Hi,
I did some digging back into some old catalogues for another subject
and found that in '94 Wistuba was selling N. mirabilis "Smilesi" for
$15.00 and N. thorelii for $30.00 in '95. '96 he sold N. kampotiana for
$60.00 then in '97 N. anamensis for $40.00 and N.thorelii for $30.00.
'98 N. anamensis the same then in 2000 N. anamensis for $10.00 thru to
2004.
I found Kosobe Botanical Garden under I. Kusakabe crossing N. thorelii
from 1974 and on.
I found John deKanel selling in '96 N. thorelii from Phu Kadung starting
at $45.00 running to 2002 at $20.00.
Are these all the same clone with a different name?
Maybe they can verify where the IVM came from.
Is any of this material alive? Surely they sold some and someone has it.
Truly,
Tom

--- In WildJungle@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Evans" <dpevans@...>
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> Dear Marcello,
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> That is why I cross-posted these last few emails. If I have miss-wrote
what
> Jan Schlauer said, he will correct me. He wrote about it several year
ago,
> and it is somewhere is the CP digest. I might still have the emails
> somewhere, if I find it, I will forward to you.
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> Dave Evans
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> www.dangerousplants.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WildJungle@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:WildJungle@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of marcello catalano
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: WildJungle@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [WildJungle] RE: Thai species and herbarium specimens
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>
>
> My
> > problem with using the name
> > is Dr. Schlauer did examine it and he is convinced
> > it is _N. mirabilis_. We
> > need a tie breaker; someone else besides for either
> > Dr. Cheek or Dr.
> > Schlauer to review it, yet again.
>
> wow, this changes everything! I had no idea that
> Schlauer had seen that same specimen! I thought
> Schlauer was basing his thought on what Danser had
> written in his monograph! If actually Schlauer and
> Cheek have seen exactly the same specimen and they
> can't agree about mirabilis or smilesii, there's not
> much I can say!!! But I think: or that plant is REALLY
> small, or yes, it could even be a hybrid!! But to have
> doubts about chosing between these two species, a big
> problem must exist! I mean, they are completely
> different! Dave, can you give me any email, forum page
> or document where Schlauer sais exactly what you say,
> that he "saw the specimen" and he thinks it's
> mirabilis. I still suspect that he's just referring us
> what the most official idea (from Danser) is. Also
> because as far as I know Schlauer never said anything
> about all this matter since my website presented to a
> larger audience the theory of M. Cheek. But that
> doesn't mean much, of course.
>
> .
> >
> > I think this specimen is deposited at Kew Gardens.
>
> Ys it is. Before my next trip to Thailand I want to go
> there and make many questions to Mr. Cheek, and see
> all the thai nepenthes specimens at Kew, if possible
> :)))
>
> Baw Saw (I'm not sure if I wrote this in my last
> update, I think so) is a place that now probably is in
> Laos. The SAME year that the plant was found (!!!)
> Thailand lost an enormous area on the other side of
> the Mekong (Nam Kwang). As at least 3 smilesii
> locations exist which are more or less on that "line"
> (but on the thai side of the river) I think Baw Saw is
> simply on the other side, which nowadays is laotian.
> And the name could also be different. Baw Saw (Bride &
> Bridegroom) in thai language is any place where
> couples meet when thay are in love. There are many
> small, natural places in Thailand with that name. All
> these infos came from hours of exhausting conversation
> with the people of the Thai Foreign Ministry, if I
> well remember.
>
> It's true, mirabilis and smilesii COULD grow together,
> but personally I've never seen anything like that at
> all the smilesii locations I've seen, plus I would
> say, as far as I know, that in Thailand the only
> natural hybrid at the moment is mirabilis x
> ampullaria, even if more than those two species are
> growing relatively close one to the other.
>
> Again, as you agree with me about that, at this point
> - considering how we defeated most of the confusion
> about the rest of the problem - changing again the
> name from smilesii to anamensis wouldn't be a big
> problem :))))
>
> Marcello
>
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