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18083	I have worked with teams where the testers were all 'non-technical' to start with. We did exactly what Scott suggested and created a framework that allowed...	Janet Gregory janetgregoryca	Nov 5, 2009 3:37 pm
18084	Interesting! Thanks for writing this up! -- Lisa ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile...	Lisa Crispin lisa_crispin...	Nov 5, 2009 3:38 pm
18085	I don't believe it! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ... From: "Janet Gregory" <janet_gregory@...> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:37:18 To:...	romevsf@... romevsf	Nov 5, 2009 3:57 pm
18086	It could be true that efforts have been made. The results of such efforts typically waste of time. When testers "write" there own "fixtures" no one hell knows...	romevsf@... romevsf	Nov 5, 2009 4:04 pm
18087	Again, I am sorry you've had such bad experiences, but I find it sad you don't think testers can learn new skills. I can vouch for the team I worked with, and...	Janet Gregory janetgregoryca	Nov 5, 2009 4:15 pm
18088	Our situation is very similar. The testers in the team do not have programming knowledge to develop the product, they do, however have a great deal of...	adam_peter.knight adam_peter.k...	Nov 5, 2009 4:19 pm
18089	Janet, Thanks that you value my opinion not calling it cynical like Lisa did. I respect testers and believe they should learn new skills. Unfortunately for...	romevsf@... romevsf	Nov 5, 2009 4:21 pm
18090	System engineering and software development are different. I strongly believe that modern qa or tester should have basic knowledge in networking and system...	romevsf@... romevsf	Nov 5, 2009 4:25 pm
18091	Thanks for the input John. It's not just the inability to write or help with automation test frameworks or unit tests, it's the general lack of development...	Scott Schimanski sschims	Nov 5, 2009 4:34 pm
18092	Thanks for the input John. In my case, I have been teaching the testers C# myself. I am fortunate to have a dev back ground plus I enjoy teaching. We bought...	Scott Schimanski sschims	Nov 5, 2009 4:35 pm
18093	Thanks for the response. Yes, I agree. Not all testers will take to development. One person on my team knows a little bit and that is enough for him. It's...	Scott Schimanski sschims	Nov 5, 2009 4:39 pm
18094	... OK, again you're sharing an experience that's specific to your particular environment, which doesn't apply to mine, or to Janet's. I'm stressing here that...	Mike Emeigh mwemeigh	Nov 5, 2009 4:54 pm
18095	Well said, Mike! ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, _Agile Testing: A Practical Guide for Testers and Agile Teams_ (Addison-Wesley 2009) ...	Lisa Crispin lisa_crispin...	Nov 5, 2009 5:02 pm
18096	Scott, I like your approach. I call that the "Power of Three". It's the need to have a customer, developer and tester all on the same page. On one team ...	Janet Gregory janetgregoryca	Nov 5, 2009 5:17 pm
18097	James Bach talked today at Oredev, i especially liked the part on differences between testing and checking. here's a short write-up: ...	Gojko Adzic gojko_lastname	Nov 6, 2009 11:22 am
18098	I find that first the first time in years, I am actually getting excited about the term "Agile Software Development" and "Agile Software Testing" - enough to...	Matthew heusserm	Nov 6, 2009 1:37 pm
18099	Thanks Janet. I have read about that in your materials. That is a great approach. Thank you. Scott...	Scott Schimanski sschims	Nov 6, 2009 5:39 pm
18100	It sounds like you have written on the subject for a while and that you have used (I assume successfully) the principles and techniques. How are your feelings...	Scott Schimanski sschims	Nov 6, 2009 7:07 pm
18101	Hello Guys, I have just been asked by my employer to look at the best open source tools out there for testing. The application is a New Peoplesoft HR Module...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 4:29 pm
18102	Hi Conrad: I'm hoping someone offers "PushToTest TestMaker" at http://www.pushtotest.com . That's my company. JMeter is great for test of Web and Web service...	Frank Cohen frankcohen2000	Nov 8, 2009 7:15 pm
18103	Hi Frank! The goal is primarily performance testing; stress and load particularly, but also ideally functional testing as well if the same tool can do both ...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 7:19 pm
18104	http://faban.sunsource.net/ http://tsung.erlang-projects.org/ http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/programs/ab.html ...	Patrick Debois patrick.debois	Nov 8, 2009 7:38 pm
18105	... How are their unit tests? Meaning tests written in the same language as the tested code?...	Phlip phlipcpp	Nov 8, 2009 7:42 pm
18106	Dear Philip, Their unit tests are done by the dev guys primarily and solely. It is not a strictly agile environment; that is a whole different discourse! ...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 8:06 pm
18107	... Because if the unit tests soak into enough layers, than "functional" tests are just what you do with the advanced unit tests. Also, "thru-the-view" tests...	Phlip phlipcpp	Nov 8, 2009 8:23 pm
18108	Thanks Philip. Very interresting indeed, and I shall be inverstigating the level and thoroughness of the Unit tests further, and will let you know same. Many...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 9:34 pm
18109	Hi Frank, I have had a cursory look at your Push-to-test Testmaker. It appears NOT to be freeware? Please advise. If it is indeed not free, can you give me a...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 9:38 pm
18110	Hi Conrad: Thanks. TestMaker comes in two forms: Community (entirely free and GPL open source project) and Enterprise (commercial product in the $18- $40K...	Frank Cohen frankcohen2000	Nov 8, 2009 10:52 pm
18111	Hi Frank, Thanks for your response once more! 1. Is it possible to get a FREE Trial? 2. And if I may be cheeky, can I ask at what point (number of users) it ...	conradononeme@...	Nov 8, 2009 11:22 pm
18112	Hi Conrad: 1. Is it possible to get a FREE Trial? Yes, download the Community or Enterprise free products at http://www.pushtotest.com/products/download . Both...	Frank Cohen frankcohen2000	1:19 am

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