http://www.sdtconf.com After the great response from the last year's, first Simple Design and Testing Conference [SDTConf] in WestChester, PA, we are planning...
... I both agree and disagree. I recently attended the Google Test Automation Conference. It seemed to be poised right in the middle between the two...
Hi David, You said: "Scripting is a development activity and testers shouldn't generally be doing it. Dreaming up test cases is a testing activity and...
... It's interesting to think of this as a transitional time. The transition between hard-to-revise writing (longhand, typing, dictation) and easy-to-revise...
I wish basic programming skills were considered as essential as reading and writing. But for that to happen, some programming language must become a good deal...
Hi Elizabeth Thanks for your message. As I see it, most developers are mediocre testers and most testers are mediocre developers. It's hard enough to keep your...
I don't believe this is a universal truth. By providing the necessary scaffolding infrastructure (both in terms of code structure and in terms of the learning...
Hi Jeff From your description of scaffolding infrastructure, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing. (Though it sounds like you've been very ...
Ahh. Looks like you're coming at this from the FIT world where testers provide specs and data instead of writing test harnesses. I'm afraid I don't subscribe...
Hi David, I think that some testers can code, and some programmers can test. I also think that most testers are capable of learning general programming skills...
... Heresy, Elisabeth, Heresy! Why, didn't you grow up on "The Andy Griffith Show", "Leave it to beaver", or "I love lucy" --> In each of those shows, one of...
Heh heh, yep, I've been through the post-modern phase. Now I've come round full circle, and believe it's a mistake to overlap the way we do. Maybe I'm a...
First, I've changed the thread title because I think it is on topic. One of the things we tackled at the visioning workshop was an analysis of the users for...
Outstanding post, Elizabeth, I couldn't agree more. As an employee of a Soon-To-Be Big Name Commercial Testing Tools company, I can attest to the fact that we...
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Thanks for that, an excellent post for sure. I would further emphasize the unifying and enabling characteristic of tests that are expressed independent of the...
I'm in strong agreement with this, apart from the bit about specialization. My argument is not that we should "protect testers from code they aren't capable of...
... Ricardo's comparative advantage: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage> (which Paul Samuelson said was the law of economics that was both ...
... I hold that it is valuable to hold at least two specializations - dev and DBA, dev and tester, dev and analyst, tester and analyst, and so on. There are...
Hi! I'm a little late coming to this parade but here I am! I wrote my first code in 1969, Fortran on punched cards. Not too agile back then. I was introduced...
Howdy! As those of you who were at the AA-FTT visioning workshop know, we videotaped the lightning talks and tool demos. Those of you who were there also have...
Wow! Thanks so much for doing this. I wish we made some videos at http://agileopencalifornia.com Perhaps next year. -david ... -- David Vydra http://itarra.com...
Thanks Elisabeth! Appreciate your efforts on getting the videos out. And thank Kirk on our behalf. :) -- Naresh Jain http://agilefaqs.com http://agileIndia.org...
Just watched Brian Marick's Let Them Eat Cake video. Struck a responsive chord with some of my experience. Not sure why there should be a wide chasm in...
... The biggest problem I see is tools that are available in Java/C# and "conceptually possible" in other languages. (Fit, for example) I see deep penetration...
PS - Thanks for making these videos available. That's cool. I made my reply to 'let them eat cake' before watching the video; it was more on the content of...
I just joined the group, I've been eager to know what came out of the workshop since I couldn't attend, so it's great to have the videos, links and photos....
Hi, I've been working as a tester on agile teams since 2000. The difference in agile functional test tools available now vs. what was available back then is...
Pierre and I met for lunch yesterday and discussed this very topic. I believe that anyone on an agile team (or any team, really) who wants to learn how to do...
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