I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site, but
thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by that
name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is useless,
since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite mail page
supposed to be?
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...




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Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page.  I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me.  On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am:  Offline".  It's right below my folders section.  I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't.  Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...

I used http://Babelfish.Yahoo.com to translate this and it roughly
translates to...

"j' well that you would like m' write in French I will be delighted. Thank
you"

I knew the "Merci" and "francais" words... but the rest was Greek to me. LOL

Lenny Vasbinder
Fish Blog - http://GoldLenny.blogspot.com
(Links to any articles referenced in above reply are listed on the right
side, alphabetically under Labels and also under Archives by Year, Month)


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Lebrun
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:22 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re : [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...



j'aimerais bien que tu m'ecris en francais je serai ravi. Merci


________________________________

De : Annastasia <annastasiagrace@...> À :
Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com Envoyé le : Lun 9 Novembre 2009, 1 h 47 min
33 s Objet : [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...



I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@ yahoo.com <mailto:AnnastasiaGrace%40yahoo.com>
, preventing me from accessing it myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@ymail. com
<mailto:Tamron1970%40ymail.com>  for the Freecycle email listserv, and
decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought I would try
signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I could, and
still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available in my
friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@ yahoo.com <mailto:AnnastasiaGrace%40yahoo.com>

Sent on the SprintÂź Now Network from my BlackBerryÂź

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on the
mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but it's not
working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia," is
the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu appears with
these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it)
Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger. *shrug*
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page.  I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me.  On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am:  Offline".  It's right below my folders section.  I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't.  Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...




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OK.  Your description of where it's at is different but since you are
looking at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted
differently.  I have the same four options but mine reads Offline and there
is no check mark in front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold
where the other words are not in bold.  Well, at least, I think we have
eliminated that as a possible culprit.  That *feature* has been causing fits
for lots of YM users until they learn that they can't be signed into both at
the same time and have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
in order to use YM standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into?  Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID.  Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com.  At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments.  I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now.  I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page.  I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me.  On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am:  Offline".  It's right below my folders section.  I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't.  Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference in
the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself into and
out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and no difference.
Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or access one; I don't see
how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site on my BB that would require
a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times since
this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try to
get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset, but no
help. :(
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK.  Your description of where it's at is different but since you are
looking at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted
differently.  I have the same four options but mine reads Offline and there
is no check mark in front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold
where the other words are not in bold.  Well, at least, I think we have
eliminated that as a possible culprit.  That *feature* has been causing fits
for lots of YM users until they learn that they can't be signed into both at
the same time and have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
in order to use YM standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into?  Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID.  Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com.  At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments.  I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now.  I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page.  I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me.  On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am:  Offline".  It's right below my folders section.  I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't.  Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...



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OK.  I was just re-reading this thread to try and get some new direction and
I wanted to double-check some things and throw out some other possibilities.


In your original post, you said...

"I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or some bug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.

I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list."
(END SNIP)

As I re-read this, it does look like someone else might be using your Yahoo
ID but they haven't changed your password... at least I don't think they
have... since you are able to sign in for a few seconds before you then get
booted, which means they are probably seeing this same activity... that is,
when you sign in, it boots them and then they re-sign in which boots you,
etc., etc.  This could be intentional on their part or it could just be that
you, or someone who knows your info, signed in on YM on a computer and the
preferences are set to automatically sign in so when it gets booted, it
automatically signs itself back in, booting you... and the cycle continues.
I think this is most likely, because, if it was a malicious hijack of your
ID, they would have changed your password already.

Try this... try to sign into another Yahoo service, like Yahoo Mail, with
your *hijacked* ID and intentionally use a bogus password... or maybe there
is already the link for "Forgot Your Password?" and if there is, click on
that and get a new password.  Make sure your secondary email account, that
should be associated with the Yahoo account, is accessible before you do
this or the new password will not be retrievable.  You did mention that you
did the password reset and it didn't boot that doesn't sound right.  Did you
already do the above and click the link... "Forgot Your Password?" or did
you use another method?

One other thing that just popped into my head...

When you created the new Yahoo ID, did you create it from scratch or could
it possibly be an alias of your primary ID?  I thought Yahoo got rid of the
use of aliases but maybe not.  I know that I have two aliases (that can be
used in YM or Chat Rooms) that are tied to my primary Yahoo ID and I still
can use them in YM or Chat Rooms but even if I'm signed into one of them, I
still show up as signed in on my primary account as well.  A couple of years
ago, Yahoo allowed people to use aliases and they had completely different
profiles and didn't show up as linked together, except to the user but now
the aliases profile is the same as the primary Yahoo ID and then shows the
primary Yahoo ID in the URL also, so it's not as easy to hide behind an
alias.  Of course, one can still have multiple Yahoo ID's if they log out of
their primary ID (maybe have to clear their cookies) and then go to a Yahoo
site and sign up for a new ID.  If the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
ID, that could explain why you are seeing yourself online when you are
logged into the Tamron ID.

Instead of emailing Yahoo Customer Care, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS that I gave
for Sarah Bacon, an actual real person who is the head of Yahoo Messenger...
and include this entire thread.

I also just sent an IM to each of the ID's you listed to see if I get a bite
from anyone that might be using your ID.  I also clicked the "View Profile"
links and it does not look like the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
AnnastasiaGrace ID.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:13 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference
in the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself
into and out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and
no difference. Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or
access one; I don't see how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site
on my BB that would require a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times
since this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try
to get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset,
but no help. :( Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK.  Your description of where it's at is different but since you are
looking at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted
differently.  I have the same four options but mine reads Offline and there
is no check mark in front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold
where the other words are not in bold.  Well, at least, I think we have
eliminated that as a possible culprit.  That *feature* has been causing fits
for lots of YM users until they learn that they can't be signed into both at
the same time and have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
in order to use YM standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into?  Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID.  Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com.  At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments.  I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now.  I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page.  I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me.  On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am:  Offline".  It's right below my folders section.  I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't.  Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into.  I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not.  Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well.  Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen.  You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well.  This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider.  I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites.   I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's.  Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's.  Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone.  The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above.  While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site.  It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to  link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the  password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them  off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...

Just forwarding the below YM Blog alert.  As usual, you will have to go to
the YMessengerBlog link (below) for pictures and live links.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
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important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo! Alerts [mailto:alerts@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:01 PM
To: lnvtm1@...
Subject: Y! Alert: Yahoo! Messenger Blog

Having fun with effects in video calls
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2009/11/09/having-fun-with-video-calls/

While the new video calling feature in Yahoo! Messenger 10 is great all on
its own, you can liven up your video calls even more with special effects.

Many of the popular webcams come bundled with free software that lets you
add effects, backgrounds, or accessories to your video calls. Imagine
talking to a friend and all of a sudden you grow a goatee and moustache.

Or perhaps you feel more comfortable talking as a cat. Pick an Avatar from
your webcam software and start meowing.

Some webcams also offer filters that change the color of your window,
distort your face in hilarious ways, or make you look like you're in a
vintage movie.

Here are the basic steps for how to add special effects to your video calls:


1) Make sure that you have installed the manufacturer's software that came
with your webcam. It should be on the CD that came with your webcam. Or
visit the webcam manufacturer's website.

2) Start a video call with a friend in Yahoo! Messenger 10

3) Bring up the control panel for your webcam. On the panel there should be
a section or icons for the special effects. Select the one you want and
start goofing!

What video effects are available with a webcam varies by type of camera and
the manufacturer. But here are a few links from some top webcam makers that
detail how to use their video effects:

Logitech
Creative
Microsoft (pdf)

Have you used video effects on your calls? What are some of your favorites?

Sarah Bacon
Product Manager

I've heard of Yahoo deactivating Yahoo Mail accounts (maybe after 6 months
of no logging into mail) but not an actual Yahoo ID.  The actual Yahoo ID
should still exist.  If you did not sign into your Yahoo Mail for a long
time, you may reactivate it by signing in again... but I think you might
have lost any old emails that were in your inbox or folders.

If this is not your issue, give us more info and details.

Or, in re-reading your post, are you unable to sign into the melsheshtawy
account because you lost your password?

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mohamed elsheshtawy
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:14 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] (unknown)



hi yahoo group:\
                         my yahoo id (melsheshtawy) is deactive in 3  weeks
ago and i need your help to active this account because is so important to
me

 

dear yahoo groups, i need to ask you where can i find definition, kinds, or types of assessment?

See below YM Alert from the YMessengerBlog.  ALSO... when I uninstalled the
BETA version, the uninstaller failed in the middle.  I then used Revo
Uninstaller which was able to complete the job and get rid of a lot of the
other junk that a *normal* uninstaller leaves behind.  I still had to run
CCleaner's Registry Cleaner and WinASO Registry Optimizer to finish the job.
Then a quick reboot and downloaded and installed the latest version (which
they say is a "Final Version" but we all know, there's no such thing as a
final version of any computer program... unless the company goes out of
business or something.

ALSO... read all the comments on the link (below) as there are still some
issues with YM 10.0x (first version out of BETA).  I'm trying it since I
decided to do the BETA testing but from the comments, I'm not feeling real
good right now.  I'll be installing it shortly from the FULL download
version from FileHippo (link below) so maybe I'll have better luck than some
of the comment(ors).

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo! Alerts [mailto:alerts@...]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:00 PM
To: lnvtm1@...
Subject: Y! Alert: Yahoo! Messenger Blog


Yahoo! Messenger 10: Final version now available
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2009/11/12/yahoo-messenger-10-final-versi
on-now-available/

Thanks to all of you who tried out Yahoo! Messenger 10 during the Beta
period and provided feedback about your experience.

As of today, Yahoo! Messenger 10 is no longer in Beta. You can download the
final version from our website . This latest version (10.0.0.1102)
incorporates many bug fixes, including some related to our new video call
feature. We've also improved the overall stability of the product.

If you're a Windows 7 user, you'll be glad to know this version is
compatible with the new operating system.

Below is a summary of the features that are in Yahoo! Messenger 10 . Be sure
to watch the demo video at the end of this article for a quick tour.

High-quality video calls
We've completely redesigned our 1:1 webcam feature (under the hood too). Now
you can make a high-quality video call to a friend with synched audio, right
in the IM window. Features include the ability to swap video windows,
position the video windows side-by-side, mute the call or place it on hold.
You can even go full-screen with your video call. To get started, click the
new "Video Call" button in the IM window (your friend also needs to be on
Yahoo! Messenger 10). Tips for making video calls | Having fun with video
effects

New "Y! Updates" view of your contact list
People are busy these days, doing all sorts of interesting things online. To
help you keep up with your friends, we added an alternate view of your
contact list that shows a real-time stream of their updates, including
Messenger status message changes. If they've opted-in to share their updates
via Yahoo!, you'll be able to see what they're saying on Twitter, reading on
Yahoo! Buzz, listening to on last.fm, and more. We also added additional
features for how and when you see your friends' updates. When a new update
comes in, a "toast" alert will pop up in the lower right corner of your
screen. If you want to disable these, go to Messenger > Preferences > Yahoo!
Updates. You can turn alerts on and off and even update preferences by
contact or by type of update.

Find more to chat about
Within the new "Yahoo! Updates" view, you're sure to find more to talk about
with your friends. To make it easy, we added a hover menu that lets you
quickly IM a friend about their update. When you do, the update appears
inline in the conversation window, so when you start your IM with "I can't
believe you like this song!", your friend will know what you're talking
about. Note that your friend needs to also be on Yahoo! Messenger 10 to see
the update inline.

Change your language easily
If you use the U.S. version but wish it could be in your local language,
you're in luck. When you start up Yahoo! Messenger 10, you'll notice a new
language menu on the sign-in screen. Choose from 16 different languages and
the buttons, menus and various parts of the interface will change to that
language. If you're already signed in, you can also change your language
under Messenger > Preferences > Language (you'll have to restart Yahoo!
Messenger for it to take effect).

Download Yahoo! Messenger 10 (LV comment: Better to get the FULL download
from http://www.filehippo.com/download_yahoo_messenger/

As with any new release, we welcome your feedback about what's working well
for you and what's not. After using Yahoo! Messenger 10 for a bit, go to the
Help menu and select "Send Feedback" to get started.

