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#17752 From: "Murrell, Amy" <amurrell@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:46 pm
Subject: UNT clinical Psych program needs a DCT
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I wanted to let you know about an Associate or Full Professor Director of
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Associate or Full Professor
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The Department of Psychology at the University of North Texas (UNT) invites
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#17751 From: Peter Thorne <contactpeterthorne@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: Re: victims of violence in Juárez, Mexico
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Dear Patricia

What a ghastly event.  The literature on critical incident debriefing overall cautions against intervening at this stage with any specific psychological intervention - may do more harm than good by pathologising normal processes of adjustment.  Have a look at the NICE Guidelines for PTSD - they're free and very thorough and based on extensive reviews of evidence.

http://www.nice.org.uk/CG26   Also check out the Contextual website for PTSD reading refs.

The great majority of the children and adults will react naturally to the event - i.e. by having some reliving experiences (dreams, nightmares, intrusive recollections etc), feeling shocked, vulnerable, tearful, etc - this is all natural normal and healthy stuff.  Clean suffering.  Perhaps the most appropriate help is reassurance of normal reactions, encouraging the school community to acknowledge collective distress via a school assembly, prayers, singing, etc, and embracing the idea that together we will get through these horrors.  Allowing normal distress.  Avoiding pathologising. Validating.

Having some agreed plans for where to refer those later on who may need it - but a period of watchful waiting of at least a month is recommended, and even then many people will still have significant re-experiencing without us having to think in PTSD terms.

It may also be helpful to identify some reading resources for staff.

I hope your support goes well, and they can get the message that experiential avoidance isn't the way, and nor is ruminating at length.

Best wishes

Peter Thorne
Consultant Clinical Psychologist
Dorset UK



From: Patricia Juarez <ppaattyy08@...>
To: acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy <acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 12 November, 2009 2:29:19
Subject: [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] victims of violence in Juárez, Mexico

 


 
Hi everyone,
 
I am writing to the list to see if some of you may be willing to share ideas and/or group exercises you would recommend for a group of children (ages ranging from 8-10), who last Wednesday witnessed an execution of 4 men right behind their school backyard while they were in physical ed. They didn’t actually see it, but they heard the gunshots and then found out what had happened. Now the kids are experiencing PTSD-like symptoms and behaviors, and the school asked us to go and intervene, not only with this group of kids, but with the entire elementary school (eighteen classrooms of around 40 students each), including the teachers who are themselves shocked and don’t know what to do to help their students.
 
Given that they live in an area of the city which has a lot of problems, that the situation of violence in Juárez doesn’t seem to be coming to an end any time soon (realistically speaking), and that I have no experience in working with kids, I would very much welcome any feedback  (back channel if you prefer).
 
Thank you very much in advance!
 

 

Paty Juárez

 
Mtra. Patricia Juárez Mendoza
Centro de Atención Psicológica SURÉ
Universidad Autónoma de Ciudad Juárez
 
"Once we recognize that thoughts are empty, the mind will no longer have the power to deceive us."  Khyetse Rinpoche



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#17750 From: "Maarten Aalberse" <maarten.aalberse@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:27 am
Subject: Diet Switching Can Activate Brain's Stress System, Lead To 'Withdrawal' Symptoms
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ACT relevant research:

http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1783974/scripps_team_shows_diet_switching_can_activate_brains_stress_system/index.html?source=r_health

PS eliminating "extrinsic" sugar from out diet is among the best things we can do to boost our immune system and protect us against flues of all kinds...

What if we add a little "intrinsic sweetness" to our lives?

Best to all,
Maarten


#17749 From: Peter <contactpeterthorne@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:50 am
Subject: victims of violence in Jurez, Mexico
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This is a truly horrible event. Research tells us that

#17748 From: "Maarten Aalberse" <maarten.aalberse@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:41 am
Subject: RE: victims of violence in Jurez, Mexico
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Hi Paty

You might want to try contact Ignacio Jarero (see below), who has done a lot of work with grouptreatments of children (and parents) suffering from trauma.
I have met them some 15 years ago, and was very impressed by their work, and their care and generosity. I think they're still around...
I don't have recent contact info, but if you have difficulties contacting them, please feel free to contact me by backchannel and i'll see what I can do.

Even if some of the protocols they use might need some adaptation for these to become ACT consistent, their long experience in Latin America may be herlpful for you.

Bon courage!
Maarten

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EMDR Integrative Group Treatment Protocol: A Postdisaster Trauma Intervention for Children and Adults

Ignacio Jarero
AMAMECRISIS, Mexico City, Mexico (IJ, LA); Colorado School of Professional Psychology, Colorado Springs, CO, USA (JH); informes@...

Lucina Artigas

John Hartung

AMAMECRISIS, Mexico City, Mexico (IJ, LA); Colorado School of Professional Psychology, Colorado Springs, CO, USA (JH)

Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) is recognized as an effective and efficient treatment for trauma-related issues. This article describes an integrated EMDR and group treatment for children and adults traumatized by natural disasters in several Latin American countries. This protocol combines the eight standard EMDR treatment phases with a group therapy model. The hypothesis is that the resulting hybrid offers more extensive reach than did the original EMDR model, which was intended for use with individuals, and takes treatment efficacy and efficiency well beyond that expected from traditional group process. To illustrate the application of the model, one formally measured field study and nine pilot projects are described. The promising results of this intervention suggest that EMDR is an effective means of providing treatment to large groups of people impacted by large-scale traumatic events (e.g., natural disasters). Controlled research is needed to clarify this issue.

Key Words: EMDR • Latin America • natural disaster • posttraumatic stress • trauma • children


Traumatology, Vol. 12, No. 2, 121-129 (2006)
DOI: 10.1177/1534765606294561


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Objet : [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] victims of violence in Jurez, Mexico





Hi everyone,



I am writing to the list to see if some of you may be willing to share ideas and/or group exercises you would recommend for a group of children (ages ranging from 8-10), who last Wednesday witnessed an execution of 4 men right behind their school backyard while they were in physical ed. They didn't actually see it, but they heard the gunshots and then found out what had happened. Now the kids are experiencing PTSD-like symptoms and behaviors, and the school asked us to go and intervene, not only with this group of kids, but with the entire elementary school (eighteen classrooms of around 40 students each), including the teachers who are themselves shocked and don't know what to do to help their students.



Given that they live in an area of the city which has a lot of problems, that the situation of violence in Jurez doesn't seem to be coming to an end any time soon (realistically speaking), and that I have no experience in working with kids, I would very much welcome any feedback  (back channel if you prefer).



Thank you very much in advance!





Paty Jurez

Mtra. Patricia Jurez Mendoza
Centro de Atencin Psicolgica SUR
Universidad Autnoma de Ciudad Jurez

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#17747 From: Joseph Cautilli <jcautilli2003@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:34 am
Subject: Fw: [ABA-B-Med-SIG] Position Florida
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Subject: [ABA-B-Med-SIG] Position Florida

 

Department of Mental Health Law and Policy
Louis de la Parte Florida Mental Health Institute
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of Behavioral and Community Sciences
University of South Florida
Tampa, Florida

Faculty Vacancy
Three Assistant Professor Positions

The Department of Mental Health Law and Policy is partnering with three campus departments to hire three faculty members: one with a joint appointment with the Department of Psychology (a 9-month appointment) , one with a joint appointment with the Department of Criminology (a 12-month appointment) , and one with a joint appointment with the College of Public Health's Department of Community and Family Health (a 12-month appointment) .  As joint appointments, successful candidates will split duties between MHLP and one other department.  Exact duties will depend upon the specific partnering department, but all three positions are tenure-earning faculty positions at the rank of Assistant Professor.  Successful candidates will conduct programmatic research, teach classes (beginning in the third year), and fulfill obligations for service (beginning in the third year).  After four years, the faculty members will be expected to earn a minimum of 25 percent of their salary from external funding (12-month positions).  Women and minorities are encouraged to apply.

 

The successful candidates will bring, or demonstrate the potential for, a program of research focused on co-occurring mental and substance use disorders within the justice system.  Within this area, we are particularly interested in investigators with experience or interest in one or more of the following areas: implementation science/translation al research, trauma, or veteran’s issues.  Substantial support will accompany each faculty position during the first four years of employment, including graduate research assistants, research consultants, a “Virtual Collaboratory” network, funding for pilot studies, conference travel and travel to participate in external research mentorships, and other research and training support.   

 

The faculty members will participate in a multidisciplinary NIDA-funded Research Core Center and will receive research mentorship within USF and from external mentor sites, including partners from the NIDA CJDATS-2 research network (http://www.cjdats. org).  The faculty member will be expected to secure ongoing external support for their research program and to promote and disseminate research findings at the national and international levels.  In addition to securing sponsored research funds, the faculty member will be active in professional outreach related to behavioral health services, and will develop collaborative research partnerships with University colleagues, as well as local, state, and federal agencies.

 

Websites for each department:

 

Minimum Qualifications

A terminal degree (e.g., Ph.D., J.D., Dr.PH.) in social/behavioral sciences, law, or equivalent, or have completed all requirements for a terminal degree within three months of the date of hire.  As a requirement of the NIDA-funded Research Core Center, eligibility for these positions is restricted to those who have not previously held a tenure-earning faculty position at an academic institution.

 

Preferred Qualifications

Established or demonstrated potential to secure external funding for a program of research in behavioral health services focused on co-occurring disorders in the justice system, and related areas of implementation science, trauma, or veterans services; excellent communication and interpersonal skills; ability to work collaboratively both within and outside the University; knowledge of and experience with health policy and services research related to mental health and substance abuse programs, including services provided within the justice system.

 

Start Date for Position

Negotiable, but we hope to have these positions filled by January 1, 2010.

 

Salary

$80,000 - negotiable

 

About the University of South Florida

The University of South Florida is one of the nation's top 63 public research universities and one of 39 community-engaged, four-year public universities as designated by the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching.  USF was awarded more than $360 million in research contracts and grants in fiscal year 2007/2008.  The university offers 219 degree programs at the undergraduate, graduate, specialist and doctoral levels, including the doctor of medicine.  The university has a $1.8 billion annual budget, an annual economic impact of $3.2 billion, and serves more than 46,000 students on institutions/ campuses in Tampa, St. Petersburg, Sarasota-Manatee and Lakeland. USF is a member of the Big East Athletic Conference.  USF's diverse population reflects the ethnic and cultural heritage of the economically dynamic Tampa Bay region, a community of some 2.5 million persons.

 

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Applicants must apply for these positions through the on-line employment application system Careers@USF. Click on, or copy and paste the following into your web browser internet address bar: employment.usf. edu/applicants/ Central?quickFin d=50943, and then press enter and you will go directly to the position #10567 posting on Careers@USF.  In applying for this position you apply for all three positions.  Applicants will complete an application, enter basic demographic information and upload cover letters, CVs, and other requested information on-line.  The postings are open until filled but the review of applications will begin on October 26, 2009. Applications must include a cover letter detailing the applicant’s qualifications for the position; include a description of the applicant’s research program and obtained or pending external funding; full contact information for at least three references (approval to contact references is assumed unless otherwise stated); a current curriculum vita; and a maximum of three reprints of representative publications.  For additional information you may contact Roger H. Peters, Ph.D., Chair and Professor, Department of Mental Health Law and Policy, peters@fmhi. usf.edu or (813) 974-9299.

