Re: why wsm has not grown? Lenny you must have missed this posting.
> As a member of the working class who wants to see an end to capitalism as soon
as possible, you don't need ME to tell you how to organize to that end.
>
> Ask your fellow workers how they want to organize.
You are a worker. You were asked as a worker for an answer about how to organise
workers. You refused to give one.
> Of course, though, your fellow workers will need to be organized around the
issues and concerns that THEY have and want to fight, not around the issues and
concerns that YOU want them to have and want to fight. Alas, their wants are the
ones that mater, not yours. That may be a blow to your utopia ego.
We are workers organising around the issues and concerns that we want to fight
for. Why don't our wants matter?
Who are the special workers whose wants matter? Can you tell us?
... I want, before I start agreeing with Lenny, to spend some time distancing myself from him...although I do like his abrasive manner. I don't consider the...
... You are a worker. You were asked as a worker for an answer about how to organise workers. You refused to give one. ... We are workers organising around the...
... Alas, what we think doesn't matter. Socialism will come from the needs and wants of millions of people all over the world. It won't come from this "party...
... Again this is too mechanistic. How do you imagine that the needs and wants of millions of people translate into the will to establish socialism if not...
... Are you honestly telling me that you don't have any idea what it is that workers want, and no idea at all how to go about telling what they want? Really?...
... No. I'm saying that you don't know. You keep on talking about what 'workers want'. You were asked what you think they want and you have refused to answer...
Comrades, Just read the exchange below and you will see Lenny is a victim of capitalism who has bought the alienating attitudes of capitalism and expresses in...
The Impotence of the Revolutionary Group Sam Moss From "International Council Correspondence" I. The difference between the radical organizations and the broad...
... No, it is mechanisitc or deterministic. It is historical materialism. Our needs and wants come from our economic and social reality. They don't come from...
Lenny, I think (y)our problem is that we are in the United States. If we lived in Latin America, we might see the acceptance and embracing of socialism as a...
In Teguacigalpa, Honduras, more than 500 thousands people took over the International airport right now, and the military and the police were not able to stop...
... No you misunderstand. I wasnt referring to our needs and from whence they orginate. I was talking about socialism as a way of satisfying these needs. My...
... This deceit may serve as justification for WiC but it's still false. The WSM has never said that socialism can be obtained merely by "just talking about...
... The problem, alas, is that socialism is irrelevant to people until and unless we can point out how it directly addresses the material economic wants and...
Most people already know what's wrong, they know it's the entire system. IMO they realise that reformism won't work. This is just going to take time....
If we return power to the public, bring services back to public ownership, and protect the enviroment, thenuse the enviroment, not for profitable road...
You are making a huge mistake if you think capitalism is in decline. It has hardly got into its stride yet. And if you think it is in decline because of peak...
Until MOST Americans lose almost EVERYTHING, nothing will change. The "right" has done sooo much demonizing Socialism, even Sarah Palin, whose X-state, Alaska,...
In a recent poll (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/04/09/2009-04-09_many_americans_prefer_socialism_to_capitalism_a_new_poll_finds.html) only 53...
The problem with any poll taken in America about Socialism will be inaccurate. Most in America do not even know that America is part Socialism already and that...
The "right" has really done nothing, but stir hate, make the financial richer and the poor, even poorer. Everything is for profit, sold off and supported by...
Gwynn, As long as capitalism exists we will have to reform it, over and over and over. That's reality. But I am a revolutionary, just as you are, in desiring...
Robert, I never use the word reform anymore, I have been sufficiently schooled by the folks at WSM. Instead of saying "reforming financial systems", I say...
The capitalists and the workers together, will keep capitalism alive. It is not just an ideology it is their livelihoods. They will not lay down their lives...
... You can't "control" capitalism - this is a reformist delusion. If you could control it you could get it to operate in a way that conforms to your...
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