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Re: standards vs usability

I've been sitting back and consuming all the information I can and
thinking about this whole thing.

I think it's all a bunch of crap.

However, I think it's a good idea to have liberal parsers.

Sound like I'm confused? Not really. I'm leaning towards what Joe
has discussed before, about allowing the data to be parsed, but alert
the user. I have an idea.

The real debate is that if we allow bad feeds through, why would
anyone take the time to fix them... but if we don't let them through
then the user can't read them at all, even if there is useful data.

So I propose a compromise. We let the data through if it's not well
formed. But we alert the user, and send email notifications to the
webmaster/editor fields in the RDF file. That's what they're there
for right? I can pretty much guarantee that if a website has 500
readers, and the feed is broken, and they get 500 emails saying that
there's a problem... they'll fix it.

It seems like a very obvious solution, and maybe I'm missing
something.

I'm sure someone is going to complain that it seems like a mean thing
to do, but I think that it seems like the very obvious choice.

So that's my opinion.

--
Eric Vitiello [Perceive Designs]
<http://www.perceive.net>
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Tue Aug 20, 2002 7:02 pm

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I've been reading through a bit of the debate between using an ultra-liberal parser vs strict XML only, and thought I might as well throw my two cents in. Some...
justin klubnik
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Aug 20, 2002
4:05 pm

I also meant to say that taking a stand is somewhat difficult currently because (as Bill points out) the specs are ambiguous about a couple of things. - is...
justin klubnik
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Aug 20, 2002
4:46 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... <snip/> See my mod_link module as this should help resolve this issue: http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/link/ Kevin - -- Kevin A....
burton@...
KevinAllenBu... Offline Send Email
Aug 20, 2002
11:31 pm

... I ran through this same sort of discussion a few years back when AmphetaDesk was first started. Up until the last release, AmphetaDesk did the following to...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 20, 2002
5:46 pm

... Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm no extreme stickler for standards compliance because of some sort of "righteousness". My perspective is that consistency ...
Bill Kearney
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Aug 20, 2002
5:57 pm

I have been back and forth with this issue several times in the last two days (and reserve the right to change my mind in the future :)). At this point in the...
Joe Gregorio
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Aug 20, 2002
6:51 pm

I've been sitting back and consuming all the information I can and thinking about this whole thing. I think it's all a bunch of crap. However, I think it's a...
e_vitiello_jr Offline Send Email Aug 20, 2002
7:02 pm

... I'd be worried about doing this - if I load a feed twenty times a day and so do the other 499, then that's more emails than normal, much less if the admin...
Morbus Iff
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Aug 20, 2002
7:08 pm

... I'd see ... I made ... the feed ... but ... someone ... Point well taken. I think that's deinfitely a good option. maybe have an option for both - a...
e_vitiello_jr Offline Send Email Aug 20, 2002
7:14 pm

... Hmmm, maybe I can have my cake and eat it too. I have noticed that feeds are not perpetually bad, they drift into and out of well-formedness. Maybe have...
Joe Gregorio
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Aug 20, 2002
7:24 pm

Here's my take on it, having personally helped well over a hundred feeds fix themselves. The content producers have ALL fixed feeds that were still in...
Bill Kearney
wkearney99 Offline Send Email
Aug 20, 2002
9:01 pm

... How about making a web services call to Syndic8 and pulling down the feed info? Contact info, when known, is stored there. I'm going to strongly caution...
Bill Kearney
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Aug 20, 2002
9:05 pm

... trouble for the ... it's form. ... going to engender ... overflow and I'm going that have to agree that my original idea doesn't scale well... so why not...
e_vitiello_jr Offline Send Email Aug 21, 2002
12:38 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... <snip/> See my mod_link module as this should help resolve this issue: http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/link/ Kevin - -- Kevin A....
burton@...
KevinAllenBu... Offline Send Email
Aug 21, 2002
2:01 am

This sounds like a pretty useful service and I will give it a lot of thought. Right now we could take an enourmous step towards making this possible by...
Jeff Barr
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Aug 21, 2002
2:16 pm
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