 

If you have any difficulties submitting your application, please contact Human Resources at USFCareersHelp@ admin.usf. edu

 




#17746 From: Patricia Juarez <ppaattyy08@...>
Date: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:29 am
Subject: victims of violence in Jurez, Mexico
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Hi everyone,
 
I am writing to the list to see if some of you may be willing to share ideas and/or group exercises you would recommend for a group of children (ages ranging from 8-10), who last Wednesday witnessed an execution of 4 men right behind their school backyard while they were in physical ed. They didnt actually see it, but they heard the gunshots and then found out what had happened. Now the kids are experiencing PTSD-like symptoms and behaviors, and the school asked us to go and intervene, not only with this group of kids, but with the entire elementary school (eighteen classrooms of around 40 students each), including the teachers who are themselves shocked and dont know what to do to help their students.
 
Given that they live in an area of the city which has a lot of problems, that the situation of violence in Jurez doesnt seem to be coming to an end any time soon (realistically speaking), and that I have no experience in working with kids, I would very much welcome any feedback  (back channel if you prefer).
 
Thank you very much in advance!
 
 

Paty Jurez

 
Mtra. Patricia Jurez Mendoza
Centro de Atencin Psicolgica SUR
Universidad Autnoma de Ciudad Jurez
 
"Once we recognize that thoughts are empty, the mind will no longer have the power to deceive us."  Khyetse Rinpoche



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#17745 From: Jen Plumb <jcplumb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:50 pm
Subject: Latest "New Skills for Living" shows available for the public
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Hi all,

Just a note that our resident psychotherapist and television show host, Tom Lavin, has posted two of the latest interviews with ACT folks intended for public consuption:

Victoria Follette discusses coping with PTSD

Steve Hayes discusses ACT in daily life

These are two of a larger series on ACT which has already hosted several ACT folks and will continue to air and be posted for viewing through the next few months. Other shows that have aired so far have included nutrition, obesity, diabetes management, mindfulness, substance abuse and related topics. More are to come.

The link to Tom's site is up on contextualpsychology.org in the ACT for the Public section of the site (http://www.contextualpsychology.org/act_for_the_public), and can be viewed directly fromhttp://www.easeap.com/watch.htmlso let your clients and interested others know about it. They are great for anyone interested in learning more about ACT and are intended to help the public.

Best,
Jen

Jennifer Plumb, M.A.
Clinical Psychology Doctoral Program
Department of Psychology/298
University of Nevada
Reno, NV 89557-0062
Phone: (775) 682-8662
FAX: (775) 327-5043

The voyage of discovery is not in seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes. --Proust

#17744 From: "Beate Ebert" <be@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:54 pm
Subject: Transformation in Psychotherapy - The file that didnt work
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Hi everybody!

Thank you very much for every response to my first email in the ACT-list.

I know that I am very slow in responding… L and exercise acceptance with myself J. I will respond to all your emails.

I got the message that my word document did not work, so I copied the text into this email for the people who want to read it. It was a talk at the Conference “Health and Happiness for Humanity” in Gstrow, 24th of October, hosted from a big psychiatry, this year. And it says more about transformation and ACT how I see it. People were very interested and came to my ACT-workshops in the afternoon.

Thanks for your interest.

Love

Beate

 

 

 

 

TRANSFORMATION IN PSYCHOTHERAPY

 

Vortrag Gstrow, 24. Oktober 2009

 

 

My name is Beate Ebert, I am a psychologist and I am happy to stand here and speak publicly for the first time about a subject that really moves me:

Transformation in psychotherapy – what could that mean?

I have this question in my mind for years. I talked to colleagues about it and got answers like: “You have to separate transformation and psychotherapy, this is something completely different.” or “We had that before, this is not new.” or “What are you talking about? That sounds like African Woodoo.” 11 times I flew to Los Angeles and San Francisco for seminars and looked for an answer.

What I found was a promise, my promise to the world, that in 2024 all human beings are experiencing their natural love, relatedness and passion for each others greatness.

I would like to share with you some aspects I saw about realizing this promise in the area of psychotherapy.

 

Since I am adult I always did transformational work like body-therapy, Gestalt-therapy or the educational work of Landmark Education. And I had these amazing experiences of having an insight that altered my view on life, shifted the possibilities I saw and the actions that I took. The last one I had about two weeks ago in a session with my homeopath when I got that now it is time for me to give up my deep wish to have a child by birth. I have had this wish for 14 years and it has never been fulfilled. And I gave everything for it. Now I was ready to let that go. I was very sad and in the same moment something new opened up. I could not name it. It was huge and it gave me a big inner peace. Afterwards I was uncertain, how would my husband react on my experience and what does it mean for us after all these years, not working on being parents any more. We are still in the process, sometimes it is not easy but there is a new freedom in our life, no need to get somewhere anymore.

 

Experiences like that are precious and as a psychotherapist I am interested that my clients have insights like that.

But the methods I learned at university were more about adding knowledge instead of focussing on unexpected openings.

 

“Transforming” according to the dictionary means to alter something, to reorganize or reshape something. And “transformation” means the act and the result of transforming, so it is the way and the goal.

 

As transformation is an experience, not a concept, I would like to ask you to please do a little exercise with me.

So please close your eyes - and if you feel uncomfortable to close your eyes with so many people, you can just look at the ground. And then please get aware, what thoughts are in your mind: may be something like

“She is a psychologist – don’t they all have mental problem themselves?”,

“This is only the second presentation and I need to go to the bathroom – could I stand up and go?”

“Why did I come here, I would rather have a weekend off”….

 

And please try not to evaluate your thoughts but just watch them, like a friendly observer.

Realize that you are having these thoughts, realize your feelings and body sensations. Be aware that you are sitting on your chair and notice where your body is touching the chair.

 

Experience your breathing, in and out, and how your body moves with it.

Be aware with closed eyes, that you are in a room with about 200 people, doing the same thing you do.

Listen how calm it is in the room now.

 

Now you are present in the moment, aware of yourself, connected to yourself and to the other people in the room. Open all your cells for this experience. Take it in so you can reconnect to it whenever you want.

 

And now realize – before you open your eyes again – whether this little excursion made a difference in how you are sitting here, how present you feel, how relaxed you are and how connected you feel.

 

Now you can open your eyes again.

 

In the beginning of our exercise you could watch this little voice in your head, we all have it. It is commenting everything we experience, based on our knowledge.

 

This voice is very useful to classify things or to tell us that we should buy apples on the way home but it rarely tells us something really new.

Even if we have no severe mental problems this voice can be very annoying or at least boaring.

 

Now imagine someone is having an obsessive compulsive disorder, like one of my clients. His little voice told him again and again, every day, for years, that he needs to call his wife for something might has happened. So he made up a reason to call her just to hear her voice and know all is well. If he could not reach her, he had to leave his workplace, drive to his village and look around until he found her. The little voice also told him, “you better don’t tell anybody, they could think you are crazy”. Actually he himself thought, this was a little bit crazy. But he could not help doing it, otherwise he felt so bad and scared, he thought he could not stand that.

 

As an intelligent person, this client tried everything he knew. He told himself: “Today I will resist, I will be strong and not do it.” He talked to himself and tried to calm himself down. He postponed the phonecall and the pressure got stronger and stronger. And in the end he did it again.

He tried to talk about it with his wife, but she could not really understand what he meant or how to help him.

He ruminated why this was like that, what was wrong with him.

2 or 3 times he drank himself into unconsciousness because he could not stand it any more and he could have died in the wintertime, drunk outside in the night only with a shirt.

Then he decided to look for professional help and he came to my practice.

 

Unluckily we automatically consult our knowledge to solve a problem. And our knowledge often would recommend us to do the same things again and again even if they dont work.

To solve a problem like that it needs something outside your knowledge. Your knowledge more often is an obstacle on the way.

We can say, it needs a transformation.

 

I love the picture of a caterpillar: a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly by pupating and then all the cells get loose and then all the same cells connect in a brand new way. After that there is a new animal, a new way to move, the butterfly can fly instead of crawl. The world looks completely different from the perspective of a caterpillar or a butterfly. This is not a change, this is much more.

I like this picture for psychotherapy. People are coming with the experience of feeling like a caterpillar, crawling around the same problem or symptom for years. And from the perspective of a caterpillar there is no solution, but may be from the perspective of a butterfly.

 

One problem is that people come to psychotherapy, “knowing” they are a caterpillar, for example a caterpillar with a huge fear. And they don’t come to psychotherapy to become a butterfly. They want to become a caterpillar without that fear. Our automatic thinking is not transformational. So if you not even can think something, how could you pursue it?

 

The normal point of view in psychotherapy is: clients and therapists want to reduce symptoms. This is the most important measure for a successful therapy.

 

The picture behind it is: the normal state is trouble-free, we could say healthy and happy. Why would we have a conference like that if this was the normal state.

May be this picture is one of our biggest problems. According to the statistics of the World Health Organisation around 25% of all people in the world will develop one or more mental disorder in their lifetime.

 

So may be mental health problems are just part of the normal human life and there is a continuum from mental health to mental disorders. From that point of view may be we don’t have to fight symptoms and give a lot of energy to them. We all know that fighting is tiring. What if we don’t focus on the symptoms but on a valuable and fulfilled life, whatever the symptoms are?

Most mental disorders have something to do with the little voice in our head, panic and depressive disorders, schizophrenic disorders, personality disorders

 

What if we create a new relationship to this voice instead of fighting it?

In my therapy method, the Acceptance and Commitment Therapy, this is a behavior method developed by Steven Hayes and many others, in the ACT-Therapy the goal is not freedom of symptoms but psychological flexibility, that means to deal powerfully with whatever life presents you.

 

In the ACT-Therapy we investigate with our clients: What are you avoiding? What could you accept? What concepts about yourself, about life, about others could you give up? Could you become somebody aware of your symptoms, watching your symptoms but not fixed on them? Could you become aware of your values in life and act committed to these values, whatever symptoms you have?

 

In an investigation like that, in a non-judgemental, accepting environment we can have authentic conversations with our clients and things hidden from our view until then can become visible. Very often, there are blocked emotions from our childhood, because nobody taught us how to deal with overwhelming emotions. So we resist them and get stuck.

If in a therapy session an emotion like that comes up with a client and we lead our client to allow the experience in the body, to breathe it in, to give space to it, then the emotion can release and something new opens up. And nobody knows what that is before. This is in the area of not knowing. My experience is that it has something to do with freedom and peace and power.

And I say: it is our first job as psychotherapists, to say that such a transformation is possible – whatever the situation looks like.

