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Re: [agile-testing] Tester as "stepping stone" to becoming a programmer

Thanks for the input John.  In my case, I have been teaching the testers C# myself.  I am fortunate to have a dev back ground plus I enjoy teaching.  We
bought each tester a C# book.  I take an hour once a week and we go though the chapters together.  Lately, I've been taking a half hour for lecture
and half hour doing the assignments as a group.  A couple of the testers are responding really well.  Those testers are learning quickly and are
starting to write automated tests in C# or Ruby.  One even has a good entry level grasp of OOP.  I would say that she is the most "well integrated" tester.
 
On the other hand, some of them are challenged with programming.  I got up to functions, saw that half the class was still stuggling, so I split the class
into two classes.  I took one class went on ahead to OOP.  I took the other class went back to the beginning of the book and started over.  Now a few in
that group are starting to write some simple scripts.  We'll get there.
 
Concerning testing as a profession, I've been a developer, tester, project manager and resource manager (both of testers and devs).  I have greatly enjoyed
each of them because I am passionate about the creation of software.  None of them is really greater then the other.  They all are facinating in their own way
and they all are required to create great software.
 
Thanks,
Scott

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Smith, John H <John.Smith2@...> wrote:
  Scot,

 I fully agree with you - I am now struggling to get my testers well enough trained to be a full part of the team.

Are there any specific basic training courses you (or anyone on the forum) would propose for these types of basic foundation.

 It does tend to cause an “Over the wall” scenario as developers want to move on and one cannot blame them.

 John



Thu Nov 5, 2009 3:24 pm

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