30 days have passed since the nomination phase of our annual elections
was completed, with no additional nominees.

Since there are no contests, and since every officer and board member
was nominated, seconded, and accepted, the roster stays the same as
last year.

--- In tt-inc@yahoogroups.com, "nancylieder" <zetatalk@...> wrote:
>
> I accept the nomination and second of myself for Secretary and
Treasurer.
>
> By my count all the current officers and board members have been
> nominated, seconded (several times) and accepted. Unless there is a
> contest for a seat between now and February 22, 2009, these will stand.
>
> If there is no contest, there is no need for an election.
>
>
> --- In tt-inc@yahoogroups.com, Gerard Zwaan <gerard@> wrote:
> >
> > I seond Nancy's nominations, and i accept Nancy's nomination of me
for
> > Vice President and i nominate Nacny for Secretary and Treasurer.
> >
>




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It's time once again for our annual elections. The steps are:
1. nominations
2. acceptance of nomination
3. voting, if any office is contested

The offices to be filled are:

President (currently Roger Thuma)
Vice President (currently Gerard Zwaan)
Secretary (currently Nancy Lieder)
Treasurer (currently Nancy Lieder)
Board of Directors (currenly Mary Simpson and Steve Havas, beyond the
officers mentioned above)

To start things off, I nominate:

Roger for President
Gerard for Vice President
Mary and Steve for the Board




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I heard on the BBC news this morning that NASA will announce today
that they have discovered smoking gun evidence for the existence of
life on the red planet. A thin layer of methane has been discovered in
the light Martian evidence.  Methane is a chemical that, in nature, is
derived exclusively from biological processes.  It cannot be in the
Martian atmosphere solely as a result of geochemical or meteorological
conditions. Therefore, the find heralds the existence of life on Mars.

What form does that life take? Most likely very simple microbial life
known as 'extremophiles', which are capable of handling the freezing
cold conditions on the planet.  It was thought that such life might
only be found below the surface of Mars, but recent discoveries have
raised the possibility that water has moved across the Martian surface
in the relatively recent past.  So it is plausible that the Martian
life might be nearer to the surface of the planet than originally
anticipated.

The finding, if proven, would be a great step forward for those of us
who advocate that life is as routine a feature of the galaxy as stars
and planets.  Whether life emerges as a natural event all over the
universe, or is widely spread by comets (panspermia) once it takes
hold, it is everywhere.  

The historic announcement will be made at 7pm today GMT.

Reference:  http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2133475.ece

Andy Lloyd, 14th January 2009

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UFOs, Nibiru, 2012...and the Mandaeans

Special report by Michael Cohen m.cohen@...

With all the talk about Nibiru, 2012 and UFOs it is amazing that many
doing the talking have never heard of the Mandaeans, really amazing.
It is like knowing all about Jesus and never having heard of the Jews.
In fact it is amazing that Jews, Muslims and Christians have hardly
heard of these people, considering they, in all likelihood, are the
possessors of the religion and heritage that gave birth to all of the
three monotheistic religions and they are still around to tell their
story even if no one wants to hear it.  So unknown is this grouping
that even spell-check on Microsoft Word doesn’t recognise their name:
yet none of this should diminish their incredible importance.

So who are the Mandaeans? Firstly there are about fifty thousand of
them left in the world. Most of them lived in Iraq as a cohesive group
for over four thousand years until America decided to go in to that
country and help create the chaos that now engulfs the place.
Ironically Saddam Hussein was a great friend of theirs and protected
them. Bizarrely Saddam understood their immense importance while the
west clearly didn’t.
In the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq it was said that since Saddam
Hussein was no longer around to protect them from the various Islamic
fundamentalist groups who might regard them as infidels they would be
safer outside their ancestral land, the land they have lived in for
least four thousand years. The vast majority left for Syria and
Jordan, allegedly for this reason. All of those that were able to
moved much further away. In what must have been one of history's
crassest shows of lack of humanity and ignorance, those who made the
initial mistake of heading to Australia were branded as serious terror
threats and then locked up for years in barbaric detention centres
together with the Muslims that were said to regard them as infidels.
Some Mandaeans attempted suicide in this horrific situation, many were
psychologically scarred for life by these events.

