I don't think that the SUT technology should be a key driver/differentator between these types of tools. Since we are using these tools to create Examples that...
... I totally agree with this, especially the part that acceptance testing tools/frameworks should be technology-independent. With a simple web app you don't...
... I look forward to the upcoming(and future)hands-on workshop(s) exploring Cucumber and other interesting tools, and summarizing the learnings in a publicly...
Gojko, How did your 'roundup' go last week? If you have links to presentations or video, please announce them here and add to the links section of our yahoo...
Emmanuel - thanks for posting this. Jennitta - I think that the event went rather well - we had around 50-60 people in the room which is great considering that...
Web apps are cool, but I'm really hoping to see an example of Rich Client application (as well) that we can use to demo Project White, Marathon, ... Hmmm....
Jennitta, I think your position could be rephrased to say that you are more interested in assessing frameworks than drivers. Because the SUT technology *is*...
I agree with Bret. I think we need to focus on frameworks, not drivers. Specifically, to me, a test framework: * Determines the format in which we express the...
As a tool developer, I second (or third? fourth?) the idea of focusing on framework, and specifically: how to express requirements/examples/tests, view results...
... Mostly +1 * Like others have said I think drivers will come up anyway (so 80/20 rule) * Also, I wouldn't like to stop people who have a real need for a...
... As a framework developer I'm very happy to concentrate on frameworks. I'm even more happier that at least on this list we have a consensus that frameworks...
I agree that we shouldn't prevent people from talking about drivers at the meeting; I just want frameworks to be the focus. Also, I want to encourage everyone:...
I interviewed last week for an Integration (functional, non-unit/non-GUI) Test Automation Lead (contractor) in a software development group on an agile project...
Al, Sounds very similar to the job I started last week at Guidewire Software. Let's talk. david@... 510-333-7579 PS. Everyone, we have more opening in QA...
Ok I'm sold the focus on frameworks is a good thing and will more than occupy the time. The one concern I have is that the Rich Client apps continue to feel...
Just now catching up on this thread. +1 on easyb and cucumber. ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers ...
+1 pm rich client app test framework. Coworker of mine has been using white and fitnesse together, looks cool. ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet...
can someone pls give me an example of a "driver"? I get lost in the terminology. What's the difference between a driver and, say, a library? On Fri, Jun 5,...
We would call FitNesse a framework because it has facilities to author and maintain tests and track results using a particular test format, in this case, FIT...
... A driver is a test tool that can interact with some interface. For example Watir is a driver you can use with web apps and Jemmy is a driver for Swing....
... terminology. What's the difference between a driver and, say, a library? Driver vs. Library are probably two ways to say the same thing. It doesn't help...
Thanks Pekka, Mike and Mark. All that helps. I've been struggling with this concept because I started out with the old-skool "test tools" eg. Mercury ...
... Sounds right to me too. WebTest isn't a generic framework, though, because, AFAIK, you cannot extend it with your own libraries/fixtures. That obviously...
... As far as the above definitions go, it is not quite a black or white issue. From the XML flavor of WebTest you can call any Ant command. Ant is quite...
... Sweet! I would love to see a demo of WebTest + Groovy + AllPairs and am curious how that would hook into JBehave since WebTest seems to provide the...
... I think that can be arranged - though for acceptance testing, most people seem to use EasyB instead of JBehave these days. I certainly plan to cover such...
I am happy that Paul will show WebTest at aa-ftt because I think it's the most overlooked framework/tool/driver/whatever it is around. We started using it at...
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