theories.


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What you cannot assume is that there is anything "paranormal" at all. Questioning should always focus on the conventional to less conventional. After all, what possible line of questioning could reveal or "prove" unexplained events are "paranormal"?!!! A knowledge of good, documented cases in the academic literature often saves researchers a lot of time in deciding what cases to pursue or not because we know quite a bit about what is expected and what isn't -- and even what progression unexplained experiences tend to follow.

What you cannot assume is that there is anything "paranormal" at all. Questioning should always focus on the conventional to less conventional. After all, what possible line of questioning could reveal or "prove" unexplained events are "paranormal"?!!! A knowledge of good, documented cases in the academic literature often saves researchers a lot of time in deciding what cases to pursue or not because we know quite a bit about what is expected and what isn't -- and even what progression unexplained experiences tend to follow.

 
Critical thinking is the best friend and tool of everyone interested in parapsychology and related fields.

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