Strange as the Mandaeans are vegetarians and pacifists par excellence.
There exists no record of any Mandaean committing the crime of murder
for two thousand years! Perhaps that was Australia’s way of thanking
the group for the entire range of ‘Judeo-Christian’ beliefs that
supposedly underpin our society.
Anyway, to the history of the Mandaeans:  Much confusion and ignorance
exists regarding the Mandaeans and their history. For hundreds of
years the Mandaeans themselves have pretended to be ‘Christians of St
John’ in order to avoid persecution by both Christian and Islamic
rulers as a pre-Biblical and pre-Koranic religion.  This name refers
to the fact that the group does in fact regard St John as a prophet,
the only post-Abrahamic Judeo-Christian figure they do revere,
seemingly due to his respect for and use of water and baptism as means
of achieving purity (Immersing oneself in running water is a key
Mandaean religious activity): Jesus however is regarded as a false
messiah and even a demon. In fact as mentioned above, the Mandaeans
regard all Biblical characters starting with Abraham and beyond as
rather evil.  They do however revere Adam, Shem, Noah and even
Abraham’s father the Idol maker Terach as holy men. This alludes to
the pre-Judaic origin of the religion. Agenda driven Christian
scholars have always claimed the group are a Gnostic offshoot of
Second Temple era Judaism, so as not to shake or challenge the
foundations of Christianity. This explanation doesn’t wash for many
reasons and is clearly false.
As mentioned above it is unlikely that a religion based on Judaism
would reject all biblical prophets from Abraham and beyond, not to
mention have as one of its central tenets the belief that when the
messianic era does arrive the world will be washed of the influence of
the ‘Torah’ or the five books of Moses. The language the Mandaeans
speak has been confirmed as being one of purest linguistic descendants
of the ancient Chaldean-Babylonian tongue. The Mandaeans themselves
guard their lineage fanatically: in order to be part of the group all
ancestors must be Mandaeans, and no exceptions are allowed. The
community accept no converts and a Mandaean must marry another
Mandaean with all four grandparents and all eight great-grandparents
being Mandaeans and so forth. This has obviously hampered the growth
of the group in terms of numbers of the group. The beliefs of the
Mandaeans are clearly not based on Judaism but rather the other way
around: They mirror those of the ancient Babylonians, the very beliefs
that Judaism is built upon.
In the past the Mandaeans chose survival and were happy for outsiders
to be ignorant of their proud heritage, now however Mandaeans are more
likely to proudly tell the world who they really are: The direct
descendants in terms of culture, religion and genetics of the ancient
Babylonians and the Sumerians before them!  The main Mandaean website
www.mandaeanunion.org says no less.
So what do the Mandaeans believe in and how is this relevant to UFO’s
and Nibiru?
The orientalist E.S Drower inaccurately listed their beliefs as the
following:
A supreme formless Entity, the expression of which in time and space
is creation of spiritual, etheric, and material worlds and beings.
Dualism: a cosmic Father and Mother, Light and Darkness, Right and
Left, syzygy in cosmic and microcosmic form.
As a feature of this dualism, counter-types, a world of ideas.
The soul is portrayed as an exile, a captive: her home and origin
being the supreme Entity to which she eventually returns.
Planets and stars influence fate and human beings, and are also places
of detention after death.
A saviour spirit or saviour spirits which assist the soul on her
journey through life and after it to 'worlds of light'.
A cult-language of symbol and metaphor. Ideas and qualities are
personified.
'Mysteries', i.e. sacraments to aid and purify the soul, to ensure her
rebirth into a spiritual body, and her ascent from the world of
matter.
Great secrecy is enjoined upon initiates; full explanation of 1, 2,
and 8 being reserved for those considered able to understand and
preserve the gnosis.
According to Wikipedia: Mandaeans believe in marriage and procreation,
and in the importance of leading an ethical and moral lifestyle in
this world, placing a high priority upon family life. Consequently,
Mandaeans do not practice celibacy or asceticism. Mandaeans will,
however, abstain from strong drink and red meat. As already mentioned
they look forward to a future liberated from the influence of the
Torah, which they regard as evil in origin.
The key holy book of the Mandaeans is known as the Ginza Rabba.
However the key point here is that much of the above stated beliefs
merely represent the ‘outer-face’ of Mandaean faith, the beliefs that
Mandaean priests choose to reveal to non-Mandaeans. The above-
mentioned beliefs by no means represent the inner core of their belief
system and a mere glimpse into the Mandaean holy books will well
confirm this. Mandaeans fully understood the boundaries of tolerance
of the ‘great religions’ and knew they had to hide their more ancient
beliefs in order to carry them on to future generations.
In fact the Mandaeans still maintain all the classical Babylonian
beliefs, Enuma Elish, the God Marduk and ....the significance of the
planet Nibiru.  The Mandaeans worship a multitude of Gods
corresponding to ancient Babylonian ideas of divinity. Such Gods
include the well known Anu, Enlil and Enki and the mother goddess Ru
Ha. Here we have a cosmogony derived from the ancient Sumerians, and
we may regard the Mandaeans as the modern representatives of the faith
of Abzu and Eridu. The obvious importance of water and the requirement
to live near running water that springs from the ground is a clear
indicator of the Mandaeans true Sumerian lineage. These people are no
less than the descendants of the very priests of the most ancient of
all faiths!

