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Re: [actor-network-theory] Does ANT has Ethics?

Yup, I also wonder on some more equal than others... Do you 'assess'
this using concept of center of calculation? For instance, by
comparing citation index of one paper to another or by seeing the
discourse(s) used to strengthen some rhetoric?

How can we assess some actor-network is more equal than another? Does
it mean that one actor-network is better than another?

In my experience of trying to make some understanding of the actors I
followed, I use a socio-technogram (graph). I represent the actor
using node and edge in visual and completed it with an narration. By
adopting concept from math and perhaps chemical structure, a good
actor-network/graph is a graph that is compact, and has a little
bridge (since bridge can make actors disconnected from its network). I
try to use this approach to explain about marginality and lack of
access of several actor. Can we say this as some actors are more equal
than others?

Thanks

yuti

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Patricia Fronek
<patricia.fronek@...> wrote:
> 
>
> Andrew
>
> would you say they tend to be the 'spokespersons'? I am interested in your
> thoughts on some more equal than others
>
> tricia
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Bolger
> To: actor-network-theory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [actor-network-theory] Does ANT has Ethics?
>
> Well Bruno Latour might say that the ethics of ANT lies in giving all actors
> a voice, a democracy as Patricia puts it. But my expereince of trying to
> trace and record actor networks suggests that 'all actors are equal but some
> actors are more equal than others'.
> Andrew Bolger
> --- On Sun, 16/11/08, Patricia Fronek <patricia.fronek@...> wrote:
>
> From: Patricia Fronek <patricia.fronek@...>
> Subject: Re: [actor-network-theory] Does ANT has Ethics?
> To: actor-network-theory@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 16 November, 2008, 7:44 PM
>
> hi yuti
>
> I m far from being an expert so please take my comments with a grain a salt
> - perhaps someone else will have more informed comments - one of the
> criticisms is that ANT does not make judgments - but then the strength is
> that it does not - in this way the action of the actors can be followed
>
> I can see how you are struggling with democracy and ANT because ANT is about
> power struggles but then again so is democracy - because a dominant ideas
> still becomes a constructed fact - is it a democractic process or is really
> about new actors being convinced of the idea and how this is done - how are
> they being convinced to adopt the idea? how are people convinced about
> democracy? maybe you need to unpack democracy a bit and understand it in
> terms of power to be able to apply it? I would imagine a key difference is
> that democracy relies on traditional stuctures of power whereas ANT does not
> - maybe your argument is how it is very different to democracy or is it?
> politics of any flavour is all about power - perhaps the ideology of
> democaracy has been 'blackboxed' and accepted as it is presented when what
> is really happening is the same power struggles to convince others to
> believe in the same ideas?
>
> just some thoiughts - good luck
>
> tricia
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: yuti ariani
> To: actor-network-theory@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:36 AM
> Subject: [actor-network-theory] Does ANT has Ethics?
>
> Dear all,
> When using ANT, I always wonder whether ANT has ethics or not? Can ANT
> make an assessment whether something is good or bad? Or in ANT, it is
> not important to assess good or bad of several actions/phenomena, its
> roles are to explain actor constellation?
>
> For instance, when I try to examine national innovation system. I
> follow several actors simultaneously, then I try to make the
> actor-network constellation. But when I try to explain the
> constellation with sustainability and democracy issues, I became
> confused. As a way out, I use the concept qualculation by Law and
> Callon to assess the phenomena, but I am still curious how to relate
> ANT with democracy.
>
> Do you have any suggestion?
>
> warm regards,
> yuti
>
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Dear all, When using ANT, I always wonder whether ANT has ethics or not? Can ANT make an assessment whether something is good or bad? Or in ANT, it is not...
yuti ariani
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hi yuti I m far from being an expert so please take my comments with a grain a salt - perhaps someone else will have more informed comments - one of the...
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Well Bruno Latour might say that the ethics of ANT lies in giving all actors a voice, a democracy as Patricia puts it. But my expereince of trying to trace and...
Andrew Bolger
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Hi Yuti, I think these are really the difficult questions to pose when using an ANT approach. I don't know if it will be of much help, but perhaps Latour's ...
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Hi Bas, Thanks for the link. Another reference I use to seek relation between ANT and democracy is through Latour's book: Politics of Nature (2004). I think...
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Andrew would you say they tend to be the 'spokespersons'? I am interested in your thoughts on some more equal than others tricia ... From: Andrew Bolger To:...
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Yup, I also wonder on some more equal than others... Do you 'assess' this using concept of center of calculation? For instance, by comparing citation index of...
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Sorry for the delay in replying, what did I mean by 'some actors are more equal than others'? Basically, if you try to draw a network of actors in the way Yuti...
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thanks andrew and yuti appreciate your comments tricia...
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