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Re: [agile-testing] Re: Release testing after 6 successful sprints

Good luck, Avanthi, it won't get better very fast, but you can use your influence. You might also check out _Fearless Change_ by Linda Rising and Mary Lou Manns, to help you be a change agent. Please keep us posted as your journey proceeds!
-- Lisa

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:19 AM, avanthi Polavarapu <avanthi_48307@...> wrote:
 

I really appreciate your input Lisa.
Thanks
Avanthi polavarapu


On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Lisa Crispin <lisa.crispin@...> wrote:

 

+1 on Andrew's response.

When my current team first implemented agile, we also didn't have any automated regression tests. We released every two weeks. We spent the last two days of each release having everyone on the team divide up and execute the scripted manual regression tests. This was great motivation for every developer to think about good ways to solve test automation problems.

Test automation is simply a part of software development. It isn't a separate activity. The same people who write production code also must write test code. The testers specify what test cases to automate, the inputs and expected results. There are many ways to accomplish this.

I highly recommend Gojko Adzic's book Specification by Example, http://specificationbyexample.com, as a starting place for your entire development team (or all your teams if you have more than one) to start learning how to achieve a sustainable pace along with high quality code by integrating testing into coding.

Of course, there are other testing activities where testers' specialized skills will contribute value, such as exploratory testing. But you won't have time for that if you force testers to try to solve regression testing problems by themselves.

You probably have lots of problems at this point. It takes a long time to find ways to improve your development. Get everyone on your team together for a retrospective, identify your biggest problem, think of some small experiment that will help make the problem less bad, and try it. Then see how that worked, and continue on.
-- Lisa

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Avanthi <avanthi_48307@...> wrote:
 

Hey Lisa,

Unfortunately we do not have any automation tests.I recorded/scripted selenium in the beginning but code changes were too frequent that kept breaking my scripts.The work was done in atleast 5 branches.
Also I am one person onsite and we have one person Offshore helping me. Crazy approach that they have followed in developing the code in various branches and then merging it .

Thanks
Avanthi



--- In agile-testing@yahoogroups.com, Lisa Crispin <lisa.crispin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Avanthi,
> Do you not have any automated regression tests that ensure that the code
> checked in each sprint continues to work properly?
>
> This is not a problem for two testers to solve. It's a problem for your
> whole development team to solve. And they should all be helping with the
> testing effort. Get them all together and think of some experiments to try.
> -- Lisa
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Avanthi <avanthi_48307@...> wrote:
>
> > **

> >
> >
> > Hi ,
> >
> > We are following Agile Methodology in our company .We atleast had 6
> > sprints (with atleast 20 stories per sprint) done by the time we are going
> > to launch the final release for product .
> >
> > Now the questions comes is that our leads are expecting me to do
> > regression testing for all the works done in various sprints on various
> > branches as all of them are getting merged to Master branch.
> >
> > I am given a month time to do all this and we are two people .Any thoughts
> > on how I should be planning my regression testing for this big launch .
> >
> > Appreciate any feedback .
> > Thanks
> > AP
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa Crispin
> Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers
> and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
> Contributor to _Beautiful Testing_ (O'Reilly 2009)
> http://lisacrispin.com
> @lisacrispin on Twitter
> http://entaggle.com/lisacrispin
>




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Lisa Crispin
Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
Contributor to _Beautiful Testing_ (O'Reilly 2009)
http://lisacrispin.com
@lisacrispin on Twitter
http://entaggle.com/lisacrispin

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--
Lisa Crispin
Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009)
Contributor to _Beautiful Testing_ (O'Reilly 2009)
http://lisacrispin.com
@lisacrispin on Twitter
http://entaggle.com/lisacrispin



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Hi , We are following Agile Methodology in our company .We atleast had 6 sprints (with atleast 20 stories per sprint) done by the time we are going to launch...
Avanthi
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Feb 13, 2012
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Hi Avanthi, Do you not have any automated regression tests that ensure that the code checked in each sprint continues to work properly? This is not a problem...
Lisa Crispin
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Feb 13, 2012
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Hey Lisa, Unfortunately we do not have any automation tests.I recorded/scripted selenium in the beginning but code changes were too frequent that kept...
Avanthi
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Feb 13, 2012
8:34 pm

Avanthi - the organization appears to be asking you solve the wrong problem. Things that stand out for me: - "The work was done in atleast 5 branches" - *Hmm...
Mark Levison
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Feb 13, 2012
9:13 pm

+1 on Andrew's response. When my current team first implemented agile, we also didn't have any automated regression tests. We released every two weeks. We...
Lisa Crispin
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Feb 13, 2012
10:22 pm

I really appreciate your input Lisa. Thanks Avanthi polavarapu...
avanthi Polavarapu
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Feb 14, 2012
1:19 pm

Good luck, Avanthi, it won't get better very fast, but you can use your influence. You might also check out _Fearless Change_ by Linda Rising and Mary Lou...
Lisa Crispin
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Feb 14, 2012
2:03 pm

Sadly, going from what you describe, your team aren't doing agile. I say sadly, because if you were, there would be no release testing. Agile projects use the...
Andrew McDonagh
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Feb 13, 2012
8:45 pm

... Yeah, you're screwed. Well, you might not be. If it all works, you're good. (Hint: It ain't gonna work.) My honest advice would be to wade in and find a...
Matthew
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Feb 14, 2012
12:35 pm

It looks like those URLS got chopped. Here they are in tinyurl format: Article: "Why is QA always the bottleneck?" URL: http://tinyurl.com/6lozupw Article2: 5...
Matthew
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Feb 14, 2012
12:38 pm

The 180 stories should have recommendation as to what needs to be regressed as they merge and as a product. This should not be a surprise to anyone and the...
Larry W. Shackelford
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Feb 15, 2012
12:20 am

Avanthi, i totally agree to the answers before (automation, whole team, continuous testing, ...). One additional tip from me will be, to come up with a simple...
Ulrich Freyer-Hirtz
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Feb 15, 2012
9:28 pm

Avanthi, It would be interesting to understand your merge and build strategy for each various sprint and branch. My hope is that your delivery team...
Larry W. Shackelford
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Feb 15, 2012
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