My
> problem with using the name
> is Dr. Schlauer did examine it and he is convinced
> it is _N. mirabilis_. We
> need a tie breaker; someone else besides for either
> Dr. Cheek or Dr.
> Schlauer to review it, yet again.

wow, this changes everything! I had no idea that
Schlauer had seen that same specimen! I thought
Schlauer was basing his thought on what Danser had
written in his monograph! If actually Schlauer and
Cheek have seen exactly the same specimen and they
can't agree about mirabilis or smilesii, there's not
much I can say!!! But I think: or that plant is REALLY
small, or yes, it could even be a hybrid!! But to have
doubts about chosing between these two species, a big
problem must exist! I mean, they are completely
different! Dave, can you give me any email, forum page
or document where Schlauer sais exactly what you say,
that he "saw the specimen" and he thinks it's
mirabilis. I still suspect that he's just referring us
what the most official idea (from Danser) is. Also
because as far as I know Schlauer never said anything
about all this matter since my website presented to a
larger audience the theory of M. Cheek. But that
doesn't mean much, of course.

.
>
> I think this specimen is deposited at Kew Gardens.

Ys it is. Before my next trip to Thailand I want to go
there and make many questions to Mr. Cheek, and see
all the thai nepenthes specimens at Kew, if possible
:)))

Baw Saw (I'm not sure if I wrote this in my last
update, I think so) is a place that now probably is in
Laos. The SAME year that the plant was found (!!!)
Thailand lost an enormous area on the other side of
the Mekong (Nam Kwang). As at least 3 smilesii
locations exist which are more or less on that "line"
(but on the thai side of the river) I think Baw Saw is
simply on the other side, which nowadays is laotian.
And the name could also be different. Baw Saw (Bride &
Bridegroom) in thai language is any place where
couples meet when thay are in love. There are many
small, natural places in Thailand with that name. All
these infos came from hours of exhausting conversation
with the people of the Thai Foreign Ministry, if I
well remember.

It's true, mirabilis and smilesii COULD grow together,
but personally I've never seen anything like that at
all the smilesii locations I've seen, plus I would
say, as far as I know, that in Thailand the only
natural hybrid at the moment is mirabilis x
ampullaria, even if more than those two species are
growing relatively close one to the other.

Again, as you agree with me about that, at this point
- considering how we defeated most of the confusion
about the rest of the problem - changing again the
name from smilesii to anamensis wouldn't be a big
problem :))))

Marcello

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