It should be noted that despite the differences between Mandaean
beliefs and Judeo-Christianity, the faith of these people still forms
the basis of biblical religion. Adam and Eve and the creation story,
Noah's ark, the idea of baptism and the tower of Babel all spring from
the Mandaean faith. While the concept of the divine might differ, the
basic ideas of this ancient faith clearly influenced Abraham and the
development of early Judaism. The ethical aspect of the religion
differs little from the morality of the Ten Commandments. Much of
Mandaean scripture is remarkably similar to the Jewish Kabbalah.

Needless to say Astrology is a very big part of the faith and culture
and by all accounts the Mandaeans have inherited the Sumerian
traditions in this respect, the movements of stars and planets play a
crucial role in our lives according to mandaean faith. Little is known
of the Mandaean attitudes towards 2012, however of massive interest is
the fact that the entire community recently uprooted and left its
homeland…of four thousand years. This despite assurances by the
current Iraqi government that the group will be protected from
enemies.

This seems strange as the group has religiously remained the area they
regard as the earth's navel, once known as Mesopotamia, for 4000 years
and the region has seen more than its fair share of strife and war
over the millennia and the current conflict would hardly stand out in
this respect.  All that were able have gone to either far-flung Canada
or Australia. Why have these rather isolated areas been chosen? Do the
TRUE inheritors of Sumerian astrology know something about a coming
Middle Eastern catastrophe?
The Mandaeans also believe in Great Spirit Men that came from the
stars to teach their ancient Sumerian ancestors the arts of
civilization. These are of course the Annunaki. Fascinatingly ancient
Sumerian engravings depict Annunaki arriving on earth in UFO like
craft. It is believed that the Mandaeans today are waiting for the
Annunaki's imminent return and these inheritors of the most ancient of
astrological knowledge might well have 2012 marked as the year their
ancient allies return from the stars and reward them for millennia of
holding the torch of faith and knowledge for longer than any other
group on earth.
So do the Mandaeans possess secret knowledge of the UFO phenomena and
of a coming open alien presence on earth? Are they preparing for a
cataclysmic catastrophe in the year 2012? Perhaps we should ask them……
really nicely, and very soon: for all our sakes.



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Sitchin, by the way, has a brand spanking new DVD that addresses this
very issue.

Zecharia Sitchin Lecture and Slide Presentation


What will happen in 2012?
The End? The Return?
Will prophecies come true?

With so many predictions concerning 2012 -- mostly using and misusing
Zecharia Sitchin’s revelations regarding the planet Nibiru and the
Anunnaki -- Zecharia speaks out and gives his authoritative
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Offering a mass of evidence, he guides the listener through ancient
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biblical prophecies, and arrives at startling conclusions and precise
predictions regarding the End of Days.

An exclusive record of a presentation at an A.R.E. conference in
Virginia Beach, VA, in October 2008.

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On Dec 18, 6:46 am, mk23666 <MK23...@...> wrote:
> ^ I like the way you are thinking here Kai.
>
> I read "The End of Days" a year ago, this makes me want to re-read it
> again.
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