 

 

If you remember the patient who had to phone his wife all the time – after I gave him some principles of my therapy he accepted very quickly the experience of his strong fear when he did not react on his fearful thoughts any more. He discovered an old experience as a child, how he always had to look after his mother in the night whether she is still alive. He was so afraid because his father had died so early. And the wife of my patient started a therapy too. She gave him a hard time because he had been so drunk two or three times and she was convinced he was an alcoholic. He brought her to one of our sessions and she saw that she was stuck in her own past - she has had an alcoholic father. The marriage got much better with her therapy. So my client had his last session four weeks ago and he said he rarely has some fearful thoughts and does not react on them. He takes care for his health, rarely drinks a little alcohol, works out and lost weight, smokes only half of what he smoked before and stopped drinking coffee because this reduced the fear. One big breakthrough for him was to tell a neighbour that he does not want him to drive with high speed in the street where all the children play. He had wanted to do that for years and did not dare and all the other neighbours did not dare either. The man still goes slowly, my client told me in the last session.

 

I know, this is only one case that went well. But I think it illustrates how simple and how complex in the same time it is to cause the transformation I am talking about. And it shows the impact one therapy can have on a life, a family, a community.

 

It is something missing in our entire society that we never learned how to deal powerfully with hurtful experiences. As human beings we automatically avoid painful feelings.

 

The good new is: It is simple to learn. The principle of dealing powerfully with difficult emotions or situations is awareness. You can deal with anything when you are aware of it and accept it.

And this kind of dealing with emotions leads to a natural compassion and relatedness to other peoples hurtful feelings because they are all the same for us human beings.

 

Imagine we would teach children at school how to deal with emotions like that. It would be easy, they are so flexible and they would stay flexible because they dont get stuck in their past experiences.

 

We could teach couples when they start their relationship, how to use tools like that. I am sure the divorce-statistics would go down.

 

We would use these principles ourselves, as psychotherapists, to be nurtured and happy, to create a new relationship to ourselves as therapists and with each other, not based on our opinions but on our commitments.

 

I think the principles I described, being present, awareness, acceptance, are not new, they are already there and many therapists use them, they work for all methods.

What I want to bring to it is the idea of transformation, transformational thinking, and the focus on it.

 

If we advance in this direction therapists would be known as a source of wellbeing in society and we would be proud of the difference, our work makes.

 

Clients instead of hiding their therapy or being excluded of private health insurances would be appreciated for their training in dealing powerfully with painful thoughts and feelings – and for the contribution they make to their families, friends and workplaces.

If we are really thinking big, our social, political and economic life would look different.

 

My last question is: what steps are we going to take today to have this possibility our reality? You could just exercise to be aware of your body sensations and thoughts and feelings, not take them so serious but accept them and act according to your values.

 

And if you want to know more about it how it works you can come to the workshop in the afternoon and experience it. Thank you very much for your attendance!

 

 

Dipl.-Psych. Beate Ebert

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#17743 From: "Maarten Aalberse" <maarten.aalberse@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:26 pm
Subject: Out of Our Heads: Why You Are Not Your Brain, and Other Lessons from the Biology of Consciousness
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A fellow-traveller?

Best to all,
Maarten

Alva Noe: "Out of Our Heads: Why You Are Not Your Brain, and Other Lessons from the Biology of Consciousness",Hill and Wang; 1 edition (February 17, 2009)

"No turns Descartes's famous statement on its head: I am, therefore I think, says No. The author, a philosopher at UC-Berkeley, challenges the assumptions underlying neuroscientific studies of consciousness, rejecting popular mechanistic theories that our experience of the world stems from the firing of the neurons in our brains. No (Action in Perception) argues that we are not our brains, that consciousness arises from interactions with our surroundings: Consciousness is not something that happens inside us. It is something we do or make. No points out that many of our habits, like language, are foundational aspects of our mental experience, but at the same time many, if not most, habits are environmental in nature—we behave a particular way in a particular situation. He goes on to challenge popular theories of perception, in particular the claim that the world is just a grand illusion conjured up by the brain. Readers interested in how science can intersect with and profit from philosophy will find much food for thought in No's groundbreaking study." (Feb. 24)


#17742 From: "Marg Vandermost" <marg_v@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:06 am
Subject: ACT and chronic pain - some nice feedback
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Hi there

 

Just wanted to share feedback from a client received yesterday via a colleague.

 

As background, I attended Russ’ workshops – beginners and advanced in November last year and as a result was determined to provide an ACT based chronic pain program. Previously I had co-presented the program with a physio and was primarily using CBT –challenging etc.

 

Using Living beyond your pain by Joann Dahl and Tobias Lundgren, I worked on new content with my physiotherapy colleague and we presented our first trial run in Feb 09. The first group had a number of ex-tradies, so our values sheet was the car battery form (not sure where we grabbed that from) which they related to. The course over 4 intensive weeks and with follow up 3 weeks later went exceptionally well and we were both excited with the prospect of continuing to refine the exercises.

 

Anyway, yesterday – 9 months later, colleague was talking to one of the participants who has a severe back injury. He has been back at work for over 3 months now and credits the course with “changing his life”. Pretty full on stuff but then he elaborated and said he now accepts his pain and can manage it – he quoted the defusion technique of leaves floating down the river as something he does every day and in his words “it really works”. He told my colleague he was initially skeptical when ACT was first proposed in the course, thinking I was a tree hugging hippy that would get everyone to sit around and meditate (paraphrasing from his quote) but said he is glad he stayed and found it incredibly beneficial.

 

I am no longer running the course – have passed on the baton after further refinement – but thought I would share this great example of the impact of ACT and the fact it is so sustainable.

 

Thanks Russ for being such a good teacher and Joann and Tobias for such a wonderful text.

 

Cheers

 

Marg

 


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Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2009 3:20 PM
To: tkashdan@...; acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] Curiosity, mindfulness and self-as-context

 

 

Hi Todd and all

I find this connection between curiosity and mindful awareness very interesting and important.
And I think we can connect this with another thread, that of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation.
My take on some of your work is that for you curiosity is intrinsically motivating; or in slightly different terms, that curiosity is intrinsically reinforcing.
Do you, or anybody else, have any comments on this?


From my part, one of the things that struck me watching Kevin Polk work was, how frequently in his trauma-groups he would respond to his members sharing some stuff:
"Ah, you noticed that... Interesting!" (or: "Isn't that interesting?"). And then this interest (maybe weak at first, maybe the persons couldn't quite go along with that) would be further activated by all the "sorting-and-deriving" he engages his patients in, via the matrix.

Seems to me that this  "Ah, you noticed that... Interesting!" is reinforcing "noticing" as well as the "self that is doing the noticing", as well as highlighting (reinforcing) the intrinsic reinforcement of interest/ curiosity.
And so, key elements of mindfulness are trained in an almost "offhand", informal, playful and conversational way.

What I'd better add, here, is that for Kevin whatever the patient notices is genuinely interesting; so it's much more than just a clever set of words, his own curiosity and care "shines through", very much so.

Best to all,

Maarten


-------- Message d'origine--------
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Date: mar. 10/11/2009 16:30
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Objet : [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context

Hi all,

If you look at the consensus operational definitions of mindfulness (Shaprio, Bishop, Teasdale, etc.), you find that there are 2 components:

1. self-regulation of attention- the awareness component
2. the quality of one's attention- paying attention with openness and curiosity

Most self-report scales focus on the awareness component and not the openness, curiosity, and receptivity to what is being attended to. Thus, it is not surprising that the correlations are small with openness measures. The problem with Openness scales is they are black boxes filled with facets that have little to do with each other. Being imaginative? Artistic preferences and sensibilities? Daydreaming? Creativity? Put these all together and you get non-random error with artistic minded people with artificially higher scores. We only get what the items tap. I think there are benefits to moving away from the globular beast of openness to capture the exact dimensions of interest.

I have some data being written up showing a synergistic interaction between curiosity and mindful awareness in predicting receptivity to difficult emotional material (reminders of death in a terror mgmt paradigm). In fact, we are presenting a poster with these findings at ABCT next week in the mindfulness SIG.

I am not sure why people are apt to neglect curiosity and openness as parts of mindfulness, not antecedents, correlates, or consequences, but part of being mindful.

Most experimental manipulations of mindfulness focus heavily on the first component of mindfulness but don't nab the first and second components. In the ACT model, curiosity is implicitly embedded in acceptance, defusion, and self-as-context but I argue it should be made more explicit. The person who does the best job of making it explicit is Russ Harris. He has at right at the forefront with being present and doing what matters.

cheers,
Todd

--
Todd B. Kashdan, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Psychology
George Mason University
Mail Stop 3F5
Fairfax, VA  22030
Office: 703-993-9486
Fax: 703-993-1359
Lab: http://mason.gmu.edu/~tkashdan/
Homepage: http://toddkashdan.com/
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--- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, "amielanger" <amie-langer@...> wrote:
>
> A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:
>
> 1.    nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
> 2.    awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself
>
> The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.
>
> So my question is.even though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context (and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on the latter.
>
> Thank you,
> Amie
>
>
> *****************************************
> Amie N. Langer, M.A.
> Clinical Psychology Graduate Student
> The University of Iowa
> E11 Seashore Hall
> Iowa City, IA  52246
> amie-langer@...
>



#17741 From: "Maarten Aalberse" <maarten.aalberse@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:20 am
Subject: Curiosity, mindfulness and self-as-context
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Hi Todd and all

I find this connection between curiosity and mindful awareness very interesting and important.
And I think we can connect this with another thread, that of intrinsic and extrinsic motivation.
My take on some of your work is that for you curiosity is intrinsically motivating; or in slightly different terms, that curiosity is intrinsically reinforcing.
Do you, or anybody else, have any comments on this?


From my part, one of the things that struck me watching Kevin Polk work was, how frequently in his trauma-groups he would respond to his members sharing some stuff:
"Ah, you noticed that... Interesting!" (or: "Isn't that interesting?"). And then this interest (maybe weak at first, maybe the persons couldn't quite go along with that) would be further activated by all the "sorting-and-deriving" he engages his patients in, via the matrix.

Seems to me that this  "Ah, you noticed that... Interesting!" is reinforcing "noticing" as well as the "self that is doing the noticing", as well as highlighting (reinforcing) the intrinsic reinforcement of interest/ curiosity.
And so, key elements of mindfulness are trained in an almost "offhand", informal, playful and conversational way.

What I'd better add, here, is that for Kevin whatever the patient notices is genuinely interesting; so it's much more than just a clever set of words, his own curiosity and care "shines through", very much so.

Best to all,

Maarten


-------- Message d'origine--------
De: acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com de la part de tkashdan@...
Date: mar. 10/11/2009 16:30
: acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com
Objet : [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context

Hi all,

If you look at the consensus operational definitions of mindfulness (Shaprio, Bishop, Teasdale, etc.), you find that there are 2 components:

1. self-regulation of attention- the awareness component
2. the quality of one's attention- paying attention with openness and curiosity

Most self-report scales focus on the awareness component and not the openness, curiosity, and receptivity to what is being attended to. Thus, it is not surprising that the correlations are small with openness measures. The problem with Openness scales is they are black boxes filled with facets that have little to do with each other. Being imaginative? Artistic preferences and sensibilities? Daydreaming? Creativity? Put these all together and you get non-random error with artistic minded people with artificially higher scores. We only get what the items tap. I think there are benefits to moving away from the globular beast of openness to capture the exact dimensions of interest.