Sarah Bacon
Product Manager

Lenny, I have been trying to respond to your post on the 10th (3 days ago), but
for some reason my reply function is only allowing me to save a draft, but won't
let me send it, so this is my response to your post:
Tamron1970@... was created specifically for my Freecycle listserv, and
AnnastasiaGrace@... was created seperately, so they are not technically
aliases of each other. I just linked them through the friends list, not even
sure why, but glad I did.
The signing in and getting booted in a couple seconds was what it was doing 2
weeks ago before I changed my password 4 different times using the "Forgot you
password?" link, and checking the box for "my account may have been
compromised."
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

I realize you do not have a computer and rely on your BB but is there a way
that you can use a friend's or relative's computer and sign into the real YM
(instead of the Mobile App)?

I just happened to create a new Yahoo ID for my business, mainly for using
another Yahoo service, NOT Yahoo Mail, since I use Gmail, but something I
noticed was that as soon as I went to Yahoo Mail to click one of the verify
emails, I noticed that BY DEFAULT, it signed into the YM Chat feature in
Yahoo Mail and it booted that ID off of the regular YM.  I had to go into
the YM Chat feature in Yahoo Mail and mark it OFFLINE.  I do not know why
Yahoo did this to people.  This feature has been causing more people grief
with the regular YM until they find out that this feature is the cause of
their getting booted.  I was able to test that when the Yahoo Mail YM chat
feature was logged on, and I logged into the regular YM, it did sign me out
of the Yahoo Mail YM chat feature... so at least that's an improvement BUT
if folks do not make it permanently offline, then each time they sign into a
Yahoo online service, they may sign themselves out of the regular YM
program.  Another thing I noticed is that by default, the new enhanced Yahoo
Mail comes up so I had to click on the link to change to Yahoo Mail Classic

Now, all that said, this is why I'd like for you to be on a real computer,
just so we could compare apples to apples (not the computer company.... lol)
and be able to isolate if this is something related to your mobile app or
not.  It's quite possible that the mobile app is somehow keeping you signed
into both ID's.  I noticed, when setting up my new Yahoo ID, that it asked
me for a mobile number to link to.  I did not provide this info since I do
not use Mobile YM anyhow and possibly because of the issues I see in this
group.

There is also a box that can be checked off to allow Yahoo to show you as
online on websites (such as this group, in the Members section, where you
can see a lit up smiley face next to people who are logged onto yahoo at the
time) and while this feature seems OK, I'm wondering if this isn't what you
are seeing, maybe because both ID's are linked to your mobile number (on
your BB) so when your BB is on, it's showing both ID's as being online
because the phone is online???

Maybe, if you go into your Yahoo Account settings and your Yahoo Messenger
preferences and dis-associate your mobile number with both accounts,
especially the part where YM automatically signs you into the Mobile App
when you sign out of the main YM, as this could be what is causing your
issues... if it's not a defect in the Mobile App itself... with it showing
you signed in on both accounts at the same time.  BTW... when you are signed
in on the AG account, does it show the Tamron account as signed on also?

I know... a lot more theories and questions, rather than answers but I'm
just trying to figure this out by eliminating all of the other possibilities
since no quick-fix is apparent.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Lenny, I have been trying to respond to your post on the 10th (3 days ago),
but for some reason my reply function is only allowing me to save a draft,
but won't let me send it, so this is my response to your post:
Tamron1970@... was created specifically for my Freecycle listserv, and
AnnastasiaGrace@... was created seperately, so they are not
technically aliases of each other. I just linked them through the friends
list, not even sure why, but glad I did.
The signing in and getting booted in a couple seconds was what it was doing
2 weeks ago before I changed my password 4 different times using the "Forgot
you password?" link, and checking the box for "my account may have been
compromised."
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

------------------------------------

Lenny previously said:

RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...


OK. I was just re-reading this thread to try and get some new direction and
I wanted to double-check some things and throw out some other possibilities.


In your original post, you said...

"I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or some bug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.

I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list."
(END SNIP)

As I re-read this, it does look like someone else might be using your Yahoo
ID but they haven't changed your password... at least I don't think they
have... since you are able to sign in for a few seconds before you then get
booted, which means they are probably seeing this same activity... that is,
when you sign in, it boots them and then they re-sign in which boots you,
etc., etc. This could be intentional on their part or it could just be that
you, or someone who knows your info, signed in on YM on a computer and the
preferences are set to automatically sign in so when it gets booted, it
automatically signs itself back in, booting you... and the cycle continues.
I think this is most likely, because, if it was a malicious hijack of your
ID, they would have changed your password already.

Try this... try to sign into another Yahoo service, like Yahoo Mail, with
your *hijacked* ID and intentionally use a bogus password... or maybe there
is already the link for "Forgot Your Password?" and if there is, click on
that and get a new password. Make sure your secondary email account, that
should be associated with the Yahoo account, is accessible before you do
this or the new password will not be retrievable. You did mention that you
did the password reset and it didn't boot that doesn't sound right. Did you
already do the above and click the link... "Forgot Your Password?" or did
you use another method?

One other thing that just popped into my head...

When you created the new Yahoo ID, did you create it from scratch or could
it possibly be an alias of your primary ID? I thought Yahoo got rid of the
use of aliases but maybe not. I know that I have two aliases (that can be
used in YM or Chat Rooms) that are tied to my primary Yahoo ID and I still
can use them in YM or Chat Rooms but even if I'm signed into one of them, I
still show up as signed in on my primary account as well. A couple of years
ago, Yahoo allowed people to use aliases and they had completely different
profiles and didn't show up as linked together, except to the user but now
the aliases profile is the same as the primary Yahoo ID and then shows the
primary Yahoo ID in the URL also, so it's not as easy to hide behind an
alias. Of course, one can still have multiple Yahoo ID's if they log out of
their primary ID (maybe have to clear their cookies) and then go to a Yahoo
site and sign up for a new ID. If the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
ID, that could explain why you are seeing yourself online when you are
logged into the Tamron ID.

Instead of emailing Yahoo Customer Care, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS that I gave
for Sarah Bacon, an actual real person who is the head of Yahoo Messenger...
and include this entire thread.

I also just sent an IM to each of the ID's you listed to see if I get a bite
from anyone that might be using your ID. I also clicked the "View Profile"
links and it does not look like the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
AnnastasiaGrace ID.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:13 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference
in the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself
into and out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and
no difference. Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or
access one; I don't see how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site
on my BB that would require a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times
since this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try
to get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset,
but no help. :( Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK. Your description of where it's at is different but since you are
looking at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted
differently. I have the same four options but mine reads Offline and there
is no check mark in front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold
where the other words are not in bold. Well, at least, I think we have
eliminated that as a possible culprit. That *feature* has been causing fits
for lots of YM users until they learn that they can't be signed into both at
the same time and have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
in order to use YM standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into? Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID. Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com. At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments. I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now. I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page. I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me. On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am: Offline". It's right below my folders section. I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't. Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into. I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not. Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well. Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen. You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well. This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider. I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites. I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's. Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's. Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone. The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above. While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site. It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...

Weird, reply function seems to be working again. *shrug* Thank you for all your
help. The strangest thing just happened, I signed in under Tamron and AG was
offline for the first time in 3 weeks. So I signed out of Tam and into AG and
grabbed it back. Yay! Still at a loss as to what happened, but hopefully it will
stay that way now...knocking wood and offering prayers to St. Isadore of
Seville, the patron saint of the internet.
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:12:26
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I realize you do not have a computer and rely on your BB but is there a way
that you can use a friend's or relative's computer and sign into the real YM
(instead of the Mobile App)?

I just happened to create a new Yahoo ID for my business, mainly for using
another Yahoo service, NOT Yahoo Mail, since I use Gmail, but something I
noticed was that as soon as I went to Yahoo Mail to click one of the verify
emails, I noticed that BY DEFAULT, it signed into the YM Chat feature in
Yahoo Mail and it booted that ID off of the regular YM.  I had to go into
the YM Chat feature in Yahoo Mail and mark it OFFLINE.  I do not know why
Yahoo did this to people.  This feature has been causing more people grief
with the regular YM until they find out that this feature is the cause of
their getting booted.  I was able to test that when the Yahoo Mail YM chat
feature was logged on, and I logged into the regular YM, it did sign me out
of the Yahoo Mail YM chat feature... so at least that's an improvement BUT
if folks do not make it permanently offline, then each time they sign into a
Yahoo online service, they may sign themselves out of the regular YM
program.  Another thing I noticed is that by default, the new enhanced Yahoo
Mail comes up so I had to click on the link to change to Yahoo Mail Classic

Now, all that said, this is why I'd like for you to be on a real computer,
just so we could compare apples to apples (not the computer company.... lol)
and be able to isolate if this is something related to your mobile app or
not.  It's quite possible that the mobile app is somehow keeping you signed
into both ID's.  I noticed, when setting up my new Yahoo ID, that it asked
me for a mobile number to link to.  I did not provide this info since I do
not use Mobile YM anyhow and possibly because of the issues I see in this
group.

There is also a box that can be checked off to allow Yahoo to show you as
online on websites (such as this group, in the Members section, where you
can see a lit up smiley face next to people who are logged onto yahoo at the
time) and while this feature seems OK, I'm wondering if this isn't what you
are seeing, maybe because both ID's are linked to your mobile number (on
your BB) so when your BB is on, it's showing both ID's as being online
because the phone is online???

Maybe, if you go into your Yahoo Account settings and your Yahoo Messenger
preferences and dis-associate your mobile number with both accounts,
especially the part where YM automatically signs you into the Mobile App
when you sign out of the main YM, as this could be what is causing your
issues... if it's not a defect in the Mobile App itself... with it showing
you signed in on both accounts at the same time.  BTW... when you are signed
in on the AG account, does it show the Tamron account as signed on also?

I know... a lot more theories and questions, rather than answers but I'm
just trying to figure this out by eliminating all of the other possibilities
since no quick-fix is apparent.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Lenny, I have been trying to respond to your post on the 10th (3 days ago),
but for some reason my reply function is only allowing me to save a draft,
but won't let me send it, so this is my response to your post:
Tamron1970@... was created specifically for my Freecycle listserv, and
AnnastasiaGrace@... was created seperately, so they are not
technically aliases of each other. I just linked them through the friends
list, not even sure why, but glad I did.
The signing in and getting booted in a couple seconds was what it was doing
2 weeks ago before I changed my password 4 different times using the "Forgot
you password?" link, and checking the box for "my account may have been
compromised."
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

------------------------------------

Lenny previously said:

RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...


OK. I was just re-reading this thread to try and get some new direction and
I wanted to double-check some things and throw out some other possibilities.


In your original post, you said...

"I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or some bug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.

I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list."
(END SNIP)

As I re-read this, it does look like someone else might be using your Yahoo
ID but they haven't changed your password... at least I don't think they
have... since you are able to sign in for a few seconds before you then get
booted, which means they are probably seeing this same activity... that is,
when you sign in, it boots them and then they re-sign in which boots you,
etc., etc. This could be intentional on their part or it could just be that
you, or someone who knows your info, signed in on YM on a computer and the
preferences are set to automatically sign in so when it gets booted, it
automatically signs itself back in, booting you... and the cycle continues.
I think this is most likely, because, if it was a malicious hijack of your
ID, they would have changed your password already.

Try this... try to sign into another Yahoo service, like Yahoo Mail, with
your *hijacked* ID and intentionally use a bogus password... or maybe there
is already the link for "Forgot Your Password?" and if there is, click on
that and get a new password. Make sure your secondary email account, that
should be associated with the Yahoo account, is accessible before you do
this or the new password will not be retrievable. You did mention that you
did the password reset and it didn't boot that doesn't sound right. Did you
already do the above and click the link... "Forgot Your Password?" or did
you use another method?

One other thing that just popped into my head...

When you created the new Yahoo ID, did you create it from scratch or could
it possibly be an alias of your primary ID? I thought Yahoo got rid of the
use of aliases but maybe not. I know that I have two aliases (that can be
used in YM or Chat Rooms) that are tied to my primary Yahoo ID and I still
can use them in YM or Chat Rooms but even if I'm signed into one of them, I
still show up as signed in on my primary account as well. A couple of years
ago, Yahoo allowed people to use aliases and they had completely different
profiles and didn't show up as linked together, except to the user but now
the aliases profile is the same as the primary Yahoo ID and then shows the
primary Yahoo ID in the URL also, so it's not as easy to hide behind an
alias. Of course, one can still have multiple Yahoo ID's if they log out of
their primary ID (maybe have to clear their cookies) and then go to a Yahoo
site and sign up for a new ID. If the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
ID, that could explain why you are seeing yourself online when you are
logged into the Tamron ID.

