... ================ So, which road doesn't? And which organisations have brought socialism closer? Julian Vein __________ Information from ESET Smart...
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Hi all To avoid confusion I think it best that members of the WSM identify themselves with WSM at the end of each post, otherwise visitors to the forum might...
I thik I will second you on that, Danny. Graham (WSM/SPGB member) ps. It might also help if people put their troll filter on. Seems we have been attracting a...
That's a good idea Danny WSM, I am not a member. I applied to join, many years ago but was rejected, 12 to one against. My main reason for joining was to be...
... '> It's not obvious to you because you belong to a tiny party ... Can you point to any socialist organization that has NOT been utterly ineffectual? ...
... Where. Show it to me. ================================================ Lenny Flank "There are no loose threads in the web of life" Editor, Red and Black...
The concept of political party that Marx and Engels had was not the political institution per se, it is the movement of the working class toward a new society,...
Everyone, There is much confusion in the world right now. Humans are all too human, and they go their individualistic ways as much as they are able. It's not...
... Indeed. Socialism has been, by any measure, an utter abject failure. Mostly that is because socialists, of all stripes, don't say anything to workers...
... Lenny, A question, since every post you have ever put on this Forum, in every one of them you have ridiculed our efforts, and we are all utter, abject...
... That's right--my socialism is every bit as much an utter abject failure as yours. Of course, that neither surprises me nor alarms me, since I am a...
Guru: Hey guru, if political parties were ineffectual why do capitalism's political parties spend so much on campaigns, etc? This is B.S. and you know it!...
Lenny: I will agree with at least one of the implications of your objections: that the working class needs a worldwide revolutionary union organization that is...
Lenny: You haven't digested my past point on the materialist conception of history. This is certainly important to anyone like yourself claiming to be a...
... Nope. Wrong. Please don't presume to tell me what my view of history is. Stick to, um, telling the working class what it should be thinking and wanting. ...
... If your approach has failed, then you need a different approach, unless you want to keep failing. Whether or not anyone else has a more effective approach...
... I think what he meant was that socialist political parties are ineffectual at producing socialism. And he's right. What he neglects to mention, though, is...
Lenny: You still haven't answered another important part of one of my retorts: "Organizing the baristas at Starbucks might be a start but it hasn't expanded to...
Lenny: My conclusion is due to an analysis of your comments. Your certainty is a reflection of one to one to one, etc. This is typical of looking backward in...
... Workers in the US recognize, correctly, that the "labor movement" can't do anything for them under its current aims and goals. Companies here can close...
... Then you need a better analysis. (shrug) But then, you are pretty accustomed to telling other people what they should think, rather than listening to what...
Lenny, Have you read by chance some of the lit by "Openly Classist" (andy Andersons grouplet)? I believe they are defunct but they had the attitude that all...
http://www.worldsocialism.org/articles/two-class_society.php Where can they find the Middle class, back in the 18th century ? This is a society divided in two...
OK guys, now that is sorted out and we all know where we stand, can we all start again and discuss just what might have some real effect on the understanding...
Robert Owen had an idea for a World Union called "the Association of All Classes of All Nations". I thought that was interesting because although he ascribed...
... How much evidence do you want? Show me the party that, once in office, has solved unemployment? Reduced crime? Improved services? You can't do it. And...
... A thoughtful and thought-provoking piece. It's certainly true to say that Owen, like all would-be reformers of the system, wanted a capitalism with all...
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