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[A12n-Collab] Re:Tech support for Yoruba orthography   Message List  
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Re: [A12n-Collab] Re:Tech support for Yoruba orthography

F Wolff wrote:

>> For Yoruba, we're talking about a maximum of two diacritics, a sub-dot
>> for
>> additional characters and an acute or grave to mark tone.

> Exactly. Is a combining diacritic for tone on top of a sub-dot vowel
> more complicated to support than a combining diacritic involving
> stacking?

No. It's technically very slightly less complicated in terms of the font
layout tables and developmentally about on par. It is implemented either
as an above anchor attachment on the /edotbelow/ glyph or as an above
anchor attachment on the /e/ with another, below anchor attachment for
the dotbelow.

Note that during some forms of normalisation, text may be fully
decomposed to letter plus combining mark sequences. Conversely, during
display, a layout engine may recompose via the font cmap table to
precomposed glyphs if they are in the font. Then, if I built the font,
there is a pretty good chance that these precomposed glyphs will be
contextually re-decomposed for mark positioning; this last stage because
it is more efficient for me to define anchor attachment on individual
base letters only rather than on all the precomposed diacritic glyphs as
well.


John Hudson


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... Exactly. Is a combining diacritic for tone on top of a sub-dot vowel more complicated to support than a combining diacritic involving stacking? Friedel ......
F Wolff
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Dec 30, 2008
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... No. It's technically very slightly less complicated in terms of the font layout tables and developmentally about on par. It is implemented either as an...
John Hudson
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Dec 30, 2008
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The precomposed glyph approach relies upon support for the <ccmp> GSUB OpenType layout feature. The dynamic mark attachment positioning approach relies upon...
John Hudson
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Dec 29, 2008
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... For Latin script the mark and mkmk features weren't available until Windows XP Service Pack 2. Peter, any info on when ccmp support was implemented? -- ...
Andrew Cunningham
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Dec 29, 2008
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I don't know for certain, but I think support for Latin combining marks was first added in versions of the Uniscribe library that shipped with Office 2003 and...
Peter Constable
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Dec 30, 2008
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... That fits with my memory too. <ccmp> support for Latin was implemented at the same time, I believe. Although we are here talking about <ccmp> vs...
John Hudson
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... One way of solving that is to enrich your spellchecker with a spell relaxer. For some Sámi languages, there is a habit of writing æ, ø in Norway and ä,...
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Thanks Trond,The spell checker we are developing is based on Hunspel (in Open Office). There are number of ways in Hunspel to get around this problem and we...
Tunde Adegbola
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... Hallo Tunde Did you perhaps request from the hunspell developer to implement support for unicode normalisation? That way it wouldn't matter which order or ...
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Hi Friedel,Good to hear from you.We have had a very good relationship with Nemeth Laszlo the creator of hunspel. He has responded to many of our queries with...
Tunde Adegbola
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... Dear Tunde, Andrew and others Here comes a short intro on what we do, dealing with morphology as well as with the spellrelax issue itself. Before reading...
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Thanks Trond. I have read through your post and taken a look at your website and I find your work quite interesting. I believe ours has a lot to learn from...
Tunde Adegbola
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Thanks to all for your contributions in this thread. As a partial summary, it sounds like the precomposed glyph approach is not as useful for addressing...
Don Osborn
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... but these problems will still exist if using precomposed glyphs in OpenType fonts. there are a couple of scenarios: 1) user has Windows Vista - text should...
Andrew Cunningham
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Hi Don, ... In the past a number of fonts have been designed this way for various languages Andrew -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator ...
Andrew Cunningham
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Dec 27, 2008
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Interesting. Kinldly explain how they work. Tunde ... Tunde Adegbola (Ph.D.) Executive Director African Languages Technology Initiative (Alt-I ... Inserting...
Tunde Adegbola
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Dec 27, 2008
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Re fonts: unless you have in mind having precomposed glyphs that are mapped to some custom encoding, there is probably no benefit to having precomposed glyphs...
Peter Constable
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Dec 28, 2008
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There is one advantage to having precomposed glyphs over dynamically composed ones. You can hint precomposed glyphs exactly how you please. Dynamically...
Denis Jacquerye
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Dec 28, 2008
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Better hinted results can be an advantage to precomposed glyphs, though I suspect hinted output is a minor detail if you are struggling to get any output at...
Peter Constable
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Dec 29, 2008
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I'd be interested in the approaches Trond is taking as well for some Sudanese languages I'm working on. ... -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development...
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