I have some data being written up showing a synergistic interaction between curiosity and mindful awareness in predicting receptivity to difficult emotional material (reminders of death in a terror mgmt paradigm). In fact, we are presenting a poster with these findings at ABCT next week in the mindfulness SIG.

I am not sure why people are apt to neglect curiosity and openness as parts of mindfulness, not antecedents, correlates, or consequences, but part of being mindful.

Most experimental manipulations of mindfulness focus heavily on the first component of mindfulness but don't nab the first and second components. In the ACT model, curiosity is implicitly embedded in acceptance, defusion, and self-as-context but I argue it should be made more explicit. The person who does the best job of making it explicit is Russ Harris. He has at right at the forefront with being present and doing what matters.

cheers,
Todd

--
Todd B. Kashdan, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Psychology
George Mason University
Mail Stop 3F5
Fairfax, VA  22030
Office: 703-993-9486
Fax: 703-993-1359
Lab: http://mason.gmu.edu/~tkashdan/
Homepage: http://toddkashdan.com/
Blog: huffingtonpost.com/todd-kashdan



--- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, "amielanger" <amie-langer@...> wrote:
>
> A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:
>
> 1.    nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
> 2.    awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself
>
> The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.
>
> So my question is.even though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context (and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on the latter.
>
> Thank you,
> Amie
>
>
> *****************************************
> Amie N. Langer, M.A.
> Clinical Psychology Graduate Student
> The University of Iowa
> E11 Seashore Hall
> Iowa City, IA  52246
> amie-langer@...
>




#17740 From: "Robb, Harold B." <robbhb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:58 am
Subject: RE: "Without resistance"
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Jacqueline,

Yes, it makes sense and seems "right on" to me. And from a "bigger picture" of a
Leading Principle such as, "Be the best parent I can be," all of the stuff can
be seen as dove tailing together. Making your son's shopping experience as
pleasant as possible isn't just in the service of "have a good time," or "keep
him from being such a pain to me as he is when he as a 'bad' time." Rather, it
seems more in the service of "don't let other stuff interfere with the skills
that I think will help him life his life well." By aiming to "help them grow up"
you do things that "help them grow up" and those things are reinforcing not just
in and of themselves but because they are part and parcel of "help them grow
up." I think that is precisely Kelly's definition of values in ACT.


I'll soon be off traveling so it may be awhile before I respond again.

Best,

Hank

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Hi Hank,

Yes, this is helpful. Thanks. I guess that what confuses me is when I try to
understand a small operant as being values consistent. Let me check if I get
this right:

For example: Two weeks ago I went shopping with my children for clothes. The
small picture would be: the reinforcement is in having the clothes they
needed after the shopping. The big picture would be: I tried to let my kids
make their own decisions, they had their own money so they can learn to
spend it wisely, I tried to make it a pleasant enterprise (since my son
hates shopping for clothes, that takes some skill). And even that is only a
small picture because my kids will not learn to spend their money wisely
when they go shopping with their own money once. It is part of a process.
But since I know what I am doing it for, and that is mostly a verbal thing,
I will feel reinforced by the act of letting them make their own decisions,
knowing (verbally) this will probably help them to learn to do that wisely
over time.

Makes sense?

Best,

Jacqueline

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Jacqueline,

"Means-ends" analysis is a relational frame. It can be arbitrarily applied
to anything. "Means" ar not somehow "inately means" and "ends" are not
somehow "inately ends;" at least not from a functionalist perspective.. The
usual BIG main feature is that "means" temporally preceed "ends." This is
why the concept of "reinforcement" is often so hard to get one's head
around. The "reinforcement" comes after, not before, the behavior and by
that "placement" tends to make the probability of the behavior more likely
in a similar context; and if it doesn't, it wasn't a "reinforcer."

When you note, "and they respond to me in an open friendly manner" might be
a "result," yes it could. And you don't have to stop the analysis there. You
can look at a "bigger" picture. "An operant" can be a big or as small as one
cares to make it. It is a "way of looking," not "the thing looked at."
Operants can have ANY size. So, you COULD stop with the "friendly manner,"
and you could look "bigger." "Be the most likable person I can be" might be
the self-chosen Leading Principle I am following, and there might be some
other Leading Principle such as "Be as conected with the folks you are with
as you can." Likely, the way, "and they respond to me in an open friendly
manner," fits with the first is likely not the way it fits with the second.
With regard to the first, the response is likely to be the whole point. With
the second, it is a "signal of connection" which links to something bigger
than the immediate response itself which is why it is a "signal" - both an
R+ and an SD+ for "more of that"  where "that" is "connecting" "stuff."

If you look at Kelly's definition, he is talking about "BIG" operants from
the point of view of "time and size." So, you will have to look at something
"long enough and wide enough" to see if what he is describing is what's
going on. The thing is, there are also short cuts because we claim that
"valued action" is vitalizing and you can contact "vitalizing" rather
quickly, either with yourself or with others. The "just going through the
motions" experience vs. the "WAY COOL" experience sort of hits you in the
face when you have enough discrimination history. You can even notice, "Well
this isn't much for me, but s/he sure seems to be getting off on it," or
vice versa.

The main point I would make is that if you make an operant analysis "big
enough" you will be able to ANALYTICALLY "break it into smaller pieces." The
"smaller pieces" aren't "real pieces," that's just how you broke it up. So
you go back to, "What was the point of breaking up that way?" If you answer,
" to find the REAL reinforcers," the heart of Functional Contnextualism has
slipped away - and it is easy to do in a system that has taught us about
"reality and how sciece cuts realty at its joints." "THERE ARE NO JOINTS!,"
he said with perhaps too much enthusiasm. :)

So, according to Kelly (and his definition seems fine enough to me), "In
ACT, values are freely chosen, verbally constructed consequences of ongoing,
dynamic, evolving patterns of activity, which establish predominant
reinforcers for that activity that are intrinsic in engagement in the valued
behavioral pattern itself." OK, if you want to see if what you are looking
at is about "values," as defined, then look "big enough" so that the
definition can apply. If you look "smaller," it can't. If you look "big" and
then "break big into smaller," don't get trapped in the "reality of the
pieces." Go back and ask what the point of making the pieces was in the
first place. If the answer is, "to find the REAL/TRUE analysis," smile, sigh
and notice, "Yea, metaphysical realism suckered me again!"

Hope this helps.

H
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Hi all,

I am very grateful for this discussion about reinforcement. I am confused
and hope to de-confuse.

I learned from Kelly this about values: In ACT, values are freely chosen,
verbally constructed consequences of ongoing, dynamic, evolving patterns of
activity, which establish predominant reinforcers for that activity that are
intrinsic in engagement in the valued behavioral pattern itself.

Intrinsic is explained as: Independent of results or outcome.

Here is where I get lost.

Hank wrote: 'If I am trying to have a conversation with someone and they
respond to me in an open friendly manner, that ought to be reinforcing to
me. How people respond is an intrinsic part of the action of conversing and
not something extrinsic to it.'
But that could be considered a result, right? So what confuses me is: what
do we consider a result or outcome and what not? What is a natural part of a
response pattern and what is not?

HELP!

Best,
Jacqueline


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One thing at a time please BIll. Hmmmm. Widely accepted. Dunno.
Theoretically coherent. I would argue it with anyone anytime. Try the
alternative - discrete objects or events are the reinforcers. I can readily
find examples where that just doesn't work, but that are clearly examples of
reinforcement. Here is a pretty simple explication from Mindfulness for Two
- pages 31-33 with examples of why responses as movements and stimuli as
objects are insufficiently flexible ways of speaking.

Two Common Errors in Understanding Responses and Stimuli
Two common misconceptions about responses and stimuli are that responses are
movements and stimuli are discrete objects. From a contex- tual behavioral
perspective, these are both incorrect in the most techni-

p. 31
A Clinician's Guide to Stimulus ControlMindfulness for Two
cal sense. On the response side, standing still is defined as a response if
I can demonstrate that standing still, as the response of interest, is
capable of being organized by context, which is to say, capable of being
provoked by some kind of stimulus. For example, if I give you a five-dollar
bill when you stand still and take five dollars when you move and thereby
alter the probability that you'll stand still, then "standing still" meets
our defini- tion of behavior: it's something the organism can do. Also,
standing still can be brought under contextual control-that is, it's in
dynamic inter- action with a stimulating environment.
On the stimulus side, the most common error is to think of a stimu- lus as
an object. We might, for example, see the five-dollar bill as the stimulus
that organizes behavior. In a limited sense, this is true, but a more
sophisticated way to think of this is that standing still changes the world
from one where you can't buy things to one in which, with your crisp, new
fiver, you can. It is that transition from not having the power to buy
things to having that power that organizes behavior, not the bill per se.
For example, if I gave you a billion dollars, the promise of an extra five
bucks would likely no longer organize your behavior, and you would stand
still or move as it pleased you. Or if I locked you in a cell where money
couldn't be spent or given away, five dollars (or even a billion) wouldn't
do much to organize your behavior. Why not? Because receiv- ing the
five-dollar bill in either of those two contexts wouldn't change your world
in any significant way.
In many applications, calling the five-dollar bill a reinforcer of behavior
is probably workable. (We should remember that, despite the leaps and bounds
of contemporary physics, Newton's classical mechanics work just fine in most
instances too.) However, we want a more sophis- ticated understanding of the
dynamic interaction of responding and stimulating.
Why does it matter? The distinction matters because sometimes there's no
object or immediate discrete event to which we can point. Richard Herrnstein
and Philip Hineline (1966) carried out a classic experimental example that
illustrates this point nicely. In their study, rats were placed in an
experimental chamber, and the floor of the chamber was briefly electrified
at random intervals. If the rats pressed a certain lever within the chamber,
the shocks would come at a slightly reduced, though still random, interval.
What Herrnstein and Hineline found in the experiment was that lever pressing
was maintained in the rats. We cannot understand the maintenance of the
lever pressing by appealing to the immediate effects of lever pressing. The
most common immediate effect of a lever press was that nothing would happen.
In fact, as result
P. 32

of the shocks coming at random intervals, the lever press was sometimes
followed immediately by a shock. Why did the rats press the lever? In simple
terms, the rat pressed the lever because doing so precipitated a transition
in context from one in which shocks are more frequent to one in which they
are less frequent.


best,
kelly


On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, William Kordonski wrote:


Transition from one context to another is the rein forcer? Is this a
generally accepted view in BA?

And so, if I may look at intrinsic vs. extrinsic reinforcement: There is
really no difference.