Instead of emailing Yahoo Customer Care, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS that I gave
for Sarah Bacon, an actual real person who is the head of Yahoo Messenger...
and include this entire thread.

I also just sent an IM to each of the ID's you listed to see if I get a bite
from anyone that might be using your ID. I also clicked the "View Profile"
links and it does not look like the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
AnnastasiaGrace ID.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:13 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference
in the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself
into and out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and
no difference. Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or
access one; I don't see how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site
on my BB that would require a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times
since this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try
to get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset,
but no help. :( Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK. Your description of where it's at is different but since you are
looking at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted
differently. I have the same four options but mine reads Offline and there
is no check mark in front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold
where the other words are not in bold. Well, at least, I think we have
eliminated that as a possible culprit. That *feature* has been causing fits
for lots of YM users until they learn that they can't be signed into both at
the same time and have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
in order to use YM standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into? Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID. Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com. At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments. I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now. I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page. I'm
not sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular
computer, then you would see it and you could then change your status so you
are not signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in
automatically any longer... at least it doesn't for me. On my Yahoo Mail
page, it's a little blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it
says "I am: Offline". It's right below my folders section. I sign into
Yahoo Mail on the webpage titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that
there is an upgraded version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks
computers to use the upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for
occasional stuff and 99% of the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes
it into my inbox even though it shouldn't. Yahoo spam filters are junk
compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into. I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not. Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well. Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen. You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well. This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider. I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites. I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's. Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's. Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone. The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above. While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site. It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it
myself with my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...



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Yep... sometimes things can be just a quirk on Yahoo servers or a software
glitch.  You know, something I don't think that I mentioned in all of this
was rebooting your computer.. or in your case, your BB.  Sometimes a reboot
will fix things that otherwise elude logic.  Did you happen to reboot your
BB and possibly that fixed it?

Is St. Isidore of Seville really the patron Saint of the internet?  I'm
Catholic and that's a new one on me, although I'll admit to not being as
learned about all of the Saints as maybe I should be.  It seems that my New
Orleans Saints are getting more of my attention lately, than our Catholic
Saints.  Since I was intrigued, I had to start doing some research and I'm
still not sure what to think.  Read on.

According to this Wikipedia article, he was proposed for this in 2003 but
was not the top vote getter, but the article does not mention who was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Seville

"In 2003 he was proposed as the patron saint of the Internet, but was not
among the top six vote totals in an Italian Internet poll.[6] The University
of Dayton has named their implementation of the Sakai Project in honor of
Saint Isidore."
(END SNIP)

If you can cite me some accurate/verifiable references, I'd be more than
happy to update the Wikipedia article.

Some sites found with a Google search claim he is but others only mention
the nomination and proposal but not who the winner was.

I also did a Google search of Vatican.va, which I believe is the official
Vatican site and could not find the answer.  Even on this page, about Saint
Isidore, there is no mention of the internet (I did a Edit>Find search of
the page and No Matches for "internet").

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_b
en-xvi_aud_20080618_en.html

These snips, off of this site,
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/12/8342.ars, seem to contradict each
other, with an earlier part claiming he was and the other later section,
only claiming he was nominated.

"Boston College recently relocated its data center into an old seminary
dormitory formerly owned by the Catholic Church. This would hardly be news,
except for the fact that the data center's new digs contain a stained-glass
window of St. Isidore, the patron saint of the Internet. The Boston Globe,
which reported the story, notes that it was a coincidence-16 saints appear
in the dormitory windows, where they have held their holy vigil for many
years."

"Still, Isidore tried, and his attempt to catalogue human knowledge helped
his nomination to become the patron saint of the Internet. The Vatican
actually has quite an interest in the Internet; beside approving St.
Isidore, their Pontifical Council for Social Communications has also issued
documents about Internet ethics and sent a representative to last year's
WSIS meeting in Tunis."
(END SNIPS)

This Boston Globe newspaper article, referenced in the above ArsTechnica
page, claims he is but does not cite a reference either.
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2006/12/internet_saint.html?p1=MEWell_
Pos4

This page, https://isidore.udayton.edu/portal, refers to Saint Isidore as
"the patron saint of students and schoolchildren and recently recommended
for patronage of computers and the Internet" but nothing to confirm.

Compiling info from the above, I did additional searches on Vatican.va with
the key words, 'social communication isidore', 'saint isidore of seville'
and other searches and I could not find anything confirming that he is the
patron saint of the internet.

A further search of just Wikipedia found nothing to confirm.

This Catholic Encyclopedia article on St. Isidore of Seville,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08186a.htm, also does not mention him being
the patron saint of the internet.

This page, http://www.st-isidore.org/aims.html, stating a year of 2000 (so a
few years before the 2003 date) says:

"The Order was formed on 1st January 2000 to:

Celebrate the beginning of Christ's Third Millennium

Honor Saint Isidore of Seville as the Patron Saint of the Internet (LV added
- Honor does not mean that he actually is... this was comparable to a
lobbying effort by this group)

Promote the ideals of Christian chivalry through the medium of the Internet"
(END SNIP)

This article on the same site, http://www.st-isidore.org/isidore.html, does
not mention the internet at all.

This 2003 CNN article also does not clarify things.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/31/internet.saint/

This 2006 Telegraph (UK) article,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3654846/Patron-saint-of-the-interne
t.html, also does not clarify things although the title of the article says,
"Patron saint of the internet" but then in reading the article, it only
references nomination, not actual confirmation.

This short article and prayer says, "Saint Isidore... *proposed* Patron
Saint of Internet Users".
http://www.catholic.org/saints/isidore.php

All said, there certainly wasn't anything wrong with an intercessory prayer
request to St. Isidore and it certainly seems like it helped.  Maybe you
should notify the Vatican to include your little *miracle* as more evidence
in favor of St. Isidore's nomination for Patron Saint Of The Internet.  As
far as I can see, one has not been confirmed at this time.

Let me know if you find anything different as I would like to update his
Wikipedia page, if applicable.

Lenny Vasbinder
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Weird, reply function seems to be working again. *shrug* Thank you for all
your help. The strangest thing just happened, I signed in under Tamron and
AG was offline for the first time in 3 weeks. So I signed out of Tam and
into AG and grabbed it back. Yay! Still at a loss as to what happened, but
hopefully it will stay that way now...knocking wood and offering prayers to
St. Isadore of Seville, the patron saint of the internet.
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:12:26
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I realize you do not have a computer and rely on your BB but is there a way
that you can use a friend's or relative's computer and sign into the real YM
(instead of the Mobile App)?

I just happened to create a new Yahoo ID for my business, mainly for using
another Yahoo service, NOT Yahoo Mail, since I use Gmail, but something I
noticed was that as soon as I went to Yahoo Mail to click one of the verify
emails, I noticed that BY DEFAULT, it signed into the YM Chat feature in
Yahoo Mail and it booted that ID off of the regular YM.  I had to go into
the YM Chat feature in Yahoo Mail and mark it OFFLINE.  I do not know why
Yahoo did this to people.  This feature has been causing more people grief
with the regular YM until they find out that this feature is the cause of
their getting booted.  I was able to test that when the Yahoo Mail YM chat
feature was logged on, and I logged into the regular YM, it did sign me out
of the Yahoo Mail YM chat feature... so at least that's an improvement BUT
if folks do not make it permanently offline, then each time they sign into a
Yahoo online service, they may sign themselves out of the regular YM
program.  Another thing I noticed is that by default, the new enhanced Yahoo
Mail comes up so I had to click on the link to change to Yahoo Mail Classic

Now, all that said, this is why I'd like for you to be on a real computer,
just so we could compare apples to apples (not the computer company.... lol)
and be able to isolate if this is something related to your mobile app or
not.  It's quite possible that the mobile app is somehow keeping you signed
into both ID's.  I noticed, when setting up my new Yahoo ID, that it asked
me for a mobile number to link to.  I did not provide this info since I do
not use Mobile YM anyhow and possibly because of the issues I see in this
group.

There is also a box that can be checked off to allow Yahoo to show you as
online on websites (such as this group, in the Members section, where you
can see a lit up smiley face next to people who are logged onto yahoo at the
time) and while this feature seems OK, I'm wondering if this isn't what you
are seeing, maybe because both ID's are linked to your mobile number (on
your BB) so when your BB is on, it's showing both ID's as being online
because the phone is online???

Maybe, if you go into your Yahoo Account settings and your Yahoo Messenger
preferences and dis-associate your mobile number with both accounts,
especially the part where YM automatically signs you into the Mobile App
when you sign out of the main YM, as this could be what is causing your
issues... if it's not a defect in the Mobile App itself... with it showing
you signed in on both accounts at the same time.  BTW... when you are signed
in on the AG account, does it show the Tamron account as signed on also?

I know... a lot more theories and questions, rather than answers but I'm
just trying to figure this out by eliminating all of the other possibilities
since no quick-fix is apparent.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
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computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Lenny, I have been trying to respond to your post on the 10th (3 days ago),
but for some reason my reply function is only allowing me to save a draft,
but won't let me send it, so this is my response to your post:
Tamron1970@... was created specifically for my Freecycle listserv, and
AnnastasiaGrace@... was created seperately, so they are not
technically aliases of each other. I just linked them through the friends
list, not even sure why, but glad I did.
The signing in and getting booted in a couple seconds was what it was doing
2 weeks ago before I changed my password 4 different times using the "Forgot
you password?" link, and checking the box for "my account may have been
compromised."
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

------------------------------------

Lenny previously said:

RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...


OK. I was just re-reading this thread to try and get some new direction and
I wanted to double-check some things and throw out some other possibilities.


In your original post, you said...

"I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or some bug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it myself with
my Y! Mobile Messenger.

I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list."
(END SNIP)

As I re-read this, it does look like someone else might be using your Yahoo
ID but they haven't changed your password... at least I don't think they
have... since you are able to sign in for a few seconds before you then get
booted, which means they are probably seeing this same activity... that is,
when you sign in, it boots them and then they re-sign in which boots you,
etc., etc. This could be intentional on their part or it could just be that
you, or someone who knows your info, signed in on YM on a computer and the
preferences are set to automatically sign in so when it gets booted, it
automatically signs itself back in, booting you... and the cycle continues.
I think this is most likely, because, if it was a malicious hijack of your
ID, they would have changed your password already.

Try this... try to sign into another Yahoo service, like Yahoo Mail, with
your *hijacked* ID and intentionally use a bogus password... or maybe there
is already the link for "Forgot Your Password?" and if there is, click on
that and get a new password. Make sure your secondary email account, that
should be associated with the Yahoo account, is accessible before you do
this or the new password will not be retrievable. You did mention that you
did the password reset and it didn't boot that doesn't sound right. Did you
already do the above and click the link... "Forgot Your Password?" or did
you use another method?

One other thing that just popped into my head...

When you created the new Yahoo ID, did you create it from scratch or could
it possibly be an alias of your primary ID? I thought Yahoo got rid of the
use of aliases but maybe not. I know that I have two aliases (that can be
used in YM or Chat Rooms) that are tied to my primary Yahoo ID and I still
can use them in YM or Chat Rooms but even if I'm signed into one of them, I
still show up as signed in on my primary account as well. A couple of years
ago, Yahoo allowed people to use aliases and they had completely different
profiles and didn't show up as linked together, except to the user but now
the aliases profile is the same as the primary Yahoo ID and then shows the
primary Yahoo ID in the URL also, so it's not as easy to hide behind an
alias. Of course, one can still have multiple Yahoo ID's if they log out of
their primary ID (maybe have to clear their cookies) and then go to a Yahoo
site and sign up for a new ID. If the Tamron ID is an alias of your main ID,
that could explain why you are seeing yourself online when you are logged
into the Tamron ID.

Instead of emailing Yahoo Customer Care, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS that I gave
for Sarah Bacon, an actual real person who is the head of Yahoo Messenger...
and include this entire thread.

