Mike, ... Yes, but should the visible data values only be the ones essential to the particular requirement/test? Irrelevant details do not remove ambiguity...
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Dale Emery
dhemery...
Apr 8, 2011 6:06 pm
Hi Mike and George, ... If the interface needs information that the test does not, I like to hide the information so that it doesn't appear in the text of the...
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jennitta andrea
jennitta_andrea
Apr 8, 2011 6:36 pm
I agree they are different, but related. This is the exciting (and difficult) part of what we are attempting to do as a community ... building the pattern...
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Mike Stockdale
jediwhale
Apr 9, 2011 2:31 pm
Exactly, hide irrelevant details. My concern is with a test containing "given I have an admitted patient with a medication allergy". If these are all relevant...
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Elisabeth Hendrickson
elisabethshe...
Apr 9, 2011 3:52 pm
... If we assume a context where the whole team takes responsibility for testing and quality and where the testers and programmers have equal access to the...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Apr 9, 2011 6:34 pm
Mike, Elisabeth, ... I don't think that the issue is whether it's the programmer who write it. I think the issue is how it gets expressed. This is one of...
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Rick Mugridge
rickmugridge
Apr 9, 2011 9:36 pm
... I agree with George. When a /defined action/ (a procedure/scenario) fails in FitLibrary, the details of the underlying call(s) are shown in the report,...
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Mike Stockdale
jediwhale
Apr 10, 2011 3:55 am
In my experience, a product owner has a better chance of expressing or verifying intent in a well-designed testing DSL than a general purpose programming...
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David Vydra
dvydra3
Apr 11, 2011 2:36 pm
Mike, in your opinion, can an internal DSL be well-designed? Cheers, David ... -- http://www.testdriven.com http://twitter.com/vydra...
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Mike Stockdale
jediwhale
Apr 11, 2011 10:54 pm
If I understand your question correctly, yes, I think it's possible to create an internal DSL that allows a product owner to express or verify intent in...
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mikefdwyer
Apr 12, 2011 7:22 pm
I have a client that is using TestComplete as a std tool. This team want to do FTT/TDD/ATDD in a hardcore scrum/XP way. Any experiences or observations out...
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Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
Apr 12, 2011 7:26 pm
I'd say try it out: http://www.automatedqa.com/products/testcomplete/ Maybe do a simple automation task with it to deal with the risk that it could be...
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Dan Woodward
rsidan
Apr 12, 2011 7:37 pm
Years ago I worked with TestComplete quite a bit. It is a decent tool for test automation, if you want a commercial tool and the stuff that goes with that....
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Pascal Roy
pascal_roy_1967
Apr 12, 2011 7:56 pm
For what it is worth, we had the chance to do 2 projects back to back at a client (.NET WinForms). The first one was using TestComplete. Keep in mind this...
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Martin Gijsen
martin.gijsen
Apr 13, 2011 7:47 am
Hi Mike, Perhaps my experience with TestComplete will be of use to you. I was hired by a client where TestComplete had been used by a group of testers for some...
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Matt Wynne
mattwynneatf...
Apr 13, 2011 9:00 am
Thanks George, ... I've been wondering lately whether this tension between abstract and imperative steps in the top-level tests is partly down to a matter of...
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Llewellyn Falco
isidore_us
Apr 13, 2011 2:57 pm
Abstractions come from the concrete. While I totally agree with the "Given I have an admitted patient with a medication allergy" I would only write this story...
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jennitta andrea
jennitta_andrea
Apr 20, 2011 3:19 am
We have just started working out the logistics and details for the annual workshop that is co-located with the Agile Alliance conference. As usual, it will be...
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Gojko Adzic
gojko_lastname
Apr 22, 2011 4:19 pm
As an industry, I think that we are now well beyond the perception that quality can be controlled for success. Lots of good thinkers and thought leaders over...
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Lisa Crispin
lisa_crispin...
Apr 22, 2011 4:24 pm
Gojko (and Elisabeth), I think this is brilliant! I know that for my team, when we want to solve a problem or improve something, we find a way to make it...
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bclancy84
Apr 22, 2011 4:49 pm
On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Gojko Adzic <gojko-yahoolist@... <mailto:gojko-yahoolist@...> > wrote: Trying to define the responsibility of...
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Gojko Adzic
gojko_lastname
Apr 22, 2011 4:53 pm
... Bob, I'm not arguing that the two roles we came up with at that particular client are globally applicable to all testers everywhere. I just wanted to point...
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bclancy84
Apr 22, 2011 4:59 pm
... wanted ... I think we are in agreement. -- Bob...
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Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
Apr 22, 2011 5:02 pm
Hi Gojko, I don't agree with the lack of technique, but rather with lack of knowledge. First of all I like to raise the question for what do you mean by ...
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Brandon Carlson
bjc0907
Apr 22, 2011 6:17 pm
Here's something we did at my last gig. This is more focused on development but can easily be taken up one more level of abstraction if necessary. In order to...
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Gojko Adzic
gojko_lastname
Apr 23, 2011 9:44 am
Hi Brandon, so if I understand correctly, you focused on visualising fragility? what decisions were you and your stakeholders making based on that? feature...
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Gojko Adzic
gojko_lastname
Apr 23, 2011 9:46 am
Markus, I think that the testing dashbord is spot on, seems to capture and present the information nicely. do you have any experience with the constraints and...
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Markus Gaertner
shino01051979
Apr 23, 2011 1:39 pm
Hi Gojko, unfortunately not. Thus far I haven't coached a team on Agile testing using the dashboard, but the experience reports attracted me to it. On a side...
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erik petersen
wvole
Apr 23, 2011 2:13 pm
I've used a dashboard on several projects, basically a whiteboard summarizing (to a lower level of detail than the task board) where we were at with the...
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Adam Geras
testfirst...
Apr 23, 2011 2:36 pm
I presented a dashboard at STPCon based on an adaptation of the one-page project manager format (oppm.net). This was very helpful in my context since I had to...