Ex: playing a guitar for an audience vs for oneself is just a change in
context from non-playing to playing. Extrinsic then is something you can
identify in the environment to distinguish one context from another. Is that
right?

Bill

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Subject: Re: [acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy] "Without resistance"



Maarten - I truly do not think anyone is in opposition to the concern you
express. There is just too much contrary evidence. People have said again
and again on the list, me too, that avoidance is not inherently bad, that
people ought to pick their own pace, that movement is always relative to the
client's values and pace.

IMO ACT in Practice is just talking about openness to experience. In my
view, openness does not involve complete and inflexible absorption - I have
seen clients who indulge in that and plenty of "feel your feelings"
therapists ready to help them do it. I have been guilty of it
myself--intoxicated by the potency of emotion. ACT is not a feel your
feelings for it's own sake therapy though. I think, and individual authors
can correct me if I am wrong, that it is probably just a matter of economy
of words.

Here is an example from behavior analysis. I train people to always always
always think of reinforcers as transit ions in context. The food pellet is
not the reinforcer for the rat's lever press. The reinforcer is the
transition in context from one in which eating is not possible to one in
which eating is possible. This conception of reinforcement is much more
flexible than an object oriented understanding of reinforcement. It allows
us to talk sensibly about both the rat lever pressing for food and the rat
lever pressing to transition from higher density of shocks to a lower
density of shocks even when any particular press might be followed by an
immediate shock. It allows for a scaling up or down or our understanding of
relevant context (molar vs molecular) without changing the analytic
sensibilities.

That said, you can find me talking about reinforcers as if they are objects
or discreet events sometimes because the transition in context language is
cumbersome. I wonder if what you are seeing is like that. I just cannot
think of any major ACT treatment develope r who would say "resisting
feelings is always pathogenic" - I can easily imagine them saying, about
avoidance, about fusion, about turning away from values, that there is a
risk involved, but not a blanket always pathogenic claim.

perhaps the discussion can serve to remind us to come back frequently to the
always contextualized, functional understanding of what is and is not
pathogenic.

anyhow, my two cents,

kelly




On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Maarten Aalberse wrote:







Oh dear.

With a little trepidation I come back to this diffciult discussion on
"without needless defense".

It's because in looking up something completely different, I stumbled on
this, in ACT in Practice, P; 128:

"(...) rather the aim is to embrace what is currently being felt without
resistance".

I don't think I'm playing wordgames when I say that this implies that
resistance is pathogenic.

This I can't agree with, for both theoretical and clinical reasons.

A little detail to add to the above, resistance in psychoanalysis refers to
resisting the therapist's interventions....

So where "without defense" is problematic for me, "without resistance" is
IMO even more off track.

As a little aside: "without" is dead-man's territory for me.

Best to all (really!)

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#17739 From: "Marco" <marcokleen@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context
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Good one, curiosity as part of the ACT model, although I think that it depends
on how you apply the model in the first place. I suppose a lot of ACT therapists
would use it implicitly. Personally, I apply the concept curiosity to one's own
mind, experiences and thoughts as part of being aware in the present and
defusing from content of thoughts in clients a lot, although I might use other
words for it (f.i. friendliness, compassion). I use curiosity a lot in treating
OCD, as part of 'being curious to the strange working of your mind and its
creativity for creating difficult thoughts', or something.

Best,
Marco

--- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, tkashdan@... wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> If you look at the consensus operational definitions of mindfulness (Shaprio,
Bishop, Teasdale, etc.), you find that there are 2 components:
>
> 1. self-regulation of attention- the awareness component
> 2. the quality of one's attention- paying attention with openness and
curiosity
>
> Most self-report scales focus on the awareness component and not the openness,
curiosity, and receptivity to what is being attended to. Thus, it is not
surprising that the correlations are small with openness measures. The problem
with Openness scales is they are black boxes filled with facets that have little
to do with each other. Being imaginative? Artistic preferences and
sensibilities? Daydreaming? Creativity? Put these all together and you get
non-random error with artistic minded people with artificially higher scores. We
only get what the items tap. I think there are benefits to moving away from the
globular beast of openness to capture the exact dimensions of interest.
>
> I have some data being written up showing a synergistic interaction between
curiosity and mindful awareness in predicting receptivity to difficult emotional
material (reminders of death in a terror mgmt paradigm). In fact, we are
presenting a poster with these findings at ABCT next week in the mindfulness
SIG.
>
> I am not sure why people are apt to neglect curiosity and openness as parts of
mindfulness, not antecedents, correlates, or consequences, but part of being
mindful.
>
> Most experimental manipulations of mindfulness focus heavily on the first
component of mindfulness but don't nab the first and second components. In the
ACT model, curiosity is implicitly embedded in acceptance, defusion, and
self-as-context but I argue it should be made more explicit. The person who does
the best job of making it explicit is Russ Harris. He has at right at the
forefront with being present and doing what matters.
>
> cheers,
> Todd
>
> --
> Todd B. Kashdan, Ph.D.
> Associate Professor
> Department of Psychology
> George Mason University
> Mail Stop 3F5
> Fairfax, VA  22030
> Office: 703-993-9486
> Fax: 703-993-1359
> Lab: http://mason.gmu.edu/~tkashdan/
> Homepage: http://toddkashdan.com/
> Blog: huffingtonpost.com/todd-kashdan
>
>
>
> --- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, "amielanger"
<amie-langer@> wrote:
> >
> > A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion
regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a
review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion
regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:
> >
> > 1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
> > 2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself
> >
> > The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to
focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative
awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the
second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second
process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental
freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors
assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream
mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article
concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness
because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur
within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it
reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.
> >
> > So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus
on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context
(and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the
authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do
not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other
portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT
incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing
self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only
speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on
the latter.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Amie
> >
> >
> > *****************************************
> > Amie N. Langer, M.A.
> > Clinical Psychology Graduate Student
> > The University of Iowa
> > E11 Seashore Hall
> > Iowa City, IA  52246
> > amie-langer@
> >
>

#17738 From: Tony Biglan <Tony@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:26 pm
Subject: Recidivism
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#17737 From: tkashdan@...
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:30 pm
Subject: Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context
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Hi all,

If you look at the consensus operational definitions of mindfulness (Shaprio,
Bishop, Teasdale, etc.), you find that there are 2 components:

1. self-regulation of attention- the awareness component
2. the quality of one's attention- paying attention with openness and curiosity

Most self-report scales focus on the awareness component and not the openness,
curiosity, and receptivity to what is being attended to. Thus, it is not
surprising that the correlations are small with openness measures. The problem
with Openness scales is they are black boxes filled with facets that have little
to do with each other. Being imaginative? Artistic preferences and
sensibilities? Daydreaming? Creativity? Put these all together and you get
non-random error with artistic minded people with artificially higher scores. We
only get what the items tap. I think there are benefits to moving away from the
globular beast of openness to capture the exact dimensions of interest.

I have some data being written up showing a synergistic interaction between
curiosity and mindful awareness in predicting receptivity to difficult emotional
material (reminders of death in a terror mgmt paradigm). In fact, we are
presenting a poster with these findings at ABCT next week in the mindfulness
SIG.

I am not sure why people are apt to neglect curiosity and openness as parts of
mindfulness, not antecedents, correlates, or consequences, but part of being
mindful.

Most experimental manipulations of mindfulness focus heavily on the first
component of mindfulness but don't nab the first and second components. In the
ACT model, curiosity is implicitly embedded in acceptance, defusion, and
self-as-context but I argue it should be made more explicit. The person who does
the best job of making it explicit is Russ Harris. He has at right at the
forefront with being present and doing what matters.

cheers,
Todd

--
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Associate Professor
Department of Psychology
George Mason University
Mail Stop 3F5
Fairfax, VA  22030
Office: 703-993-9486
Fax: 703-993-1359
Lab: http://mason.gmu.edu/~tkashdan/
Homepage: http://toddkashdan.com/
Blog: huffingtonpost.com/todd-kashdan



--- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, "amielanger"
<amie-langer@...> wrote:
>
> A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion
regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a
review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion
regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:
>
> 1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
> 2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself
>
> The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus
more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative
awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the
second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second
process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental
freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors
assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream
mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article
concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness
because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur
within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it
reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.
>
> So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on
this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context
(and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the
authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do
not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other
portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT
incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing
self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only
speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on
the latter.
>
> Thank you,
> Amie
>
>
> *****************************************
> Amie N. Langer, M.A.
> Clinical Psychology Graduate Student
> The University of Iowa
> E11 Seashore Hall
> Iowa City, IA  52246
> amie-langer@...
>

#17736 From: tkashdan@...
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context
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Hi all,

If you look at the consensus operational definitions of mindfulness (Shaprio,
Bishop, Teasdale, etc.), you find that there are 2 components:

1. self-regulation of attention- the awareness component
2. the quality of one's attention- paying attention with openness and curiosity

Most self-report scales focus on the awareness component and not the openness,
curiosity, and receptivity to what is being attended to. Thus, it is not
surprising that the correlations are small with openness measures. The problem
with Openness scales is they are black boxes filled with facets that have little
to do with each other. Being imaginative? Artistic preferences and
sensibilities? Daydreaming? Creativity? Put these all together and you get
non-random error with artistic minded people with artificially higher scores. We
only get what the items tap. I think there are benefits to moving away from the
globular beast of openness to capture the exact dimensions of interest.

I have some data being written up showing a synergistic interaction between
curiosity and mindful awareness in predicting receptivity to difficult emotional
material (reminders of death in a terror mgmt paradigm). In fact, we are
presenting a poster with these findings at ABCT next week in the mindfulness
SIG.

I am not sure why people are apt to neglect curiosity and openness as parts of
mindfulness, not antecedents, correlates, or consequences, but part of being
mindful.

Most experimental manipulations of mindfulness focus heavily on the first
component of mindfulness but don't nab the first and second components. In the
ACT model, curiosity is implicitly embedded in acceptance, defusion, and
self-as-context but I argue it should be made more explicit. The person who does
the best job of making it explicit is Russ Harris. He has at right at the
forefront with being present and doing what matters.

cheers,
Todd

--
Todd B. Kashdan, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Department of Psychology
George Mason University
Mail Stop 3F5
Fairfax, VA  22030
Office: 703-993-9486
Fax: 703-993-1359
Lab: http://mason.gmu.edu/~tkashdan/
Homepage: http://toddkashdan.com/
Blog: huffingtonpost.com/todd-kashdan



--- In acceptanceandcommitmenttherapy@yahoogroups.com, "amielanger"
<amie-langer@...> wrote:
>
> A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion
regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a
review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion
regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:
>
> 1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
> 2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself
>
> The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus
more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative
awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the
second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second
process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental
freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors
assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream
mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article
concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness
because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur
within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it
reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.
>
> So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on
this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context
(and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the
authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do
not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other
portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT
incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing
self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only
speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on
the latter.
>
> Thank you,
> Amie
>
>
> *****************************************
> Amie N. Langer, M.A.
> Clinical Psychology Graduate Student
> The University of Iowa
> E11 Seashore Hall
> Iowa City, IA  52246
> amie-langer@...
>

#17735 From: "Baer, Ruth" <rbaer@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:51 pm
Subject: mindfulness and openness
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Hi all,

 

Regarding the recent question about the relationship between mindfulness and openness to experience:

 

My data on the Kentucky Inventory of Mindfulness Skills (KIMS) and the Five Facet Mindfulness Questionnaire (FFMQ) show that openness to experience as measured by the NEO-FFI is significantly correlated with the observing facet of mindfulness (tendency to notice or attend to various internal and external stimuli), with r values of .50 (KIMS) and .42 (FFMQ). However openness is much less correlated with the other mindfulness facets. You can see this in Table 3 of Baer et al (Assessment, 2004, using KIMS data) and Table 6 of Baer et al (Assessment 2006, with FFMQ data). In both cases, the Acting with Awareness facet of mindfulness, which is the facet that’s most similar to the MAAS, has a near-zero relationship with openness to experience (.01 or .02).

