From: Marc Sabatella ... We do not agree: you think there is such a thing as a "treble+8" and "treble-8" clef; I see only a treble clef and an octave...
... Alex Until this discussion, I had never given much thought to how I use abc, but this has all prompted me to review my work and look at the way I do...
... I have not been following the development of the standard, but I am saddened to hear that it has gone in this direction that does not accord with the way I...
... That's the way I think about it too. In fact, I always write abc at sounding pitch even if it involves a lot of commas or apostrophes (BarFly has some...
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Jean-Francois Moine
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Aug 9, 2012 1:16 pm
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 08:33:20 +0100 ... Sorry to be back again! There is no 'old sense'. The standard is clear enough: "[middle=<pitch>] - is an alternate way to...
From: Philip Taylor ... Am I right in thinking that you write entirely for non-transposing instruments or those which (would conventionally be regarded to)...
... I think you're confused. This isn,t a new development or new direction. As far as I know, ABC has *never* supported a transposition mechanism that would...
... Right now (or at least 5 seconds before I started writing this) I was working on a piece of music in four parts which I want to try with an Eb and Bb...
In a recent message I indicated that to become anything other than a backwater abc has to handle transposing instruments effectively. At the centre of this is...
From: Jean-Francois Moine ... the clef. The pitch indicates what note is displayed on the 3rd line of the staff. Defaults are: treble: B; alto: C; tenor: A,;...
... I said, we agree on the *notation* - that is, what should physically be drawn, how one should *play* what they see, and what it should *sound* like. We...
... I can't tell you why "no-one" is using "transpose=" (as you stated in the earlier message); but I can tell why I'm not using it. Its function is one which...
... Maybe I am confused, but right now, I write abc at pitch. If I want the written music to appear at a different octave (without affecting sound) I can use...
... Well yes, and it's this that we are saying we desperately want to fix. You *can* write at pitch, but it doesn't actually *work* correctly. And the...
The clefs with the +|-8n postfix are the ones Marc is talking about. If we were redesigning abc from scratch, that would be "the" +|-8 clefs. Marc is quite...
Jef, the 2.1 document also contains the sentence "The middle specifier can be handy when working in the bass clef. Setting K:bass middle=d will save you from...
We need a precise *definition* of the standard, including rare cases, so that users and programmers can rely on it. That is what Richard is asking for, and...
From: Marc Sabatella ... OK agreed. ... Well mine were formed (a) on the basis of learning Bb clarinet starting around 1963, (b) playing with friends with...
Well I should say the interpretation of MusicXML by Finale Notepad 2012, (but as the Finale people now own the MusicXML standard, let’s suppose it is...
To explore the current state of affairs with “transpose=” I wrote a little ditty for flute, Bb clarinet, and Eb baritone sax. ====== %abc-2.1 I:abc-charset...
... Good story :-). I'd just add that as a pianist, composer, clarinetist, and recorder player since the 1970's, and I had never seen (or perhaps just never...
From: scheutzow4cond ... So you're happy that if you want to avoid commas in the bass clef, you have also to modify a non-transposing instrument so that it...
... Seems you are right. In fact, I couldn't any facility to change clef at all? Regular Finale has a clef tool (an icon with picture of a bass clef) in the...
From: Marc Sabatella ... Sorry I'm talking English again :-) Just be a little careful of the expression if you try to use it over here. With a northern...
... By no means fine. There may be a passage on page 7, where the original author uses "octave=", then your quick hack produces wrong notes. This is the price...
