Friend, You must look at the evidence, Marx and Engels would to have urged you to do. Where will the disillusioned workers go when capitalism bites them like...
Thanks Trevor and Byron for your insights. It is useful to debate this matter I think. I will look up that link Byron. Again thanks to you both, Yours for...
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Julian Vein
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Aug 28, 2007 4:20 pm
... =========== Actually, salaried workers are slightly worse off than weekly paid ones. In a leap year the former have to work an extra day for the same...
Compensation in socialism? I agree with much of what Robin writes (FORUM 22 Aug) in reply to my earlier criticism of his letter in the August Standard. I...
Hi Stan, Interesting discussion. I have to agree with you, with regards to compensation within Socialism. Personally I cannot see it being relevant, or indeed ...
Julian: In my short article on the middle class this phenomena--highly trained vs lesser trained workers--was well elucidated by Paul LaFargue about 100 years...
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alan johnstone
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Aug 28, 2007 7:02 pm
Byron , How do you reply to the Parecon's insistence that there exists a distinct coordinator class that vie for political power and Russia was an example of...
Hi Alan, With the rise of the class-consciousness necessary for the establishment of Socialism, problems of "minorities" obtaining "political power", will...
Alan: In short the Pareconians are fantasists in this regard. With almost one-third of the working class educated they do not stand out any more than...
Hi Stan Ill interpololate my answers in the text below ... my earlier ... that in ... production ... the global ... the term, ... defines ... balances or is an...
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Robert Malone
r.malone@...
Aug 29, 2007 8:15 am
Hi Alan, as Byron has pointed out, so many of these so called managers would like to think that they are part of a middle class, or coordinator class, but they...
Yes, there is a middle class and a lower class if you view the subject narrowly in that some workers are better paid than others, and so have better life...
... Bonjour Julien, Wrong, wrong, wrong. Smile icon. Substitute the word "often" for "slightly";. I take it that weekly paid workers get paid by the hours. ...
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Julian Vein
julianvein@...
Aug 29, 2007 3:51 pm
... Trevor, I was salaried at my last job, but was nowhere close to being management or executive (in other words, being "bought off"). I'd been in the job ...
Regarding Robin and Stan's "compensation" debate. Robin says: "such spatial inequalities are something that we will inherit from capitalism and you cant...
Hi Brian You raise many interesting points all of which I would go along with. Housing is by far the most striking example of the kind of spatial inequalities...
It was Bernard Shaw (I think) who first raised the objection to socialism that Robin is trying to answer (and getting himself into a tangle) by asking "Who...
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Robert Malone
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Aug 30, 2007 9:50 am
Hi All, we do need to consider that period of transition when people everywhere recognise that we cannot ignore the inequality that exists in the world today. ...
Hi Adam You are missing the point completely and Im certainly not "getting into a tangle". Im not concerned with WHO is going to live in the posh houses in...
Hi Bob ... those ... Quite. But I dont think its a question of "envy" which is predicated on the notion of status which, in capitalism, is determined by...
Hi all for what it's worth, the picture of Peoples' Commissars coming around with huddled groups of people to big houses and saying to the owner "this house...
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alan johnstone
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Aug 30, 2007 2:18 pm
In case some haven't recently clicked on to it , but the SPGB website has a new look . Not too bad an effort alan johnstone homepage:-...
Hi All: If socialism were to be adopted worldwide at relatively the same time can there be any doubt that people in present-day India or Indonesia wouldn't...
Graham: Considering all of the office buildings and skyscrapers that house capitalism's parasitic activities--insurance companies, banks, etc.--I suspect that...
Hi all the Dr.Zhivago reference was deliberate as we all know the sort of image anti-socialists have of housing in socialism. One of the housing problems I...
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Robert Malone
r.malone@...
Aug 31, 2007 11:38 am
Hi Robin, thank you for your thoughts on this, good to see you on the forum. I agree that there should be no need for envy when people are coming to terms with...
Very well written, Robert. Emmalee Robert Malone <r.malone@...> wrote: Hi Robin, thank you for your thoughts on this, good to see you on the forum. I...