 

This type of pattern is part of my argument for why it’s important to consider multiple elements of mindfulness, at least until we’re more clear on exactly what mindfulness is. If mindfulness is about noticing things, then it’s correlated with openness to experience. However if mindfulness about not acting on automatic pilot, then it isn’t.

 

Best wishes to everyone,

 

Ruth

 

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Department of Psychology

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University of Kentucky

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#17734 From: Steven Hayes <stevenchayes@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context
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Awareness of awareness is contacting perspective taking -- which is what self as context is.

Weird that MBSR would be singled out (not having read it). It is
not just ACT. Metacognitive Therapy has a similar concept and focus

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On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Chad Drake <chad.e.drake@...> wrote:

I don't have access to the article and so have not read it. That being said, I agree that #2 (awareness of awareness) sounds more like self-as-context and less like defusion. And also puzzling that they don't acknowledge ACT's emphasis on building both skills.

Could you perhaps post the article?



On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM, amielanger <amie-langer@...> wrote:

A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:

1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself

The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.

So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context (and psychological flexibility more generally)? My mind is puzzled that the authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on the latter.

Thank you,
Amie

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#17733 From: "Maarten Aalberse" <maarten.aalberse@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:29 am
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Hi folks

First of all I want to thank all of you who helped me navigate through my difficulties with acceptance practices as "being intrusive", as "pushing for experiences", as "dismantling defenses" etc.

It reminded me once more to not to forget (blush) to appreciate the huge difference it makes if acceptance is done in the service of values, instead of apparently a goal in and of itself.

As an interesting aside: I remembered this morning how the classical dutch word for acceptance: "aanvaarding", originally referred to two boats navigating alongside eachother, connecting ("aan") while floating ("varen") in the same direction.
Doesn't that sound a bit like the good not-so-old bus metaphor where we "take passengers along for our ride toward our values"?

Another illustration of the importance of seeing acceptance as one part of the hexaflex instead of apparently a goal in and of itself: when studying Tara Brach's "Radical Acceptance" it became clear for me that Tara's clients get into difficulties with accepting when... they stay massively fused with painful thoughts.
Makes me wish for Tara (whose work I find very inspiring) more explicitly introducing defusion...

Best to all,
Maarten


#17732 From: "Jacqueline A-Tjak" <a-tjak.turk@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:31 am
Subject: RE: [english 100%] [Spam][english 100%] Re: "Without resistance"
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Hi Hank,

Yes, this is helpful. Thanks. I guess that what confuses me is when I try to
understand a small operant as being values consistent. Let me check if I get
this right:

For example: Two weeks ago I went shopping with my children for clothes. The
small picture would be: the reinforcement is in having the clothes they
needed after the shopping. The big picture would be: I tried to let my kids
make their own decisions, they had their own money so they can learn to
spend it wisely, I tried to make it a pleasant enterprise (since my son
hates shopping for clothes, that takes some skill). And even that is only a
small picture because my kids will not learn to spend their money wisely
when they go shopping with their own money once. It is part of a process.
But since I know what I am doing it for, and that is mostly a verbal thing,
I will feel reinforced by the act of letting them make their own decisions,
knowing (verbally) this will probably help them to learn to do that wisely
over time.

Makes sense?

Best,

Jacqueline

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Jacqueline,

"Means-ends" analysis is a relational frame. It can be arbitrarily applied
to anything. "Means" ar not somehow "inately means" and "ends" are not
somehow "inately ends;" at least not from a functionalist perspective.. The
usual BIG main feature is that "means" temporally preceed "ends." This is
why the concept of "reinforcement" is often so hard to get one's head
around. The "reinforcement" comes after, not before, the behavior and by
that "placement" tends to make the probability of the behavior more likely
in a similar context; and if it doesn't, it wasn't a "reinforcer."

When you note, "and they respond to me in an open friendly manner" might be
a "result," yes it could. And you don't have to stop the analysis there. You
can look at a "bigger" picture. "An operant" can be a big or as small as one
cares to make it. It is a "way of looking," not "the thing looked at."
Operants can have ANY size. So, you COULD stop with the "friendly manner,"
and you could look "bigger." "Be the most likable person I can be" might be
the self-chosen Leading Principle I am following, and there might be some
other Leading Principle such as "Be as conected with the folks you are with
as you can." Likely, the way, "and they respond to me in an open friendly
manner," fits with the first is likely not the way it fits with the second.
With regard to the first, the response is likely to be the whole point. With
the second, it is a "signal of connection" which links to something bigger
than the immediate response itself which is why it is a "signal" - both an
R+ and an SD+ for "more of that"  where "that" is "connecting" "stuff."

If you look at Kelly's definition, he is talking about "BIG" operants from
the point of view of "time and size." So, you will have to look at something
"long enough and wide enough" to see if what he is describing is what's
going on. The thing is, there are also short cuts because we claim that
"valued action" is vitalizing and you can contact "vitalizing" rather
quickly, either with yourself or with others. The "just going through the
motions" experience vs. the "WAY COOL" experience sort of hits you in the
face when you have enough discrimination history. You can even notice, "Well
this isn't much for me, but s/he sure seems to be getting off on it," or
vice versa.

The main point I would make is that if you make an operant analysis "big
enough" you will be able to ANALYTICALLY "break it into smaller pieces." The
"smaller pieces" aren't "real pieces," that's just how you broke it up. So
you go back to, "What was the point of breaking up that way?" If you answer,
" to find the REAL reinforcers," the heart of Functional Contnextualism has
slipped away - and it is easy to do in a system that has taught us about
"reality and how sciece cuts realty at its joints." "THERE ARE NO JOINTS!,"
he said with perhaps too much enthusiasm. :)

So, according to Kelly (and his definition seems fine enough to me), "In
ACT, values are freely chosen, verbally constructed consequences of ongoing,
dynamic, evolving patterns of activity, which establish predominant
reinforcers for that activity that are intrinsic in engagement in the valued
behavioral pattern itself." OK, if you want to see if what you are looking
at is about "values," as defined, then look "big enough" so that the
definition can apply. If you look "smaller," it can't. If you look "big" and
then "break big into smaller," don't get trapped in the "reality of the
pieces." Go back and ask what the point of making the pieces was in the
first place. If the answer is, "to find the REAL/TRUE analysis," smile, sigh
and notice, "Yea, metaphysical realism suckered me again!"

Hope this helps.

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Hi all,

I am very grateful for this discussion about reinforcement. I am confused
and hope to de-confuse.

I learned from Kelly this about values: In ACT, values are freely chosen,
verbally constructed consequences of ongoing, dynamic, evolving patterns of
activity, which establish predominant reinforcers for that activity that are
intrinsic in engagement in the valued behavioral pattern itself.

Intrinsic is explained as: Independent of results or outcome.

Here is where I get lost.

Hank wrote: 'If I am trying to have a conversation with someone and they
respond to me in an open friendly manner, that ought to be reinforcing to
me. How people respond is an intrinsic part of the action of conversing and
not something extrinsic to it.'
But that could be considered a result, right? So what confuses me is: what
do we consider a result or outcome and what not? What is a natural part of a
response pattern and what is not?

HELP!

Best,
Jacqueline


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One thing at a time please BIll. Hmmmm. Widely accepted. Dunno.
Theoretically coherent. I would argue it with anyone anytime. Try the
alternative - discrete objects or events are the reinforcers. I can readily
find examples where that just doesn't work, but that are clearly examples of
reinforcement. Here is a pretty simple explication from Mindfulness for Two
- pages 31-33 with examples of why responses as movements and stimuli as
objects are insufficiently flexible ways of speaking.

Two Common Errors in Understanding Responses and Stimuli
Two common misconceptions about responses and stimuli are that responses are
movements and stimuli are discrete objects. From a contex- tual behavioral
perspective, these are both incorrect in the most techni-

p. 31
A Clinician's Guide to Stimulus ControlMindfulness for Two
cal sense. On the response side, standing still is defined as a response if
I can demonstrate that standing still, as the response of interest, is
capable of being organized by context, which is to say, capable of being
provoked by some kind of stimulus. For example, if I give you a five-dollar
bill when you stand still and take five dollars when you move and thereby
alter the probability that you'll stand still, then "standing still" meets
our defini- tion of behavior: it's something the organism can do. Also,
standing still can be brought under contextual control-that is, it's in
dynamic inter- action with a stimulating environment.
On the stimulus side, the most common error is to think of a stimu- lus as
an object. We might, for example, see the five-dollar bill as the stimulus
that organizes behavior. In a limited sense, this is true, but a more
sophisticated way to think of this is that standing still changes the world
from one where you can't buy things to one in which, with your crisp, new
fiver, you can. It is that transition from not having the power to buy
things to having that power that organizes behavior, not the bill per se.
For example, if I gave you a billion dollars, the promise of an extra five
bucks would likely no longer organize your behavior, and you would stand
still or move as it pleased you. Or if I locked you in a cell where money
couldn't be spent or given away, five dollars (or even a billion) wouldn't
do much to organize your behavior. Why not? Because receiv- ing the
five-dollar bill in either of those two contexts wouldn't change your world
in any significant way.
In many applications, calling the five-dollar bill a reinforcer of behavior
is probably workable. (We should remember that, despite the leaps and bounds
of contemporary physics, Newton's classical mechanics work just fine in most
instances too.) However, we want a more sophis- ticated understanding of the
dynamic interaction of responding and stimulating.
Why does it matter? The distinction matters because sometimes there's no
object or immediate discrete event to which we can point. Richard Herrnstein
and Philip Hineline (1966) carried out a classic experimental example that
illustrates this point nicely. In their study, rats were placed in an
experimental chamber, and the floor of the chamber was briefly electrified
at random intervals. If the rats pressed a certain lever within the chamber,
the shocks would come at a slightly reduced, though still random, interval.
What Herrnstein and Hineline found in the experiment was that lever pressing
was maintained in the rats. We cannot understand the maintenance of the
lever pressing by appealing to the immediate effects of lever pressing. The
most common immediate effect of a lever press was that nothing would happen.
In fact, as result
P. 32

of the shocks coming at random intervals, the lever press was sometimes
followed immediately by a shock. Why did the rats press the lever? In simple
terms, the rat pressed the lever because doing so precipitated a transition
in context from one in which shocks are more frequent to one in which they
are less frequent.


best,
kelly


On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, William Kordonski wrote:


Transition from one context to another is the rein forcer? Is this a
generally accepted view in BA?