I also just sent an IM to each of the ID's you listed to see if I get a bite
from anyone that might be using your ID. I also clicked the "View Profile"
links and it does not look like the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
AnnastasiaGrace ID.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
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computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:13 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference
in the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself
into and out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and
no difference. Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or
access one; I don't see how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site
on my BB that would require a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times
since this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try
to get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset,
but no help. :( Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK. Your description of where it's at is different but since you are looking
at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted differently. I have
the same four options but mine reads Offline and there is no check mark in
front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold where the other
words are not in bold. Well, at least, I think we have eliminated that as a
possible culprit. That *feature* has been causing fits for lots of YM users
until they learn that they can't be signed into both at the same time and
have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature in order to use YM
standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into? Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID. Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com. At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments. I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now. I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page. I'm not
sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular computer,
then you would see it and you could then change your status so you are not
signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in automatically any
longer... at least it doesn't for me. On my Yahoo Mail page, it's a little
blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it says "I am: Offline".
It's right below my folders section. I sign into Yahoo Mail on the webpage
titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that there is an upgraded
version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks computers to use the
upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for occasional stuff and 99% of
the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes it into my inbox even though
it shouldn't. Yahoo spam filters are junk compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
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computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into. I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not. Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well. Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen. You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well. This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider. I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites. I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's. Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's. Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone. The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above. While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site. It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it myself with
my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...

I reboot my BB everyday, sometimes more than one, and actually during this 3
weeks, my first BB died, and kinda hoped it was related to defect in my old BB,
but when I got my new one, it was still the same until this morning. Weird.
*shrug*
Sent on the Sprintź Now Network from my BlackBerryź

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:02:48
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yep... sometimes things can be just a quirk on Yahoo servers or a software
glitch.  You know, something I don't think that I mentioned in all of this
was rebooting your computer.. or in your case, your BB.  Sometimes a reboot
will fix things that otherwise elude logic.  Did you happen to reboot your
BB and possibly that fixed it?

Is St. Isidore of Seville really the patron Saint of the internet?  I'm
Catholic and that's a new one on me, although I'll admit to not being as
learned about all of the Saints as maybe I should be.  It seems that my New
Orleans Saints are getting more of my attention lately, than our Catholic
Saints.  Since I was intrigued, I had to start doing some research and I'm
still not sure what to think.  Read on.

According to this Wikipedia article, he was proposed for this in 2003 but
was not the top vote getter, but the article does not mention who was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Seville

"In 2003 he was proposed as the patron saint of the Internet, but was not
among the top six vote totals in an Italian Internet poll.[6] The University
of Dayton has named their implementation of the Sakai Project in honor of
Saint Isidore."
(END SNIP)

If you can cite me some accurate/verifiable references, I'd be more than
happy to update the Wikipedia article.

Some sites found with a Google search claim he is but others only mention
the nomination and proposal but not who the winner was.

I also did a Google search of Vatican.va, which I believe is the official
Vatican site and could not find the answer.  Even on this page, about Saint
Isidore, there is no mention of the internet (I did a Edit>Find search of
the page and No Matches for "internet").

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_b
en-xvi_aud_20080618_en.html

These snips, off of this site,
http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2006/12/8342.ars, seem to contradict each
other, with an earlier part claiming he was and the other later section,
only claiming he was nominated.

"Boston College recently relocated its data center into an old seminary
dormitory formerly owned by the Catholic Church. This would hardly be news,
except for the fact that the data center's new digs contain a stained-glass
window of St. Isidore, the patron saint of the Internet. The Boston Globe,
which reported the story, notes that it was a coincidence-16 saints appear
in the dormitory windows, where they have held their holy vigil for many
years."

"Still, Isidore tried, and his attempt to catalogue human knowledge helped
his nomination to become the patron saint of the Internet. The Vatican
actually has quite an interest in the Internet; beside approving St.
Isidore, their Pontifical Council for Social Communications has also issued
documents about Internet ethics and sent a representative to last year's
WSIS meeting in Tunis."
(END SNIPS)

This Boston Globe newspaper article, referenced in the above ArsTechnica
page, claims he is but does not cite a reference either.
http://www.boston.com/business/ticker/2006/12/internet_saint.html?p1=MEWell_
Pos4

This page, https://isidore.udayton.edu/portal, refers to Saint Isidore as
"the patron saint of students and schoolchildren and recently recommended
for patronage of computers and the Internet" but nothing to confirm.

Compiling info from the above, I did additional searches on Vatican.va with
the key words, 'social communication isidore', 'saint isidore of seville'
and other searches and I could not find anything confirming that he is the
patron saint of the internet.

A further search of just Wikipedia found nothing to confirm.

This Catholic Encyclopedia article on St. Isidore of Seville,
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08186a.htm, also does not mention him being
the patron saint of the internet.

This page, http://www.st-isidore.org/aims.html, stating a year of 2000 (so a
few years before the 2003 date) says:

"The Order was formed on 1st January 2000 to:

Celebrate the beginning of Christ's Third Millennium

Honor Saint Isidore of Seville as the Patron Saint of the Internet (LV added
- Honor does not mean that he actually is... this was comparable to a
lobbying effort by this group)

Promote the ideals of Christian chivalry through the medium of the Internet"
(END SNIP)

This article on the same site, http://www.st-isidore.org/isidore.html, does
not mention the internet at all.

This 2003 CNN article also does not clarify things.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/01/31/internet.saint/

This 2006 Telegraph (UK) article,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/3654846/Patron-saint-of-the-interne
t.html, also does not clarify things although the title of the article says,
"Patron saint of the internet" but then in reading the article, it only
references nomination, not actual confirmation.

This short article and prayer says, "Saint Isidore... *proposed* Patron
Saint of Internet Users".
http://www.catholic.org/saints/isidore.php

All said, there certainly wasn't anything wrong with an intercessory prayer
request to St. Isidore and it certainly seems like it helped.  Maybe you
should notify the Vatican to include your little *miracle* as more evidence
in favor of St. Isidore's nomination for Patron Saint Of The Internet.  As
far as I can see, one has not been confirmed at this time.

Let me know if you find anything different as I would like to update his
Wikipedia page, if applicable.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Weird, reply function seems to be working again. *shrug* Thank you for all
your help. The strangest thing just happened, I signed in under Tamron and
AG was offline for the first time in 3 weeks. So I signed out of Tam and
into AG and grabbed it back. Yay! Still at a loss as to what happened, but
hopefully it will stay that way now...knocking wood and offering prayers to
St. Isadore of Seville, the patron saint of the internet.
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:12:26
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I realize you do not have a computer and rely on your BB but is there a way
that you can use a friend's or relative's computer and sign into the real YM
(instead of the Mobile App)?

I just happened to create a new Yahoo ID for my business, mainly for using
another Yahoo service, NOT Yahoo Mail, since I use Gmail, but something I
noticed was that as soon as I went to Yahoo Mail to click one of the verify
emails, I noticed that BY DEFAULT, it signed into the YM Chat feature in
Yahoo Mail and it booted that ID off of the regular YM.  I had to go into
the YM Chat feature in Yahoo Mail and mark it OFFLINE.  I do not know why
Yahoo did this to people.  This feature has been causing more people grief
with the regular YM until they find out that this feature is the cause of
their getting booted.  I was able to test that when the Yahoo Mail YM chat
feature was logged on, and I logged into the regular YM, it did sign me out
of the Yahoo Mail YM chat feature... so at least that's an improvement BUT
if folks do not make it permanently offline, then each time they sign into a
Yahoo online service, they may sign themselves out of the regular YM
program.  Another thing I noticed is that by default, the new enhanced Yahoo
Mail comes up so I had to click on the link to change to Yahoo Mail Classic

Now, all that said, this is why I'd like for you to be on a real computer,
just so we could compare apples to apples (not the computer company.... lol)
and be able to isolate if this is something related to your mobile app or
not.  It's quite possible that the mobile app is somehow keeping you signed
into both ID's.  I noticed, when setting up my new Yahoo ID, that it asked
me for a mobile number to link to.  I did not provide this info since I do
not use Mobile YM anyhow and possibly because of the issues I see in this
group.

There is also a box that can be checked off to allow Yahoo to show you as
online on websites (such as this group, in the Members section, where you
can see a lit up smiley face next to people who are logged onto yahoo at the
time) and while this feature seems OK, I'm wondering if this isn't what you
are seeing, maybe because both ID's are linked to your mobile number (on
your BB) so when your BB is on, it's showing both ID's as being online
because the phone is online???

Maybe, if you go into your Yahoo Account settings and your Yahoo Messenger
preferences and dis-associate your mobile number with both accounts,
especially the part where YM automatically signs you into the Mobile App
when you sign out of the main YM, as this could be what is causing your
issues... if it's not a defect in the Mobile App itself... with it showing
you signed in on both accounts at the same time.  BTW... when you are signed
in on the AG account, does it show the Tamron account as signed on also?

I know... a lot more theories and questions, rather than answers but I'm
just trying to figure this out by eliminating all of the other possibilities
since no quick-fix is apparent.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.



-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Lenny, I have been trying to respond to your post on the 10th (3 days ago),
but for some reason my reply function is only allowing me to save a draft,
but won't let me send it, so this is my response to your post:
Tamron1970@... was created specifically for my Freecycle listserv, and
AnnastasiaGrace@... was created seperately, so they are not
technically aliases of each other. I just linked them through the friends
list, not even sure why, but glad I did.
The signing in and getting booted in a couple seconds was what it was doing
2 weeks ago before I changed my password 4 different times using the "Forgot
you password?" link, and checking the box for "my account may have been
compromised."
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

------------------------------------

Lenny previously said:

RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...


OK. I was just re-reading this thread to try and get some new direction and
I wanted to double-check some things and throw out some other possibilities.


In your original post, you said...

"I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or some bug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it myself with
my Y! Mobile Messenger.

I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list."
(END SNIP)

As I re-read this, it does look like someone else might be using your Yahoo
ID but they haven't changed your password... at least I don't think they
have... since you are able to sign in for a few seconds before you then get
booted, which means they are probably seeing this same activity... that is,
when you sign in, it boots them and then they re-sign in which boots you,
etc., etc. This could be intentional on their part or it could just be that
you, or someone who knows your info, signed in on YM on a computer and the
preferences are set to automatically sign in so when it gets booted, it
automatically signs itself back in, booting you... and the cycle continues.
I think this is most likely, because, if it was a malicious hijack of your
ID, they would have changed your password already.

Try this... try to sign into another Yahoo service, like Yahoo Mail, with
your *hijacked* ID and intentionally use a bogus password... or maybe there
is already the link for "Forgot Your Password?" and if there is, click on
that and get a new password. Make sure your secondary email account, that
should be associated with the Yahoo account, is accessible before you do
this or the new password will not be retrievable. You did mention that you
did the password reset and it didn't boot that doesn't sound right. Did you
already do the above and click the link... "Forgot Your Password?" or did
you use another method?

One other thing that just popped into my head...

When you created the new Yahoo ID, did you create it from scratch or could
it possibly be an alias of your primary ID? I thought Yahoo got rid of the
use of aliases but maybe not. I know that I have two aliases (that can be
used in YM or Chat Rooms) that are tied to my primary Yahoo ID and I still
can use them in YM or Chat Rooms but even if I'm signed into one of them, I
still show up as signed in on my primary account as well. A couple of years
ago, Yahoo allowed people to use aliases and they had completely different
profiles and didn't show up as linked together, except to the user but now
the aliases profile is the same as the primary Yahoo ID and then shows the
primary Yahoo ID in the URL also, so it's not as easy to hide behind an
alias. Of course, one can still have multiple Yahoo ID's if they log out of
their primary ID (maybe have to clear their cookies) and then go to a Yahoo
site and sign up for a new ID. If the Tamron ID is an alias of your main ID,
that could explain why you are seeing yourself online when you are logged
into the Tamron ID.

Instead of emailing Yahoo Customer Care, USE THE EMAIL ADDRESS that I gave
for Sarah Bacon, an actual real person who is the head of Yahoo Messenger...
and include this entire thread.

