Here's a better description from my colleague Željko Filipin http://filipin.eu/increase-the-backlog/ Here's a better description from my colleague Željko...
1971
Gerard Meszaros
gmkayaker
Mar 15, 2013 2:26 am
Lisa, I happened across this thread and was wondering what progress has been made. I did review the the site included in the thread (e.g. ...
1972
Dave Haeffner
dhaeffner
Mar 25, 2013 9:33 pm
Greetings! I'm a long time reader, first time poster. Some of you may know me, most of you probably don't. I'm Dave Haeffner and I run a boutique Agile Testing...
1973
Matt Heusser
heusserm
Mar 25, 2013 9:41 pm
This reminds me -- are we doing aa-ftt meeting in Nasville in August? --heusser ... -- Matthew Heusser, Principal Consultant, Excelon Development ...
1975
Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
Apr 12, 2013 9:27 pm
Hi, will there be an AA-FTT meeting right before or during Agile 2013? Where would I find information about this? Best Markus -- Dipl.-Inform. Markus Gärtner ...
1976
cbphamjc
May 5, 2013 10:29 am
Hi Everyone, Hope you're all doing well. I've been working with Robot Framework for a while and find that it's great for automation. I'm currently doing an...
1977
Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
May 5, 2013 11:32 am
Hi Chieu, I have used both to automate tests for the Airport-Test Sampler. You can find both implementations in my github.com repo: ...
1978
George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
May 5, 2013 11:41 am
Chieu ... Have you tried Cucumber yourself? I suspect that you'll find the challenges are about the same as with Robot Framework. One problem is developing too...
1979
Dale Emery
dhemery...
May 5, 2013 4:34 pm
Hi Chieu, ... I often find Cucumber's Given/When/Then format overly constraining. Robot Framework allows me greater freedom to express my tests in whatever...
1980
Nigel Charman
nigel.charman
May 5, 2013 7:01 pm
... Have you looked at Concordion? It allows completely free-style HTML for the tests, with hidden HTML attributes to call the code. I see Concordion mostly...
1981
aslak hellesoy
aslak_hellesoy
May 5, 2013 11:18 pm
... This is the plan for the next major version of Cucumber. Gherkin will be the default, but the runner will be decoupled from the parser, and I want to make...
1982
CBPham
cbphamjc
May 6, 2013 8:05 am
Thanks everyone for your valuable input on cucumber! I'm just starting to play around with Cucumber to understand the features and limitations right now. At...
1983
aslak hellesoy
aslak_hellesoy
May 6, 2013 2:27 pm
... Out of curiosity - what kind of libraries did you find for RF that you didn't find Cucumber equivalents for?...
1984
Lisa Crispin
lisa_crispin...
May 6, 2013 2:55 pm
It's been about a year since my last team went w/ Robot Framework for GUI testing over FitNesse (which the team still uses for API-level testing), Cucumber and...
1985
Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
May 6, 2013 4:27 pm
I blogged about data-driven tests with RF a while ago on the Airport example here: ...
1986
cbphamjc
May 6, 2013 4:50 pm
Again thanks everyone for the valuable input on your experience. As mentioned in a previous email, I am just starting out with Cucumber so I am still slowly...
1987
aslak hellesoy
aslak_hellesoy
May 6, 2013 5:23 pm
... Chieu, Thanks for clarifying. I haven't used RF myself, but from what I can tell - RF libraries are kind of macro definitions that you can use directly in ...
1988
Lisa Crispin
lisa_crispin...
May 6, 2013 5:39 pm
Hi Chieu, We didn't actually include Cucumber in our bake-off, as most folks on our team weren't keen on the Gherkin given/when/then. I think it's a great ...
1989
Lisa Crispin
lisa_crispin...
May 6, 2013 5:44 pm
Another point in RF's favor was their active and extremely helpful developer community. I believe this is true of Cucumber and a number of other tools as well,...
1990
Markus Gärtner
shino01051979
May 6, 2013 6:41 pm
My main critique on RF is that the variety of libraries out there make it look like "I don't need to write code to automate tests", where in fact you start...
1991
Dale Emery
dhemery...
May 6, 2013 7:26 pm
Hi Chieu, ... Yes. Most of the time, it doesn't quite fit my intentions, though my concerns are minor and subtle. In cucumber, to use a data table I have to...
1992
Dale Emery
dhemery...
May 6, 2013 7:37 pm
Hi Aslak, ... My sense is that RF doesn't particularly encourage that, but neither does it discourage it. I think the prevalence of incidental details in tests...
1993
Gerard Meszaros
gmkayaker
May 6, 2013 8:58 pm
... The problem with trying to enforce abstraction and collaboration by forcing the non-technical people to use a different language (i.e. cuke vs. java or...
1994
aslak hellesoy
aslak_hellesoy
May 6, 2013 9:31 pm
... "push down" is a practice that the Cucumber community has advocated for a while, but it didn't have a catchy name until Matt Wynne gave it a name in the...
1995
Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
May 6, 2013 10:12 pm
I wouldn't call that "push down", but it's more like we're expressing the data more on the user goal level. Seriously, this seems to be mostly what DDD is...
1996
Gerard Meszaros
gmkayaker
May 7, 2013 5:33 am
... I'm happy with this so far. ... I think this is where we disagree (maybe). I don't believe we need to push this down into the programming language layer....
1997
Nigel Charman
nigel.charman
May 7, 2013 10:42 am
Hi Aslak, ... This sounds great. I look forward to giving it a try. ... Would you expand on why you think this? I find that HTML allows us to generate high...
1998
Matt Wynne
mattwynneatf...
May 7, 2013 12:37 pm
... Thanks for writing that Dale. I've been pointing people on my trainings to that article for several years when making this point. cheers, Matt -- ...
1999
Matt Wynne
mattwynneatf...
May 7, 2013 12:55 pm
I'm really enjoying this discussion. If I may correct my now "famous" quotation, I was talking in that presentation about pushing the *how* down the stack....
2000
aslak hellesoy
aslak_hellesoy
May 7, 2013 3:02 pm
... It's a long term goal, so it might not happen for a while - we have a long list of things we want to do :-) ... I think it's suitable in the context of...