And so, if I may look at intrinsic vs. extrinsic reinforcement: There is
really no difference.

Ex: playing a guitar for an audience vs for oneself is just a change in
context from non-playing to playing. Extrinsic then is something you can
identify in the environment to distinguish one context from another. Is that
right?

Bill

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Maarten - I truly do not think anyone is in opposition to the concern you
express. There is just too much contrary evidence. People have said again
and again on the list, me too, that avoidance is not inherently bad, that
people ought to pick their own pace, that movement is always relative to the
client's values and pace.

IMO ACT in Practice is just talking about openness to experience. In my
view, openness does not involve complete and inflexible absorption - I have
seen clients who indulge in that and plenty of "feel your feelings"
therapists ready to help them do it. I have been guilty of it
myself--intoxicated by the potency of emotion. ACT is not a feel your
feelings for it's own sake therapy though. I think, and individual authors
can correct me if I am wrong, that it is probably just a matter of economy
of words.

Here is an example from behavior analysis. I train people to always always
always think of reinforcers as transit ions in context. The food pellet is
not the reinforcer for the rat's lever press. The reinforcer is the
transition in context from one in which eating is not possible to one in
which eating is possible. This conception of reinforcement is much more
flexible than an object oriented understanding of reinforcement. It allows
us to talk sensibly about both the rat lever pressing for food and the rat
lever pressing to transition from higher density of shocks to a lower
density of shocks even when any particular press might be followed by an
immediate shock. It allows for a scaling up or down or our understanding of
relevant context (molar vs molecular) without changing the analytic
sensibilities.

That said, you can find me talking about reinforcers as if they are objects
or discreet events sometimes because the transition in context language is
cumbersome. I wonder if what you are seeing is like that. I just cannot
think of any major ACT treatment develope r who would say "resisting
feelings is always pathogenic" - I can easily imagine them saying, about
avoidance, about fusion, about turning away from values, that there is a
risk involved, but not a blanket always pathogenic claim.

perhaps the discussion can serve to remind us to come back frequently to the
always contextualized, functional understanding of what is and is not
pathogenic.

anyhow, my two cents,

kelly




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Oh dear.

With a little trepidation I come back to this diffciult discussion on
"without needless defense".

It's because in looking up something completely different, I stumbled on
this, in ACT in Practice, P; 128:

"(...) rather the aim is to embrace what is currently being felt without
resistance".

I don't think I'm playing wordgames when I say that this implies that
resistance is pathogenic.

This I can't agree with, for both theoretical and clinical reasons.

A little detail to add to the above, resistance in psychoanalysis refers to
resisting the therapist's interventions....

So where "without defense" is problematic for me, "without resistance" is
IMO even more off track.

As a little aside: "without" is dead-man's territory for me.

Best to all (really!)

Maarten


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#17731 From: Benjamin Schoendorff <benjamin.schoendorff@...>
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Anyone wanting a pdf of that piece, drop me a word backchannem.

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Le 09/11/09 20:35, «Chad Drake» <chad.e.drake@...> a écrit:


 
 
   

I don't have access to the article and so have not read it. That being said, I agree that #2 (awareness of awareness) sounds more like self-as-context and less like defusion. And also puzzling that they don't acknowledge ACT's emphasis on building both skills.

Could you perhaps post the article?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM, amielanger <amie-langer@...> wrote:

 
 
   

A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:

1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself

The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.

So my question is…even though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context (and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on the latter.

Thank you,
Amie

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I don't have access to the article and so have not read it. That being said, I agree that #2 (awareness of awareness) sounds more like self-as-context and less like defusion. And also puzzling that they don't acknowledge ACT's emphasis on building both skills.

Could you perhaps post the article?

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:54 PM, amielanger <amie-langer@...> wrote:

A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:

1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself

The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.

So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context (and psychological flexibility more generally)? My mind is puzzled that the authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on the latter.

Thank you,
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#17729 From: "amielanger" <amie-langer@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 6:54 pm
Subject: Question about mindfulness and self-as-context
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A recent article in Clinical Psychology Review titled "Mindful emotion
regulation: An integrative review" (Chambers, Gullone, & Allen, 2009) includes a
review of the different conceptualizations of mindfulness and emotion
regulation, and then focuses on two aspects of mindfulness:

1. nonjudgmental and nonelaborative awareness
2. awareness of, or perception of, awareness itself

The article delineates how mainstream psychology has thus far tended to focus
more on the first process (i.e., developing nonjudgmental nonelaborative
awareness) and has not engaged to any significant degree with the notion of the
second (i.e., direct perception of awareness). The authors note the second
process has been variously referred to as "choiceless awareness," "mental
freedom," and even "cognitive defusion." Throughout the article, the authors
assert that this second process has not been incorporated into mainstream
mindfulness-based interventions, with the exception of MBSR. The article
concludes that future research should focus more on this aspect of mindfulness
because, among other things, it fosters recognition that sensory phenomena occur
within awareness yet do not alter or harm that awareness, and as such, it
reduces the tendency to respond to stimuli either appetitively or avoidantly.

So my question iseven though ACT as a technology does not explicitly focus on
this second process, is it not embedded within the notion of self-as-context
(and psychological flexibility more generally)?  My mind is puzzled that the
authors claim this process has been referred to as "cognitive defusion" yet do
not note its inclusion in ACT, particularly given they reference ACT in other
portions of the article. I am wondering if the authors do not agree that ACT
incorporates this process, or if I have misunderstood the function of developing
self-as-context within an ACT framework. I realize that the authors can only
speak to the former, so I am hoping to get feedback from the ACT community on
the latter.

Thank you,
Amie


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May have something to do with the mindfulness measure you selected. The MAAS is a unidimensional measure and purely measures attending to the present moment (for example "I find it difficult to stay focused on the present"). Perhaps one of the mindfulness measures which also measures acceptance, such as the KIMS, would be more likely to highlight the relationship (if one exists) between mindfulness and openness.

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Marco,

I did a study (see attached) a few years ago using Goldberg's version of the NEO-PI and didn't find a significant correlation between the MAAS and Openness, either. As this was contrary to Brown and Ryan (2003), I had chalked it up to using a different version of the NEO-PI. As you used the NEO-FFI, though, your results are more suprising. I don't have the Brown and Ryan article in front of me, but if memory serves, they drew from samples of college students and Buddhist meditators. Perhaps it reflects differences in the samples, but I agree that it seems like there should be more overlap between the two constructs.

I guess I don't really have any ideas and can only second your puzzlement.

Best,
Brian

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Hi all,

In a small correlational study I've performed (with some others on this list) we found a zero-correlation between mindfulness (Mindful Attention Awareness Scale; MAAS)and the Openness subscale of the NEO-FFI. I found this quite supprising, given the fact that openness is defined as a compound of the following:

Fantasy - the tendency toward a vivid imagination and fantasy life.
Aesthetics - the tendency to appreciate art, music, and poetry.
Feelings - being receptive to inner emotional states and valuing emotional experience.
Actions - the inclination to try new activities, visit new places, and try new foods.
Ideas - the tendency to be intellectually curious and open to new ideas.
Values - the readiness to re-examine traditional social, religious, and political values.

OK, it's not completely psychological flexibility described, but being open in the way described above seems quite ACT consistent...:-) And given the fact that mindfulness is a compound of being present, defusing, accepting and being aware of one's observer self, I'd expect at least some positive correlation....

Any ideas on this finding?

Best,
Marco



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Marco,

I did a study (see attached) a few years ago using Goldberg's version of the NEO-PI and didn't find a significant correlation between the MAAS and Openness, either. As this was contrary to Brown and Ryan (2003), I had chalked it up to using a different version of the NEO-PI. As you used the NEO-FFI, though, your results are more suprising. I don't have the Brown and Ryan article in front of me, but if memory serves, they drew from samples of college students and Buddhist meditators. Perhaps it reflects differences in the samples, but I agree that it seems like there should be more overlap between the two constructs.

I guess I don't really have any ideas and can only second your puzzlement.

Best,
Brian

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Marco <marcokleen@...> wrote:
Hi all,

In a small correlational study I've performed (with some others on this list) we found a zero-correlation between mindfulness (Mindful Attention Awareness Scale; MAAS)and the Openness subscale of the NEO-FFI. I found this quite supprising, given the fact that openness is defined as a compound of the following:

Fantasy - the tendency toward a vivid imagination and fantasy life.
Aesthetics - the tendency to appreciate art, music, and poetry.
Feelings - being receptive to inner emotional states and valuing emotional experience.
Actions - the inclination to try new activities, visit new places, and try new foods.
Ideas - the tendency to be intellectually curious and open to new ideas.
Values - the readiness to re-examine traditional social, religious, and political values.

OK, it's not completely psychological flexibility described, but being open in the way described above seems quite ACT consistent...:-) And given the fact that mindfulness is a compound of being present, defusing, accepting and being aware of one's observer self, I'd expect at least some positive correlation....

Any ideas on this finding?

Best,
Marco



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> Hi all,
>
> In a small correlational study I've performed (with some others on this list)
we found a zero-correlation between mindfulness (Mindful Attention Awareness
Scale; MAAS)and the Openness subscale of the NEO-FFI. I found this quite
supprising, given the fact that openness is defined as a compound of the
following:
>
> Fantasy - the tendency toward a vivid imagination and fantasy life.
> Aesthetics - the tendency to appreciate art, music, and poetry.
> Feelings - being receptive to inner emotional states and valuing emotional
experience.
> Actions - the inclination to try new activities, visit new places, and try new
foods.
> Ideas - the tendency to be intellectually curious and open to new ideas.
> Values - the readiness to re-examine traditional social, religious, and
political values.
>
> OK, it's not completely psychological flexibility described, but being open in
the way described above seems quite ACT consistent...:-) And given the fact that
mindfulness is a compound of being present, defusing, accepting and being aware
of one's observer self, I'd expect at least some positive correlation....
>
> Any ideas on this finding?
>
> Best,
> Marco
>

#17725 From: "Marco" <marcokleen@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 1:38 pm
Subject: Mindfulness and openness
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Hi all,

In a small correlational study I've performed (with some others on this list) we
found a zero-correlation between mindfulness (Mindful Attention Awareness Scale;
MAAS)and the Openness subscale of the NEO-FFI. I found this quite supprising,
given the fact that openness is defined as a compound of the following:

Fantasy - the tendency toward a vivid imagination and fantasy life.
Aesthetics - the tendency to appreciate art, music, and poetry.
Feelings - being receptive to inner emotional states and valuing emotional
experience.
Actions - the inclination to try new activities, visit new places, and try new
foods.
Ideas - the tendency to be intellectually curious and open to new ideas.
Values - the readiness to re-examine traditional social, religious, and
political values.