I also just sent an IM to each of the ID's you listed to see if I get a bite
from anyone that might be using your ID. I also clicked the "View Profile"
links and it does not look like the Tamron ID is an alias of your main
AnnastasiaGrace ID.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
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computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:13 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

My Bolt Browser mimics a PC browser except for not being able access Flash
Media. I tried changing the previously described mail chat settings between
being available and being signed out of chat, but nothing made a difference
in the hacker/bug "me" being signed into Messenger. I have signed myself
into and out of every part of of the Yahoo! Site that has that option, and
no difference. Using a PC wouldn't be helpful even if I could afford or
access one; I don't see how I could sign in to something on the Yahoo! Site
on my BB that would require a PC to sign out of.
I am constantly clearing my cache, and have cleared cookies several times
since this started.
I have repeatedly emailed Yahoo! Customer Care, and even called them to try
to get them to at least force "me" offline, so that my password would reset,
but no help. :( Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:41:58
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

OK. Your description of where it's at is different but since you are looking
at it on your BB, the mobile web page could be formatted differently. I have
the same four options but mine reads Offline and there is no check mark in
front of "you are signed out of chat" but it is in bold where the other
words are not in bold. Well, at least, I think we have eliminated that as a
possible culprit. That *feature* has been causing fits for lots of YM users
until they learn that they can't be signed into both at the same time and
have to manually sign out of the Yahoo Mail Chat feature in order to use YM
standalone program.

Is there any way for you to use someone's computer and their YM just long
enough for you to sign into your main user ID, in order to boot yourself
from whatever YM you are still signed into? Or you could try signing into
the Yahoo Mail Chat feature on your BB and that should also boot you from YM
(and probably YM Mobile also and then once you've booted yourself, you can
sign out of Yahoo Mail Chat feature and sign back into your main user ID on
YM Mobile.

Clearing cookies and browser cache is also another thing that should be done
when having these kinds of issues to make sure that it's not a cookie
keeping you from signing in under another ID. Cookies are useful for the
most part but can occasionally cause problems.

Last, but not least, here's all of the contact info that I have for Yahoo!,
Inc., including the recently discovered email address for Sarah Bacon, who
is the Product Manager for Yahoo Messenger and *signs* all of the
YMessengerBlog posts at http://www.YmessengerBlog.com. At least send her an
email explaining the problems so she can address them in an upcoming blog...
although I'm sure many others have already posted comments on the blog and I
see her regularly reply to comments. I think one or more Yahoo employees
still monitor this group but they rarely reply.. they just take in the info
and pass it on to the proper party at Yahoo!, Inc.

Yahoo! Inc.
701 First Avenue
Sunnyvale,
California
94089
Phone (408) 349-3300
Fax (408) 349-3301
Office Hours 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. PS

Yahoo! US contact information is:
Customer Support:
(408) 349-3300
(866) 562-7219 (TOLL FREE)
(408)-349-1572

Sarah Bacon, YM Rep - mailto:sbacon@...

Hope this helps and at least others using older versions of YM Mobile will
know to hold off on upgrading for now. I rarely upgrade when a new version
comes out and usually wait several months after the final public version
comes out so that most of the bugs have been worked out.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:39 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

It took a while, but think I found the chat thing you are talking about on
the mail page on the website. I tried to get a screen capture of it, but
it's not working in my browser that renders pages like a desktop.
Along the top of the screen, to the right of where it says "Hi Annastasia,"
is the word "offline" in blue letters. When clicked, a drop-down menu
appears with these options:
Available
Busy
Invisible
You are signed out of chat (with a check mark in front of it) Help

So it appears that I am not now, nor have been, signed into chat, and I can
still see "myself" signed in and available in the Y! Mobile Messenger.
*shrug* Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:55
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

Yahoo Mail Chat is located on the left side of your Yahoo Mail page. I'm not
sure how it would work on your BB but if you can get on a regular computer,
then you would see it and you could then change your status so you are not
signed into Yahoo Mail Chat and then it will not sign in automatically any
longer... at least it doesn't for me. On my Yahoo Mail page, it's a little
blue box that has "Chat" at the top of it and then it says "I am: Offline".
It's right below my folders section. I sign into Yahoo Mail on the webpage
titled Yahoo 7 Mail Classic and I understand that there is an upgraded
version that also downloads more Yahoo crap onto folks computers to use the
upgraded version but I just use Yahoo Mail for occasional stuff and 99% of
the stuff I get is spam and half of that makes it into my inbox even though
it shouldn't. Yahoo spam filters are junk compared to Gmail spam filters.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of annastasiagrace@...
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:40 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have never, to my knowledge signed into any Yahoo Mail Chat on the site,
but thought I would just double check. However, I am not finding anything by
that name, and can only find that Yahoo Chat is available in Y!M 8, which is
useless, since I'm mobile. Where is this supposed chat feature in the onsite
mail page supposed to be?
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR

-----Original Message-----
From: "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:55:57
To: <Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

If you (or someone using your Yahoo ID) is signed into YM on another
computer, if you sign into YM on your own computer (or a friends), it will
boot you/them off of whatever computer you may have been signed into. I'm
not sure if signing into YM-Mobile does the same thing or not. Maybe others
could confirm this.

Another potential issue, since you've changed your password.... signing into
Yahoo Mail Chat (which is another likely place that you may leave yourself
signed in) will prevent you from using the normal YM program (for that same
ID) and probably the YM-Mobile as well. Disable the Yahoo Mail Chat feature
by logging out of Yahoo Mail Chat while in your Yahoo Mail screen. You can
still sign in to check mail, just DO NOT use the Mail Chat feature or if you
do, remember to log out of it before attempting to use the normal YM and
probably the YM-Mobile as well. This is a known issue to Yahoo!, Inc. but I
do not know if they plan on fixing it or not.

With normal YM, when you sign into another computer or device, you will boot
yourself from the YM computer/device where you were previously signed in but
since the Yahoo Mail Chat feature is tied into a website, YM will not sign
you out of that webpage so it cannot boot itself from the Yahoo Mail Chat
feature.

Hopefully, I've explained this clearly enough.

As far as older versions, you may want to contact your phone's service
provider. I do not see the Y! Mobile Messenger program on any of my old
version trusted download sites. I'm not sure if Yahoo builds these app's
themselves or if they are 3rd party app's. Most app's are 3rd party app's
and if you read the fine print (EULA) for them or your phone, your phone's
service provider expressly states that they are not responsible for 3rd
party app's. Recent news reports show that many app's are full of spyware
including the ability of the app's maker being able to listen to your phone
calls and read your text messages so use app's with extreme caution and read
their EULA's and Google them like crazy BEFORE downloading them to your
phone. The same precautions should be taken when using toolbars, sidebar
app's, etc., on ones computer.

Actually, I take back some of the above. While checking all of my trusted
"older version" sites and doing a little Googling myself, I found this 2007
YMessengerBlog post about Yahoo Messenger for Mobile and this version is/was
made by Yahoo!, Inc.
http://www.ymessengerblog.com/blog/2007/06/20/new-yahoo-messenger-for-mobile
-beta/

Here is Yahoo's official download side for Yahoo Messenger for Mobile.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/messenger

And for the iPhone, which is a separate download.
http://messenger.yahoo.com/iphone

I still cannot find the old version downloads on any reputable site. It
looks like when you get the Mobile YM, even from Yahoo, that they send a
link to your mobile device and you then have to activate it from there....
which is probably why there is no old version download site like with normal
computer programs.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI Check out how simple and secure it can
be to use the Mozy remote backup system. Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Annastasia
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:48 PM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Re: find the prob ...

I have been having the exact same problem as the original poster since
shortly after I DLed the newest version of Yahoo! Mobile Messenger, 2 weeks
ago, and I also have not been able to get any useful help from Yahoo! after
sending several messages to customer care and calling them on the phone.
I have been unable to sign in to Y! Mobile Messenger with my primary Y! ID
for more than 2 to 5 seconds before getting booted. I can sign in to and out
of the Yahoo! website with both my Y! accounts just fine, but apparently
someone or somebug has somehow signed in to the Y! Messenger system with my
primary ID, AnnastasiaGrace@..., preventing me from accessing it myself with
my Y! Mobile Messenger.
I had created an alternate ID, Tamron1970@... for the Freecycle email
listserv, and decided to link them through the friends lists. So, I thought
I would try signing in with Tamron1970, and was able to, no problem; BUT, I
could, and still can, see "myself" (AnnastasiaGrace) signed in and available
in my friend list.
Whoever it is, refuses to either answer or sign out. I have changed my
password 4 times, and no luck. They won't log off so that the password will
reset, and resetting the password apparently does not kick them off so that
the reset can take effect.
I use only my Blackberry, no PC, and no one else uses my BB, so there is no
way that I left it signed in somewhere else, and no way that someone could
have gotten it from my BB without some kind of high-tech hacking that can
read the encrypted over-the-air connections that BB uses. However, if that
were the case, I would think that I would be seeing at least some other
security breaches in my various email and messenger accounts or private
website passwords, not to mention banking and Paypal accounts.
On the off-chance that it is not a hacker, but a *major* bug in the new Y!
Mobile Messenger, does anyone know of any links where I could downgrade to
the previous version? The problem with that idea though, is that I have no
problem with it working with Tamron1970, so, if it is not a hacker, then
maybe a major bug in the whole Y! Messenger system? I didn't catch if the
original poster was using Y! Mobile Messenger or Y!M 8 or 9, or if they
noticed the problems right after upgrading from a previous version?
Thanks,
AnnastasiaGrace@...



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posts and below is a LONG digest of about the last 10 blogs about Profiles.  I
know this is the Yahoo Messenger group but many folks also have questions about
their profiles since YM is linked to your profile and your friends profiles,
even more so with YM 10.0x compared to past versions.

I edited out some of the HTML junk below but you can read everything and see the
images and any videos by clicking on the above link.

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-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Profiles News
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:12 PM
To: lnvtm1@...
Subject: Profiles News


Profiles News <http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog>

________________________________


* New and improved look & functionality for your profile.
* How to: hide your age in your profile
* Keeping up-to-date with the new homepage
* Questions and answers about the age verification process
* Editing your age in your profile
* Yahoo! 360 has been shut down
* It’s now easier to share more with your connections!
* Fixes and Features
* How to: blog on your new profile
* Yahoo! 360 to Shut Down

New and improved look & functionality for your profile.

Posted: 17 Sep 2009 09:28 PM PDT

Based on feedback from you throughout the last few months, we’ve made some
changes to your profile that will help you more easily share who you are on the
Web with your friends. Here are the highlights


First, you’ll notice that the layout of the tabs on the top of your profile
changed and we added a fourth tab for you to access your Account Info. You can
now mouse over these tabs to easily see options for each topic instead of having
to leave your profile to find your settings. Don’t worry, if you prefer to use
the “Profile Settings” link, we have kept that for you but just moved it
down beside your profile photo.

Second, we made changing your profile photo simpler. All you need to do is mouse
over your current photo and click the “Change Photo” link that appears. Make
sure to post an updated photo of yourself to help your friends find you when
they search for your profile in the newly designed “Find People” search bar
(in the “Connections” module at the top right of the page).

Third, as part of these design changes, we wanted to put your “Updates”
front and center. With the new “My Updates” section on your profile, you can
select which of your favorite sites you’d like to share updates from, see what
your updates look like, and even control who sees these updates via the
“Manage My Updates” link. If you’ve already closed the “Share Sharing
Updates From Other Websites” module, you can still add other websites by
clicking “Share More.”

And finally, you’ll now start seeing Birthday reminders for your connections.
We are excited to bring you this new feature, so that you’ll never miss an
important birthday! Your friends will be able to see your birthday approaching
as well if you share your birthday. Check out the Birthdays help section
<http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/birthdays/;_ylt=Aq7mhw8eS5wkcx8GGXhXx\
kN3KnhG>  for more information.

Go explore the new look and functionality of your profile; it will make it
easier for you to check-in on the things and people that matter to you most!


How to: hide your age in your profile

Posted: 18 Aug 2009 09:58 AM PDT

As a result of your feedback, we’re happy to announce that beginning today,
your age will default to “hidden” while in the 35-day waiting period. Once
your 35-day waiting period has passed you will have the option of hiding your
age within your profile. To hide your age, simply log into your profile and
click “Edit my Profile.” Then, select “Hide my age” from the age menu
(appears beneath the “Gender” drop-down).

  <http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/hidemyage.jpg>

Though your age will still appear to you, it will not show to your contacts or
to the public.

Q: With this fix, will I be able to edit my age?

