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Premise: Whereas "ordinary" unit test-driven design (UTTD) works well,
acceptance-test driven design (ATDD) has not. Why not?

- Programmers miss the fun / aha! moments / benefits that they get
from UTDD.
- Especially, there is a difference in scope and cadence of tests.
("Cadence" became a key word people kept coming back to.)
- Laborious fixturing, which doesn't feel as valuable as "real
programming".
- No insight into structure of system.

- Business people don't see the value (or ROI) from ATDD
- there's not value for them personally (as perhaps opposed to the
business)
- they are not used to working at that level of precision
- no time
- they prefer rules to examples
- tests are not replacing traditional specs, so they're extra work.

- There is no "analyst type" or tester/analyst to do the work.

- There *is* an analyst type, but their separate existence (from
programmers) leads to separate tools and hence general weakness, lack
of coordination

- There's no process/technique for doing ATDD, not like the one for
UTDD.

- ATDD requires much more collaboration than UTDD (because the
required knowledge and skills are dispersed among several people), but
it is more fragile (because the benefit is distributed - perhaps
unevenly - among those people).

- Programmers can be overloaded with masses of analyst- or tester-
generated examples. The analyst or testers need to be viewed as
teachers, teaching the programmers what they need to know to make
right programming decisions. That means sequences of tests that teach,
moving from simple-and-illustrative, to more complicated, with
interesting-and-illuminating diversions along the way, etc.

-----
Brian Marick, independent consultant
Mostly on agile methods with a testing slant
www.exampler.com, www.exampler.com/blog, www.twitter.com/marick




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