Dear Wild Jungle,


Here is Bruce Bednar's reply about the identity of his mystery "N.
anamensis". Apparently, he received them with this label from Europe.
These plants were not collected from the Elephant Mountains as I previously
thought Bruce had so indicated. My mistake.

Anyway, this frees up the plant to be pretty much anything, and could very
well be a man-made hybrid involving _N. gracilis_ and _N. thorelii_. I'm
not sure why Bruce says they look like _N. mirabilis_ though as the leaves
are not petiolate. _N. mirabilis_ does have a very strong petiole rather
like _N. truncata_ or _N. maxima_. Also the lamia of the leaf blade is
strongly decurrent, similar fashion to both _N. gracilis_ and _N.
trichocarpa_.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dpevans/N_anamensis.htm


Dave Evans
New Jersey, USA
www.Dangerousplants.com


-----Original Message-----
From: bruce bednar [mailto:buellmyster@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 6:54 AM
To: dpevans@...
Subject: Re: N. anamensis

I think your into a can of worms looking for the CORRECT answer to what you
have will be difficult, as all us long term collectors have a different
opinion. Back in the late 70's, lots of thorelii were in everyones
collection, they were all mirabilis! Thorelii is out of Viet Nam and was
rare in the 80"s. Me and Clyde Bramblett brought in 100 plants of what was
at that time, keyed out as kampotiana from the Elephant Mts. In the 90's a
major TC lab crancked out 100's of N.thorelii and sold them, they in my
opinion were the true kampotiana. Anamensis was in the USA back in the 80's
but was a maroon leaved mirabilis that had real wavy foliage and a solid
green pitcher, later in the late 90's a new Anamensis arrived out of Europe,

the foliage looked like mirabilis, but the pitchers are short, squat and fat

with lots of speckling...this is what I'm selling as Anamensis, I do not
feel that is correct, but continue that name as it was on it when it
arrived! I've had N.smillisii since 1981, all the ones I've seen are just
plain old mirabilis...the guessing game goes on, good growing. (Non of the
mentioned species look like gracilis) Bruce Lee


----- Original Message -----
From: <dpevans@...>
To: "'bruce bednar'" <buellmyster@...>
Cc: <WildJungle@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: RE: N. anamensis


> Dear Bruce,
>
>
> I purchased a plant from Andreas Wistuba he calls _Nepenthes anamensis_,
> Andreas' plant is a different clone, but the same species as your
> _Nepenthes
> kampotiana_. All the information I've been able to find indicates both he
> and you have the correct species for both _N. kampotiana_ (yours) and _N.
> anamensis_ (his). Both of these species were previously named _N.
> smilesii_
> is 1895. I think we have a case in which both _N. thorelii_ and _N.
> smilesii_ are twin species rather similar to the situation we have with
> _N.
> lowii_ and _N. ephippiata_.
>
> Please see:
> http://www.nepenthesofthailand.com/Conclusionssofar.htm
> Main page:
> http://www.nepenthesofthailand.com/
>
>
> However, your "N. anamensis" is not a match for either and it is not a
> match
> for _N. mirabilis_, nor _N. thorelii_ and I would really like to figure
> out
> just what it is... So far the only species I can put it close to is _N.
> gracilis_--the way it vines out and grows with nearly the exact same
> pattern
> as _N. gracilis_ and _N. trichocarpa_. In fact, it is nearly a perfect
> match regarding the pitcher and leaf shape for _N. trichocarpa_! I have
> some photos of this plant, would you mind taking a look at them?
>
> Do you have any other mystery plants from Indochina available for
> purchase?
> So far I have two plants from your collection, _N. kampotiana_ and "N.
> anamensis". I wouldn't mind buying some more to help conserve and/or try
> to
> confirm the ID of these clones.
>
>
> Thank-you,
> Dave Evans
> New Jersey, USA
> www.Dangerousplants.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bruce bednar [mailto:buellmyster@...]
> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 6:45 AM
> To: dpevans@...
> Subject: Re: N. anamenis
>
> Dave; I do not have a location for the N.anamensis, the foliage looks like
> mirabilis right down the the leaf edge margin that is so typical of
> mirabilis, but the pitcher is squat, fat and and pink with light maroon
> speckling thats only present in colder months...have another mirabilis
> form that also speckles during the winter.