A: Yes and no. This fix is specifically designed to impact users who are in the
35-day holding period (for more information on this, please see this post
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/2009/07/23/questions-and-answers-about-the-age\
-verification-process/> ), giving users the privacy so many of you asked for.
Once users are past the 35-day waiting period, they’ll have the option of
hiding or showing their age and will be able to edit their birthday. If you are
already past the 35-day period, you won’t notice a change as this feature was
already made available to you.

Q: What if I just answered my security questions the other day—will this reset
my waiting period or speed it up?

A: Neither. This will not impact your 35-day waiting period. You’ll still have
to finish your account verification cycle before you’ll be able to edit your
birthday. This fix just hides a user’s age while they wait for the 35 days to
pass.

As always, please feel free to leave questions in the comment box below.

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


Keeping up-to-date with the new homepage

Posted: 28 Jul 2009 10:39 AM PDT

I’m sure it’s happened to you before: you’re reading the homepage of
Yahoo! and come across a great story, link, or have an epiphany that you’d
love to share with the people you know. In the past, you had to log into your
email and send a message to your friends and family, or, go to a third-party
site to blast the update to the world.

With the introduction of the new Yahoo! homepage <http://m.www.yahoo.com/> ,
sharing interesting tidbits has just become a little bit easier, and, a little
less complicated.

The next time you visit the new Yahoo! homepage <http://m.www.yahoo.com/>  take
a look at the top right corner (right above the “Popular Searches” module).
Here, you’ll see “Hi, YOURNAME.” Hovering over this produces a drop-down
menu that provides you with quick access to your profile.

 
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/profiledropdown.jpg\
>

Want to update your status without leaving the homepage? Easy! Just hover to the
right of your name. Doing so will conjure up a “status” box, allowing you to
plug in a link, message, or anything else you’d like- all without ever having
to leave the homepage.

 
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/statusdropdown.jpg>

Lastly, if you’ve been connecting with people across Yahoo!, you should be
seeing other people’s activity in your updates stream. In the “My
Favorites” column (on the left side), you may see a row titled “Updates”
(1). (Don’t see it? Click on the “Add” button (2) next to the “My
Favorites” title and click “add” to include it in your list of favorites).
If one of your connections has published an update, you’ll see a number next
to the “Updates” name . Hovering over the “Updates” button will produce
a pop-out menu that includes a snapshot of your connection’s updates.

 
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/updatespopoutconnec\
tions.jpg>

Want to see what the rest of Yahoo! is up to? Try clicking on the 
“everyone” tab.

 
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/updatespopouteveryo\
ne.jpg>

These latest additions to the Yahoo! homepage make it easier to share what
interests you with your connections, and, find new people across the network.

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


Questions and answers about the age verification process

Posted: 23 Jul 2009 05:42 PM PDT

UPDATE 7/28/09: Based largely off of the community’s response to this feature,
we will be releasing a “patch” for this issue. This patch, which will be
available on or around August 18th, 2009, will hide your age in your profile
during the 35-day verification period.

Prior to August 17th, if you wish to have your age hidden, you must also hide
your full profile (see below for instructions).

After August 17th, accounts that are in the midst of the 35-day waiting period,
or, have just started it, will automatically have their ages hidden. Once your
account has passed the 35-day verification period, you will have the option of
hiding or showing your age. Thank you for your patience.

Following the announcement of the new age verification process, several of you
had a variety of questions surrounding this new feature.  Below, please find a
list of the most commonly asked questions on this new topic:

Q: How do I know if I’ve started the 35-day waiting period?

A: The best and easiest way to tell is to click on your profile, and then click
on the “Edit Profile” link. While on this page, if you do not have the
option of editing your age, you have triggered the 35-day period and should be
able to edit your age information within the next 35-days.

Q: How will I know when my 35-days have passed?

A: Currently, the only way to tell whether your 35-days have passed is to log
into your profile and attempt to edit your age. We’re aware that this is
frustrating to some users and are working on ways to alleviate this frustration.

Q: Right now my age shows on my profile-how do I hide this while I’m waiting
for my 35-days to pass?

A: Currently, the only way to do this is to completely hide your profile while
you’re waiting for your 35-days to pass. To do this: click on the
“Settings” <http://profiles.yahoo.com/settings/>  link located at the top
right of your profile. Under the “Permissions” tab, you will see a “Hide
My Profile” link located right above the “Save” button. Click on this
link, and a pop-up confirmation message will appear. Select “Hide My
Profile”, and your profile will remain hidden until you decide to unhide it.
(Note: Your display name will still be visible to others even if you hide your
profile).

Q: My age shows as one thing on my new profile, but that’s not what I had
entered. What’s the deal?

A: In the past, you were able to share your age with Yahoo! in several places,
including: your profile, the old profile, and your Account Management page. For
some users, they showed one age on their profile, and another within their
Account Management page. This change consolidated this information. Once your
35-days are up, you’ll be able to edit your age back to whatever you’d like,
and it should remain this way across the network.

Q: Once my 35-days has passed, can I hide my age?

A: Yes! You’ll be given the option of hiding your age from your profile.
However, it’s important to note that your age will still be visible to YOU but
not your connections.

Q: I am under 18 or my child is under 18-I do NOT want my/their age showing. How
can I prevent this from happening?

A: Users who are under the age of 18 will not have their age show while waiting
for the 35-day period to pass. However, their age does, and will, show to their
connections. This can be removed once the user has passed their 35-day waiting
period.

Q: Will everyone’s age be editable in 35 days from the time of this
announcement, or does everyone’s day vary?

A: UPDATE: The 35-day period is variable-this means that this process begins
whenever you change your security questions. To jump start this process, please
go to the login screen <https://login.yahoo.com/config/login>  for Yahoo! and
click “I can’t access my account <https://edit.yahoo.com/forgotroot?done>
” — if you have not already selected a new security question, you will be
prompted to do so when you log in. Otherwise, you’ll be randomly prompted to
change your security questions when you log in. For more information, please
read this post from Yodel, our corporate blog:
http://ycorpblog.com/2009/04/14/a-24-hour-locksmith-for-your-yahoo-account/

Q: Why are you making this change? It seems like it opens us up for more fraud
than before. What gives?

A: By making this change, your data is actually more secure. Previously, you
could have used your birthday as one of your security questions. This means that
if someone knew your email address and your birthday, they could potentially log
into your account without your permission. Now, you cannot use your birthday to
verify your account, which ensures that your account and your data is more
secure.

Q: If it’s so secure, why are you showing my birthday now?

A: Currently, we’re only showing your age (which you can hide by hiding your
profile)-not your actual birthday. This setting is triggered AFTER you have
changed your account verification question, ensuring that your identity is not
up for grabs whilst you wait for your 35-day period to pass.

Q: Why could we hide our age before, and can’t hide it now?

A: Previously, users hid their age by selecting a “blank” space from the
dropdown menu. This is not the intended behavior of profiles. Once you’re able
to edit your profile you’ll have the option of hiding your age by selecting a
“check box.” You will still be asked to enter your age, but this will not be
publicly displayed.

While I know that this change may come as a surprise to many of you, it’s
important to note that should you wish to hide your birthday while you’re
waiting for your 35-day period to pass, you’re welcome to hide your profile
completely. To do this, please follow the instructions above, or, follow this
help link: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/permissions/02.html

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


Editing your age in your profile

Posted: 15 Jul 2009 10:09 AM PDT

UPDATE 7/28/09: Based largely off of the community’s response to this feature,
we will be releasing a “patch” for this issue. This patch, which will be
available on or around August 18th, 2009, will hide your age in your profile
during the 35-day verification period.

Prior to August 17th, if you wish to have your age hidden, you must also hide
your full profile (see this post
<http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/2009/07/23/questions-and-answers-about-the-age\
-verification-process/>  for instructions).

After August 17th, accounts that are in the midst of the 35-day waiting period,
or, have just started it, will automatically have their ages hidden. Once your
account has passed the 35-day verification period, you will have the option of
hiding or showing your age. Thank you for your patience.

Over the past couple of days, a few of you have commented asking how you can
change your age or birth date within your profile.

The profiles team and membership team are currently changing the way you enter
your age on profiles so that your age is automatically calculated for you based
on the birth date you enter.

We are also introducing a birthday reminders feature by Sept 1st that allows
your friends to know when your birthday is coming up and vice versa, if you
choose to share your birthday.  In order to do this, we changed the way you
access your Yahoo! account when you’ve forgotten your password. In the past,
you verified your identity by entering your birthday. Now, you verify your
identity by answering a few secret questions. You may recall selecting your
secret questions during a recent login.

While we transition everyone to this new verification procedure, you’ll still
have the option of keeping your birthday as a way to recover your account for 35
days after you selected your secret questions.  To protect your data during this
time, we’ve omitted the ability to change your birthday for 35 days after you
change you answered the secret questions. At the end of these 35 days, you can
edit your birthday through the profiles edit page and this will change your age.

You will be able to edit your birthday and age in 35 days from the ‘edit
basics’ page: http://profiles.yahoo.com/edit/basicinfo

Please note: many of you are commenting on the fact that your age currently
displays to other users. This has been the case with profiles since launch. Age,
sex, and location has always been shown as public data.

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager



Yahoo! 360 has been shut down

Posted: 14 Jul 2009 03:53 PM PDT

Today, Yahoo! 360 officially shut down.

Thank you to all of you who used the service over the years– we appreciate
your feedback, loyalty, and dedication to the site, and hope you’ll work with
us to improve your profile on Yahoo!.

If you did not retrieve your profile information or content from Yahoo! 360
(with the exception of blog entries), this information is no longer accessible.

  <http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/360close.jpg>

However, if you did not download or export your blog entries you will be able to
download and transfer entries until August 19, 2009. After August 19th, these
entries will not be accessible.

Thank you for using 360, and welcome to profiles!

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


It’s now easier to share more with your connections!

Posted: 09 Jul 2009 04:21 PM PDT

The next time you check out your profile on Yahoo!, you might notice that
we’ve added a new “Share More” module within your profile. This module
(which is just like the “Share More <http://profiles.yahoo.com/share_more/>
” page) allows you to enter your username into the wizard and automatically
scans the net for matching identities on other popular sites like YouTube,
Twitter, and more. (1)

  <http://www.yprofileblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sharemore.jpg>

If you use a different ID for your Picassa, YouTube, Last.fm or Yelp accounts,
you can add them one-by-one using the “Username” box. (2)

Currently you can share from 19 different sites (in addition to all of the
Yahoo! properties that are found on the Updates
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/settings/updates/>  page, and we’ll be adding more
in the near future.

By linking your third party-sites with your profile you’re able to easily
share your activity with your connections on Yahoo!. Once you’ve added a few
third-party sites, you’ll be able to manage your preferences from the Updates
page <http://profiles.yahoo.com/settings/updates/> . As always, your options
are: Anyone, My Connections, and No One.

If you don’t want to see this module on your profile page just click on the
grey “x” in the corner and it will disappear. (3) Once you click the “x”
you can access the same content by visiting the “Share More” page, found
here: http://profiles.yahoo.com/share_more/

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


Fixes and Features

Posted: 25 Jun 2009 06:22 PM PDT

Since we announced the closure of Yahoo! 360, some of you have had a few
questions, and, some of you have run into a few bugs. Here’s a quick update on
some of the issues.


Fixes


When I try to post blog entries on my profile I see weird characters or “?”
marks throughout the post.

We’ve been able to pinpoint this issue and a fix will be pushed out for this
problem on July 8th.

I downloaded my blog entries from the 360 download page but am unable to upload
the file to WordPress because its too large. How do I fix this?

WordPress has adjusted their upload size to accommodate large blog uploads (they
now support blog uploads up to 700mb). However, if your blog is larger than
this, or, you’re still having trouble uploading your 360 entries to WordPress,
please contact WordPress’ customer care team using this link
<http://support.wordpress.com/contact/> : http://support.wordpress.com/contact/.
The team over at WordPress will ask you for your blog file and information
regarding your WordPress account. Once you send them this info you shouldn’t
have any problem accessing your blog entries on WordPress.

I tried to migrate from 360 to profiles but keep seeing the error “You do not
have a verified email address,” but I do. How do I fix this?
This issue has been resolved and the fix has been pushed out. If you’re still
having trouble please contact Customer Care
<http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/general.html>  directly and let them
know.

I see people in my “connections” that I don’t remember connecting with.
What’s up?