OK, it's not completely psychological flexibility described, but being open in
the way described above seems quite ACT consistent...:-) And given the fact that
mindfulness is a compound of being present, defusing, accepting and being aware
of one's observer self, I'd expect at least some positive correlation....

Any ideas on this finding?

Best,
Marco

#17724 From: Bendelin Nina <nina.bendelin@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 8:40 am
Subject: SV: Occupational therapy and ACT
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Hi list

 

I’d like to get in contact with people who’re interested in ACT and occupational therapy, especially COPM or other measures of activity.

 

Regards, Nina Bendelin

Nina.bendelin@...

 

 


#17723 From: "Robb, Harold B." <robbhb@...>
Date: Sun Nov 8, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: Re: "Without resistance"
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Jacqueline,

"Means-ends" analysis is a relational frame. It can be arbitrarily applied to
anything. "Means" ar not somehow "inately means" and "ends" are not somehow
"inately ends;" at least not from a functionalist perspective.. The usual BIG
main feature is that "means" temporally preceed "ends." This is why the concept
of "reinforcement" is often so hard to get one's head around. The
"reinforcement" comes after, not before, the behavior and by that "placement"
tends to make the probability of the behavior more likely in a similar context;
and if it doesn't, it wasn't a "reinforcer."

When you note, "and they respond to me in an open friendly manner" might be a
"result," yes it could. And you don't have to stop the analysis there. You can
look at a "bigger" picture. "An operant" can be a big or as small as one cares
to make it. It is a "way of looking," not "the thing looked at." Operants can
have ANY size. So, you COULD stop with the "friendly manner," and you could look
"bigger." "Be the most likable person I can be" might be the self-chosen Leading
Principle I am following, and there might be some other Leading Principle such
as "Be as conected with the folks you are with as you can." Likely, the way,
"and they respond to me in an open friendly manner," fits with the first is
likely not the way it fits with the second. With regard to the first, the
response is likely to be the whole point. With the second, it is a "signal of
connection" which links to something bigger than the immediate response itself
which is why it is a "signal" - both an R+ and an SD+ for "more of that"  where
"that" is "connecting" "stuff."

If you look at Kelly's definition, he is talking about "BIG" operants from the
point of view of "time and size." So, you will have to look at something "long
enough and wide enough" to see if what he is describing is what's going on. The
thing is, there are also short cuts because we claim that "valued action" is
vitalizing and you can contact "vitalizing" rather quickly, either with yourself
or with others. The "just going through the motions" experience vs. the "WAY
COOL" experience sort of hits you in the face when you have enough
discrimination history. You can even notice, "Well this isn't much for me, but
s/he sure seems to be getting off on it," or vice versa.

The main point I would make is that if you make an operant analysis "big enough"
you will be able to ANALYTICALLY "break it into smaller pieces." The   "smaller
pieces" aren't "real pieces," that's just how you broke it up. So you go back
to, "What was the point of breaking up that way?" If you answer, " to find the
REAL reinforcers," the heart of Functional Contnextualism has slipped away - and
it is easy to do in a system that has taught us about "reality and how sciece
cuts realty at its joints." "THERE ARE NO JOINTS!," he said with perhaps too
much enthusiasm. :)

So, according to Kelly (and his definition seems fine enough to me), "In ACT,
values are freely chosen, verbally constructed consequences of ongoing, dynamic,
evolving patterns of activity, which establish predominant reinforcers for that
activity that are intrinsic in engagement in the valued behavioral pattern
itself." OK, if you want to see if what you are looking at is about "values," as
defined, then look "big enough" so that the definition can apply. If you look
"smaller," it can't. If you look "big" and then "break big into smaller," don't
get trapped in the "reality of the pieces." Go back and ask what the point of
making the pieces was in the first place. If the answer is, "to find the
REAL/TRUE analysis," smile, sigh and notice, "Yea, metaphysical realism suckered
me again!"

Hope this helps.

H
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Hi all,

I am very grateful for this discussion about reinforcement. I am confused and
hope to de-confuse.

I learned from Kelly this about values: In ACT, values are freely chosen,
verbally constructed consequences of ongoing, dynamic, evolving patterns of
activity, which establish predominant reinforcers for that activity that are
intrinsic in engagement in the valued behavioral pattern itself.

Intrinsic is explained as: Independent of results or outcome.

Here is where I get lost.

Hank wrote: If I am trying to have a conversation with someone and they respond
to me in an open friendly manner, that ought to be reinforcing to me. How people
respond is an intrinsic part of the action of conversing and not something
extrinsic to it.
But that could be considered a result, right? So what confuses me is: what do we
consider a result or outcome and what not? What is a natural part of a response
pattern and what is not?

HELP!

Best,
Jacqueline


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One thing at a time please BIll. Hmmmm. Widely accepted. Dunno. Theoretically
coherent. I would argue it with anyone anytime. Try the alternative - discrete
objects or events are the reinforcers. I can readily find examples where that
just doesn't work, but that are clearly examples of reinforcement. Here is a
pretty simple explication from Mindfulness for Two - pages 31-33 with examples
of why responses as movements and stimuli as objects are insufficiently flexible
ways of speaking.

Two Common Errors in Understanding Responses and Stimuli
Two common misconceptions about responses and stimuli are that responses are
movements and stimuli are discrete objects. From a contex- tual behavioral
perspective, these are both incorrect in the most techni-

p. 31
A Clinicians Guide to Stimulus ControlMindfulness for Two
cal sense. On the response side, standing still is defined as a response if I
can demonstrate that standing still, as the response of interest, is capable of
being organized by context, which is to say, capable of being provoked by some
kind of stimulus. For example, if I give you a five-dollar bill when you stand
still and take five dollars when you move and thereby alter the probability that
youll stand still, then standing still meets our defini- tion of behavior:
its something the organism can do. Also, standing still can be brought under
contextual controlthat is, its in dynamic inter- action with a stimulating
environment.
On the stimulus side, the most common error is to think of a stimu- lus as an
object. We might, for example, see the five-dollar bill as the stimulus that
organizes behavior. In a limited sense, this is true, but a more sophisticated
way to think of this is that standing still changes the world from one where you
cant buy things to one in which, with your crisp, new fiver, you can. It is
that transition from not having the power to buy things to having that power
that organizes behavior, not the bill per se. For example, if I gave you a
billion dollars, the promise of an extra five bucks would likely no longer
organize your behavior, and you would stand still or move as it pleased you. Or
if I locked you in a cell where money couldnt be spent or given away, five
dollars (or even a billion) wouldnt do much to organize your behavior. Why not?
Because receiv- ing the five-dollar bill in either of those two contexts
wouldnt change your world in any significant way.
In many applications, calling the five-dollar bill a reinforcer of behavior is
probably workable. (We should remember that, despite the leaps and bounds of
contemporary physics, Newtons classical mechanics work just fine in most
instances too.) However, we want a more sophis- ticated understanding of the
dynamic interaction of responding and stimulating.
Why does it matter? The distinction matters because sometimes theres no object
or immediate discrete event to which we can point. Richard Herrnstein and Philip
Hineline (1966) carried out a classic experimental example that illustrates this
point nicely. In their study, rats were placed in an experimental chamber, and
the floor of the chamber was briefly electrified at random intervals. If the
rats pressed a certain lever within the chamber, the shocks would come at a
slightly reduced, though still random, interval. What Herrnstein and Hineline
found in the experiment was that lever pressing was maintained in the rats. We
cannot understand the maintenance of the lever pressing by appealing to the
immediate effects of lever pressing. The most common immediate effect of a lever
press was that nothing would happen. In fact, as result
P. 32

of the shocks coming at random intervals, the lever press was sometimes followed
immediately by a shock. Why did the rats press the lever? In simple terms, the
rat pressed the lever because doing so precipitated a transition in context from
one in which shocks are more frequent to one in which they are less frequent.


best,
kelly


On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:02 PM, William Kordonski wrote:


Transition from one context to another is the rein forcer? Is this a generally
accepted view in BA?

And so, if I may look at intrinsic vs. extrinsic reinforcement: There is really
no difference.

Ex: playing a guitar for an audience vs for oneself is just a change in context
from non-playing to playing. Extrinsic then is something you can identify in the
environment to distinguish one context from another. Is that right?

Bill

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Maarten - I truly do not think anyone is in opposition to the concern you
express. There is just too much contrary evidence. People have said again and
again on the list, me too, that avoidance is not inherently bad, that people
ought to pick their own pace, that movement is always relative to the client's
values and pace.

IMO ACT in Practice is just talking about openness to experience. In my view,
openness does not involve complete and inflexible absorption - I have seen
clients who indulge in that and plenty of "feel your feelings" therapists ready
to help them do it. I have been guilty of it myself--intoxicated by the potency
of emotion. ACT is not a feel your feelings for it's own sake therapy though. I
think, and individual authors can correct me if I am wrong, that it is probably
just a matter of economy of words.

Here is an example from behavior analysis. I train people to always always
always think of reinforcers as transit ions in context. The food pellet is not
the reinforcer for the rat's lever press. The reinforcer is the transition in
context from one in which eating is not possible to one in which eating is
possible. This conception of reinforcement is much more flexible than an object
oriented understanding of reinforcement. It allows us to talk sensibly about
both the rat lever pressing for food and the rat lever pressing to transition
from higher density of shocks to a lower density of shocks even when any
particular press might be followed by an immediate shock. It allows for a
scaling up or down or our understanding of relevant context (molar vs molecular)
without changing the analytic sensibilities.

That said, you can find me talking about reinforcers as if they are objects or
discreet events sometimes because the transition in context language is
cumbersome. I wonder if what you are seeing is like that. I just cannot think of
any major ACT treatment develope r who would say "resisting feelings is always
pathogenic" - I can easily imagine them saying, about avoidance, about fusion,
about turning away from values, that there is a risk involved, but not a blanket
always pathogenic claim.

perhaps the discussion can serve to remind us to come back frequently to the
always contextualized, functional understanding of what is and is not
pathogenic.

anyhow, my two cents,

kelly




On Nov 6, 2009, at 2:41 AM, Maarten Aalberse wrote:







Oh dear.

With a little trepidation I come back to this diffciult discussion on "without
needless defense".

It's because in looking up something completely different, I stumbled on this,
in ACT in Practice, P; 128:

"(...) rather the aim is to embrace what is currently being felt without
resistance".

I don't think I'm playing wordgames when I say that this implies that resistance
is pathogenic.

This I can't agree with, for both theoretical and clinical reasons.

A little detail to add to the above, resistance in psychoanalysis refers to
resisting the therapist's interventions....

So where "without defense" is problematic for me, "without resistance" is IMO
even more off track.

As a little aside: "without" is dead-man's territory for me.

Best to all (really!)

Maarten


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