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From: "estherschindler" <esther@...>
Subject: OT somewhat: What do you wish clients understood about contracting/consulting?
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Sorry for the OT post but I'm positive that several people here are consult=
ants... or work=20
with them.

I'm writing another article in my "5 Things the CIO should know..." series,=
which includes=20
"7 things the CIO should know about telecommuting" (http://www.cio.com/arti=
cle/
108501), "5 things the CIO should know about software requirements" (http:/=
/
www.cio.com/article/29903), and "...about fighting spam" (http://www.cio.co=
m/article/
28830).

This time, I'm asking contractors and consultants about their experiences w=
ith clients --=20
in particular, with the upper management at the client company. I'd love to=
include your=20
input.

There's just one question to answer: If you could get the (client) boss(es)=
to understand=20
JUST ONE THING about computer consulting and contracting, what would it be?

Or, to put the same question another way: If you were given a single wish o=
f something to=20
change (about a current or past client) what would it be?

If you're an active consultant or IT contractor, I'm sure you have more tha=
n one response.=20
But by asking you to give me only ONE answer, I can prioritize the issues t=
hat matter most=20
to consultants and contractors. (I spent several years in that role myself,=
so believe me... I=20
have my own list!) I'll turn the responses into a list of the top items, an=
d -- since this is for=20
CIO.com -- in this case the upper management at your client might actually =
read it. If I do=20
my job well, he or she might actually learn from it.

If you aren't a consultant, that's okay -- I'll still be happy for your inp=
ut. Because there are=20
plenty of problems that consulting and contracting causes for IT staff. (I'=
d give a few=20
examples here but I don't want to make suggestions that cause you to say, "=
Yeah, just like=20
that!")

In either case, your "just ONE thing" can be something tiny and annoying, o=
r a wide=20
generality. This is about what gets *your* shorts twisted in a knot; you do=
n't have to worry=20
about whether it bugs other people too.

Anecdotes are wonderful. Please, share horror stories.

Two important requests:

* PLEASE do not make your single answer a rant about outsourcing overseas. =
We have=20
plenty of material on that subject already and it's entirely predictable. I=
'm much more=20
interested in writing this article with specific advice that's more, well, =
close to home.

* Remember that I'm writing an article and I need to quote my sources. I ge=
nerally can't get=20
away with anonymous quotes. So please *please* give me your name, company n=
ame ("self=20
employed consultant" is fine though your company name is better), some idea=
of your=20
company size (that is, a solo developer may have different perspective from=
a larger=20
consulting firm), your personal role (i.e. "a consultant who specializes in=
web=20
development" or "a Java programmer on staff"), number of years consulting, =
and location.=20
If you refer to a client, supply some kind of description for credibility (=
i.e. "a large=20
insurance company in the midwest" if you don't feel comfortable saying, "Wh=
en I was a=20
consultant at State Farm..."). At a minimum, send me a private e-mail messa=
ge at esther at=20
bitranch dot com. The point is that I need to provide references, or the ar=
ticle lacks=20
credibility.

I'll check back here -- because I'm sure this will be a fun topic for the c=
ommunity to=20
discuss -- but I'd also be happy to hear from you privately.

I'll collect input until, oh, sometime next week. Say, the end of July. The=
n I'll collate the=20
responses and turn them into something (arguably) brilliant to which you ca=
n point=20
prospective clients.


Esther Schindler
Senior Online Editor, CIO.com
http://advice.cio.com/blogs/youre_the_boss=20



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Sorry for the OT post but I'm positive that several people here are consultants... or work with them. I'm writing another article in my "5 Things the CIO...
estherschindler
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Jul 27, 2007
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I would wish that upper management would be more open to the possiblity that sometimes they are part of the problem. In other words, when upper management sees...
Steven Gordon
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Jul 27, 2007
9:18 pm

Hey, why be tactful? It's often most useful to whack an exec on the side of the head. And it's one reason that this sort of article can be useful... it isn't...
estherschindler
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Jul 27, 2007
11:35 pm

E, Anonymous Scrum/XP Coach, unless you have a better suggestion. S...
Steven Gordon
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Jul 29, 2007
4:33 pm

Well I *do* have a better suggestion -- or at least a strong need for one. If I'm writing for CIOs and top managers, I need them to know that this article has ...
estherschindler
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Jul 31, 2007
6:19 pm

... That short-term incremental time estimates are priceless and long-term "big requirements up front" time estimates are worse than useless. -- Phlip ...
Phlip
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Jul 27, 2007
9:22 pm

Michael Bolton wrote a dynamite article that begins: "AS A CONSULTANT, I’M OFTEN BROUGHT INTO NEW SITUATIONS—COMPANIES OR departments that are unfamiliar...
Brian Marick
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Jul 27, 2007
11:06 pm

Hi Esther, I think the best thing to say about contracts is that it would be better if they never left the drawers. Contracts are just a formalization about...
Samuel Crescêncio
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Jul 28, 2007
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... Just checking, did you get the reply I sent off-list? - George -- ... * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Software...
George Dinwiddie
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Aug 1, 2007
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Thanks for your help with my article! I'm happy to report that it's live. Getting Clueful: Nine Things CIOs Should Know About Computer Consulting and...
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