If you’re seeing people you don’t remember connecting with or if you feel as
though your profile has been compromised (your content has changed without you
changing it, etc.) please be sure to visit this help page
<http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/cctop10/profile.html>  which will
outline what you should do if your account has been changed without your
permission.

To remove a connection, click on the “Contacts
<http://profiles.yahoo.com/contacts.php> ” tab in your profile (1) and then
select “All Connections” from the dropdown. (2) From here, select the
connection you’d like to remove. Then, in the contact’s details, next to
“Connection” click “Remove.” (3)

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g> Quick Tip: When viewing a list of “All Contacts,” you’ll notice that
Connections have a blue “people peg” to the right of their name.


Known Issues


For a list of known issues, please be sure to visit the profiles Help Pages
“Known Issues” section, found here:
http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/cctop10/index.html


Features


I don’t receive an email when someone comments on my Guestbook or my blog
entries in my profile. Without this how can I tell someone wrote me?

Don’t worry-this can be remedied! To fix this, go to:
http://profiles.yahoo.com/settings/notifications and set your notifications
setting to “Notify me when actions related to my profile occur.” This will
ensure that notices are sent to your primary email address whenever something
happens. (Not sure what your primary email address is? Log into your account
info <https://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_profile?>  page and check the section
called “Email Information”– here, you’ll be able  to see which address
is marked as your primary email address).

Exception: A few BT Internet users have reported that they’re still not
receiving notifications even after opting in. The team is currently
investigating this issue and I’ll keep you posted once we know more.

UPDATE: This issue has been resolved for BT users.

In 360 I could assign my contacts categories, allowing me to “file away” my
friends and family members appropriately. How do I do this within profiles?

To do this, click on the “Contacts <http://profiles.yahoo.com/contacts.php>
” tab (1) and select a contact (2). When their information appears in the
right pane click “Add” next to the “Categories” option. This will prompt
a pop-out window that allows you to create your own categories for your contacts
and connections. When you’re through, click “Done.” (3)

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Not all of my blog content was migrated over from 360 to profiles-what’s the
deal?

If your profile or blog (or any entries) were marked as “Mature” or
“Adult” this content will not be migrated over into profiles. Profiles does
not support or allow mature or adult content. If you’d like to keep your
content you may download your entries. If you’re looking to share adult or
mature content across Yahoo! you’re welcome to start a Yahoo! Group
<http://groups.yahoo.com>  and publish your entries there as Groups does allow
adult content.

If you don’t have any mature content or adult content within your profile or
blog, please contact the Customer Care
<http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/profiles/general.html>  team to report the
issue.

If you’re seeing an issue not listed here or on the help pages, please report
the issue to Customer Care or to myself (if you haven’t done so already), and
I’ll ensure that the issue is reported (if it hasn’t been already).

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


How to: blog on your new profile

Posted: 08 Jun 2009 01:16 PM PDT

Based on the feedback we received from users like you we recently introduced a
new blogging module into your profile on Yahoo!.

By now, some of you may have taken the time to explore this new feature, but if
you haven’t here’s a quick walk-through of the new blogging tool’s
features.

Getting started

Once you’ve set up your profile <http://profiles.yahoo.com>  on Yahoo!
you’ll notice a “My Blog” module in the right column.



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Composing an Entry and Permissions

Clicking on the “Compose Entry” button will take you straight to the
blogging module, where you’ll be able to compose your first entry.



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From here, you can edit the title of your blog (each title defaults to the
current date, just like a diary), and begin your latest entry.  (1)

When composing an entry, you have the option of adding links, images, and video.
I’ll outline each of these features later on in this post. (2)

Once you’re through writing, click “Post Entry” to post your blog to your
profile. (3)

After you’ve composed an entry or two, these will show up in the right column
under the “Most Recent Entries” title. (4)

To easily change your blog’s permissions, click on the hyperlink in the right
column (5)

This will take you to the Permissions page <http://profiles.yahoo.com/settings/>
, where you’ll be able to select whether or not you want your blog entries to
be viewable by “Anyone,” “My Connections,” or, “Me Only.”



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It is important to note that if you set your blog to be viewable by “Anyone”
this also permits “Anyone” to comment on your blog.

Blogging Tools

When composing an entry you have several tools at your disposal that allow you
to easily inject more personality into your posts.  Below you’ll find a quick
walk-through of the tools found within the blog editor.



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B: This is the universal symbol for “Bold.” Use this to bold your text.
Either select it prior to typing (and all subsequent text will be bolded until
you deselect this option), or, highlight the text you’d like bolded and then
click on the “B” icon to bold it.

I: Just like the Bold icon, this is the universal symbol for “Italic.” Use
this to italicize your text. Either select it prior to typing (and all
subsequent text will be italicized until you deselect this option), or,
highlight the text you’d like italicized and then click on the “I” icon to
bold it.

U: Just like the Bold and Italic icons, this is the universal symbol for
“Underline.” Use this to underline your text. Either select it prior to
typing (and all subsequent text will be underlined until you deselect this
option), or, highlight the text you’d like underlined and then click on the
“U” icon to bold it.

T (Font Color): This is the text color grid. To activate it, you must first
select a batch of text to “colorize”. When you do this, you’ll be
presented with a drop-down menu that allows you to select from an assortment of
colors.

13 (Spin Button): Just like the color grid, to activate the size tool you must
first select a batch of text to enlarge. All blog entries default to size 13
font. To increase the font size, use the “up” arrows. To decrease, use the
“down” arrows next to the number. You can also use “Control + Shift + Up
Arrow” and “Control + Shift + Down Arrow” to toggle between font sizes.

Create an Unordered List: Have a list of facts or details that you want to
share? Use this feature to create a bulleted list. To use this feature, you can
select the feature first, and then begin typing your list, hitting “return”
(or, “enter”) to move on to the next bullet point. Or, if you already have a
series of items entered and just want to bullet them, just highlight the list
(each entry should be separated by a “return” or “enter”) and then click
the “Unordered List” button to format your entries. Using this feature
automatically activates the text color wheel and the size buttons.

Create an Ordered List: This feature works the same way as the “Unordered
List” option, but instead of displaying a series of bullet points, this option
will create an ordered list. (See above for formatting tips). This feature also
automatically activates the text color wheel and the size buttons.

Add a Link: Want to share a link? Use this feature to insert a hyperlink into
your Article. To hyperlink a word, first type the word you want hyperlinked or,
just select the word within the entry you want to hyperlink, and click on the
Link icon. When you do this, you’ll see a pop-up menu that says “Link
Options,” which will allow you to enter the link URL and a description, if you
want. You’ll also have the option of selecting whether or not the link will be
opened in a new window or in the same window. By selecting the “Open in a new
window” box, you’ll enable your readers to stay on your blog page, and,
explore the link you’ve presented them with.

If you’ve hyperlinked too much, use the “Remove link from text” link in
the bottom corner of this pop out window to remove it.

Insert an Image: Spice up your entry by adding an image from anywhere on the
web. Clicking on this icon will present you with a pop-out window that will
allow you to configure your image options.
Your blog within your profile does not support uploading images straight from
your computer. Instead, we allow you to find an image on the web and place that
image’s URL in this box. This will insert your image straight into your blog
entry.



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To adjust the size of your image, either manually adjust the pixels in the size
window, or, once you’ve clicked “Done” you can manually resize your image
by grabbing a corner and dragging it.

Adjusting the “Text Flow” will allow you to reposition your image within
your blog entry.

Adding a description is optional and does not display beneath the image.
Instead, when a viewer hovers over the image they’ll see your description as a
yellow pop-up.

The “Link URL” option allows you to hyperlink your image to another location
on the web. This can be used to send readers back to the original location of
the image (like your Flickr album), or, to a relevant site that relates back to
your entry.  Selecting the “Open in a new window” box will open a new
browser window and will allow users to stay on your blog entry and viewing the
new webpage.

Add Media: Click on this icon to embed a video from your favorite video sites
into your entry. All you need to do is grab the embed code and click “Done.”

Yahoo! Video Users:  Click on the envelope icon at the bottom of the video. The
Embed code will appear above.

Flickr Video Users: Click on Share This at the top right of the screen, and then
click on Embed it in the box that appears.

YouTube Users: The Embed code is to the right of the video, inside the
information box.

Edit HTML Code: Clicking on this icon will switch you over to “HTML Mode.”
Doing this “greys out” the WYSYWIG tools to display your blog entry in HTML
format. This way, if you’re an old pro at HTML, or, just prefer to edit
between carrots (< >) you’re able to.

Your profile page

Once you’ve hit “Post Entry,” your entry will show up on your profile
page. When you’re on your profile you’ll notice that the blogging feature
defaults over to the right column. If you prefer to give your entry a little
more space, just grab the entire box and drag it over to the first column.

On your profile, you’re able to rearrange the “Guestbook,” “My Blog,”
“About Me” and “Updates” modules. This allows you to rearrange your
content in whatever way you deem fit. The only modules within your profile that
are static are: “Connections,” “Invitations to Connect,” and your
contact card (this is the top portion that contains your name and display
image).

That’s it! If you have questions about the blogging tool, please feel free to
leave them in the comments section below, and I’ll respond to as many as I
can.

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager


Yahoo! 360 to Shut Down

Posted: 29 May 2009 09:14 AM PDT

Over the past two years there has been a lot of discussion about the closure of
Yahoo! 360° and the transition to our new profiles experience that we’ve had
in the works.  Today, we’re able to firmly say that on July 13, 2009 Yahoo!
360° will be closing down and you’ll be asked to move into your new profile
on Yahoo!, by July 12, 2009.

While we know that many of you have faithfully used this service over the past
few years, our goal has been to find a way to unify your social experience and
connections across all of Yahoo! and anywhere you travel across the Web. So,
while we’re sad to say that we will no longer be supporting Yahoo! 360°,
we’re excited about this larger plan and hope you’ll transition over and be
a part of it, too.

We also want to reiterate our commitment to preserving your blog content. We
have been working to make sure we put the right mechanisms in place so that you
can move your content <http://download.360.yahoo.com/>  and minimize disruption.
It is with this thought in mind that we’re happy to introduce a new blogging
feature that has already been integrated into your profile. You can find more
information on this below.

With your new profile on Yahoo! you’ll be able to connect with other people on
Yahoo!, and share your updates and activity with the people you meet on the Web.

While we know many of you are frustrated by this decision, we’d like to
address some of the main questions you might have. If your question has not been
addressed, please see our Help pages and list of frequently asked questions for
more information. You can also leave a comment below and I’ll try my best to
answer as many of your questions as possible. Though I can’t promise to answer
every question, I can promise to create additional posts on common issues and
trends to make sure “hot topics” are addressed.

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thĂ­ch blog báș±ng tiáșżng Việt vĂ  gáș·p gụ thĂȘm nhiều báșĄn bĂš Việt
Nam, hĂŁy chuyển táș„t cáșŁ bĂ i viáșżt vĂ  bĂŹnh luáș­n của mĂŹnh sang
Yahoo! 360plus.
Chuyển bĂ i viáșżt của tĂŽi về 360plus
<http://vn.blog.yahoo.com/chuyennha/>

Why is Yahoo! 360 closing?

Though 360 gained a strong core of loyal users (you) who enjoyed the service,
Yahoo! has been reprioritizing some products to help us deliver the best
possible experiences to consumers. The decision to close Yahoo! 360 and
transition users to profiles is part of this larger strategy, but we had been
waiting until we had an alternative solution that we could offer to our
community of Yahoo! 360 users until we officially shut down 360.

It’s been almost two years since you first announced 360 was closing—why
shut it down now?

Before we could retire 360, we had to find a sustainable and adequate solution
for your personal information. We know how important your blog entries and
profile information is to each of you, and we wanted to be able to maintain the
integrity of this content. Rather than rushing the process and risking data
loss, we worked on a broader solution across Yahoo! that would meet our future
goal of providing you the best possible social experience while at the same time
protecting your privacy and data. We’re happy to say that we now have a
solution that satisfies all of these requirements.

What is going to happen to my blog?

We know that many of you decided to blog in 360 because you enjoyed sharing your
content with the people you met on Yahoo!, which is why we’ve created two
options for your blog and all of its content.

The first is: you can start blogging on your profile on Yahoo!—we’ve created
an all new blogging tool that will let you post content and also allows you to
integrate photos right from Flickr. Once you create an entry, your post is
automatically pushed out in your updates stream to your connections, saving you
the hassle of sending out links to your latest entries.

A second option that we’re providing you is the ability to export your blog
<http://download.360.yahoo.com/>  and all of your content and to any of the
supported blogging systems (don’t worry—they’re popular sites like
WordPress, Blogger, and MoveableType).  We’ll even generate an archive with
all of your entries and photos and will send you a link to download the archive.
To use this option, please follow this link: http://download.360.yahoo.com/

First you shut down Mash, now you shut down 360—why should I give profiles a
shot?

We understand you might have doubts—in the past few years, you’ve seen a
couple of social sites come and go, and it means a lot to us that you’ve stuck
around while we’ve tweaked each experience.  Know that we’re committed to
having a universal profile across Yahoo!, and we’re committed to working with
you to improve and evolve this profile to make sure it’s what YOU want to use.
That doesn’t mean we can implement every piece of feedback you provide, but it
does mean we’re listening, and we are going to do our best to make sure your
interests are incorporated into future releases and versions of your profile.

What about customization and photos? On 360 I can change the look and feel and
upload multiple photos—can I do this with profiles?

At this time, your new profile does not have all the features and functionality
of your 360 profile. However, we are looking at incorporating new ways of
expressing yourself through your profile.

In regards to uploading multiple photos, your profile on Yahoo! allows for only
one primary photo for now. This is also something we’re looking at
improving/expanding based on your feedback.

We know that you will have lots of questions about 360 closing and how it will
affect each of you. Be sure to check out the Customer Care help pages (including
the FAQ’s <http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/360/shutdown/> ) to help make this
transition as smooth as possible.

Thank you.

Melissa Daniels
Yahoo! Community Manager

I'm just forwarding the below YM Alert from the Yahoo! Messenger Blog.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com
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important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo! Alerts [mailto:alerts@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:00 PM
To: lnvtm1@...
Subject: Y! Alert: Yahoo! Messenger Blog

Connection help in the latest Yahoo! Messenger
http://www.YMessengerBlog.com
On a normal day, we double click on the Yahoo! Messenger icon to sign in,
the yellow smiley wakes up, and our contact list loads. Then we're off and
chatting with friends. But sometimes, not everything works perfectly. Sign
in issues can sometimes be attributed to problems with an internet
connection. This is why we added a new Connection Troubleshooter tool to the
latest version of Yahoo! Messenger 10 . If Yahoo! Messenger has problems
connecting during the sign-in process, a small window will appear alerting
you that there may be a problem with your internet connection. From there,
you can click the Troubleshoot button to let it run some connection
diagnostics on your machine. After some quick analysis, it will recommend
some next steps for resolving the issue. The wizard also records all the
steps it took while diagnosing the problem. Click the "Show Details" button
on the final screen to view the details (sometimes it's helpful to copy and
paste those details when working with customer care on an issue). The
connection wizard is only available in the latest version of Yahoo!
Messenger 10 (10.0.0.1102 or later) which works on Windows XP, Vista and 7.
You'll only see this wizard when there is a problem with your internet
connection, such as a missing connection or problems with your internet
proxy.

Sarah Bacon
Product Manager

Just forwarding the below YM Blog.  My answer is NO... at least for a while.
XP and Vista both work fine for me and you know the old saying... "If it
ain't broke, don't fix it!"  Go to the actual YM Blog,
http://www.YMessengerBlog.com for the HTML version and any pictures or other
links.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information)
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo! Alerts [mailto:alerts@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 12:00 PM
To: lnvtm1@...
Subject: Y! Alert: Yahoo! Messenger Blog

Poll: Will you upgrade to Windows 7?

Now that Microsoft Windows 7 is out, do you plan to upgrade your Windows PC?
Will you upgrade to Microsoft Windows 7? ( online surveys )

Give us some more info please.

What version of YM?  (Help Menu>About... and that will give you your version
info.  BTW, this works for almost every computer program so it's good to
know as a general rule.)

What computer operating system (Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac, other?)

Which browser do you use?  (i.e. - Internet Explorer (IE), Firefox (FF),
other?)

The script error should have some details about what program or sub-program
is having the scripting issue.  It could be YM or Java or browser related,
etc.

Is this happening just when using YM and IM'ing a friend or when you are in
a chat room?

Can you take a screen shot and upload the image into your own online photo
album or set up an album in the group's photo section.... or write down
every detail of the script error?

If you do not know how to take a screen shot, let me know and I can give you
instructions.  It's simple to do and it's a good idea to know how to do this
so you can take screen shots whenever something strange happens on your
computer and then save the screen shots in a photo album on your computer so
you have access to the info when you need it in a forum or with other tech
support later.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information)
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.




-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miss Dawn
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:41 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] script errors



How can I fix getting script errors when trying to send an instant message
to someone?

I have Windows98SE, IE 6.0 or sometimes use FF 2.0.0.20 and it occurs whenever I
click on a buddy from my buddy list. Also, once I login and someone has left me
an offline IM, it shows up too so I am unable to read their messages. There are
several different script errors that I have to keep clicking off.

--- In Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com, "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder" <lnvtm1@...>
wrote:
>
> Give us some more info please.
>
> What version of YM?  (Help Menu>About... and that will give you your version
> info.  BTW, this works for almost every computer program so it's good to
> know as a general rule.)
>
> What computer operating system (Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac, other?)
>
> Which browser do you use?  (i.e. - Internet Explorer (IE), Firefox (FF),
> other?)
>
> The script error should have some details about what program or sub-program
> is having the scripting issue.  It could be YM or Java or browser related,
> etc.
>
> Is this happening just when using YM and IM'ing a friend or when you are in
> a chat room?
>
> Can you take a screen shot and upload the image into your own online photo
> album or set up an album in the group's photo section.... or write down
> every detail of the script error?
>
> If you do not know how to take a screen shot, let me know and I can give you
> instructions.  It's simple to do and it's a good idea to know how to do this
> so you can take screen shots whenever something strange happens on your
> computer and then save the screen shots in a photo album on your computer so
> you have access to the info when you need it in a forum or with other tech
> support later.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information)
> FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
> files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
> can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
> important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
> computer.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miss Dawn
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:41 AM
> To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Y!M] script errors
>
>
>
> How can I fix getting script errors when trying to send an instant message
> to someone?
>

Where can I download an older version of yahoo messenger (that's compatible with
windows98SE) and doesn't have several script errors when trying to IM someone on
my buddy list?

I have installed the messenger that I have and reinstalled several other
versions from http://www.oldapps.com/yahoo_messenger.php?old_yahoo=38
but the four different ones I've tried still have script errors!

Please help! I miss keeping in contact with my buddies!

You never did say which version of YM you are using.  I'm guessing it's at
least YM 8.1x since older versions are no longer supported by Yahoo and
without a 3rd party hack, are not supposed to be able to communicate with
Yahoo Servers.  I'm wondering if maybe you are using an older version and
this is why you only have limited use and the many script errors.

Click the Help Menu on your main YM (Friends list) window, then click About
Yahoo Messenger and let us know which version you are running.

If you can take screen shots of your script errors, this would be VERY
helpful as I previously explained.

Without having details, it's very difficult to help.

I see someone else mentioned uninstalling and reinstalling YM.  You can
download a FULL sized version of an older version and the last
still-supported version by Yahoo Servers, version 8.1x by going here...
http://www.filehippo.com/download_yahoo_messenger/

The problem with trying to use 8.1x is that it is not recommended for
Windows 98.  Yahoo says you would need at least Windows 2000 as your
operating system.  You can see this by clicking on the Technical tab on this
page, http://www.filehippo.com/download_yahoo_messenger/3153/, which is the
download page for version 8.1.0.421.  All other earlier versions of 8.0 also
required at least Windows 2000.  Even 7.0x requires Windows 2000.

I know you probably already know this... but maybe you don't... but you
probably shouldn't even be on the internet with Windows 98 and IE6 as they
both have such HUGE security holes.  I'm not as sure about FF 2.0 but since
it's current version is 3.5x, I would suspect it also has security holes.
Your computer is at severe risk of being infected with malware, even easily
being hacked or being otherwise compromised so that cyber-criminals could be
using your computer as part of a bot-net or zombie network.  They do this to
remotely use other people's computers to do further criminal activity so
it's harder for law enforcement to track things down to the real criminal.
I hope you have a good antivirus, antimalware and firewall on your computer
to at least frequently and regularly clean it up of any infections you may
get and the firewall would at least help block some attacks and possibly
keep any infections from getting back on the internet.

All that said and knowing there are still lots of other people using your
same type of computer and some even more modern computers without running
proper security, lets try to do the best we can with your situation.. but
you need to give more details before I can even attempt to find a solution
that might work for you.

Your other option is to look for a 3rd party app that would still let you
chat with your YM friends.  I see that Trillian 3.1.13.0 still has "Windows
(All Versions)" listed under it's Technical tab here,
http://www.filehippo.com/download_trillian_astra/5982/ so you might want to
try that as a way of at least chatting with your friends without the need
for Yahoo Messenger.  Trillian would also work with other IM clients such as
AIM (AOL's Instant Messenger), ICQ and MSN Messenger (now called Windows
Live Messenger).

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information)
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dawn865
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Y!M] script errors

I have Windows98SE, IE 6.0 or sometimes use FF 2.0.0.20 and it occurs
whenever I click on a buddy from my buddy list. Also, once I login and
someone has left me an offline IM, it shows up too so I am unable to read
their messages. There are several different script errors that I have to
keep clicking off.

--- In Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com, "LNVTM1 - Lenny Vasbinder"
<lnvtm1@...> wrote:
>
> Give us some more info please.
>
> What version of YM?  (Help Menu>About... and that will give you your
> version info.  BTW, this works for almost every computer program so
> it's good to know as a general rule.)
>
> What computer operating system (Windows XP, Vista, 7, Mac, other?)
>
> Which browser do you use?  (i.e. - Internet Explorer (IE), Firefox
> (FF),
> other?)
>
> The script error should have some details about what program or
> sub-program is having the scripting issue.  It could be YM or Java or
> browser related, etc.
>
> Is this happening just when using YM and IM'ing a friend or when you
> are in a chat room?
>
> Can you take a screen shot and upload the image into your own online
> photo album or set up an album in the group's photo section.... or
> write down every detail of the script error?
>
> If you do not know how to take a screen shot, let me know and I can
> give you instructions.  It's simple to do and it's a good idea to know
> how to do this so you can take screen shots whenever something strange
> happens on your computer and then save the screen shots in a photo
> album on your computer so you have access to the info when you need it
> in a forum or with other tech support later.
>
> Lenny Vasbinder
> http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information) FREE
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>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Miss Dawn
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:41 AM
> To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Y!M] script errors
>
>
>
> How can I fix getting script errors when trying to send an instant
> message to someone?

See my most recent LONG reply from a few minutes ago.

Old versions of YM, older than 8.1x, are no longer supported by Yahoo
Servers and newer versions, 8.1x and above are not compatible with Windows
98.  It looks like an older version of Trillian (see my previous reply) may
be the only thing that will work for you with your old OS.  You should
probably NOT use Internet Explorer at all and make sure you check the
Mozilla Firefox forums for the best version of FF and how to secure it as
best as possible for surfing the net.  I use an add-on called No Scripts
with the current FF version and use it to block most scripts except for the
ones I might allow on a site-by-site basis.

Lenny Vasbinder
http://lennyvasbinder.blogspot.com (Rants, Raves & Information)
FREE and automatic online remote backup of your documents, photos and
files... https://mozy.com/?ref=SY4ZSI  Check out how simple and secure it
can be to use the Mozy remote backup system.  Mozy will back up your most
important files and folders every day/night while you aren't using your
computer.


-----Original Message-----
From: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dawn865
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:13 AM
To: Yahoo_Messenger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Y!M] Script errors when using yahoo messenger

Where can I download an older version of yahoo messenger (that's compatible
with windows98SE) and doesn't have several script errors when trying to IM
someone on my buddy list?

I have installed the messenger that I have and reinstalled several other
versions from http://www.oldapps.com/yahoo_messenger.php?old_yahoo=38
but the four different ones I've tried still have script errors!

Please help! I miss keeping in contact with my buddies!



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