Hello, James. On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 9:33:03 AM, you ... Show us some code with a bug in it, and I, or someone, will show you a test that will...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 27, 2007 1:57 pm
On 27 Mar 2007 06:16:33 -0700, Ron Jeffries ... But, how would we know if there are any bugs left in the code? The halting problem establishes that determining...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Mar 27, 2007 2:07 pm
Hello, Steven. On Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 9:57:38 AM, you ... If we don't know, there isn't. If we do, we can write a test for it. ... Decideability is,...
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Kilbride, James P.
kilbrj
Mar 27, 2007 2:30 pm
I hate the fact that Yahoo and Outlook make that text all one piece so I can't cut and paste pieces out of it. Anyway, you said " Show us some code with a bug...
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Michael Bolton
michael_a_bo...
Mar 27, 2007 3:09 pm
James Kilbride:> I hate the fact that Yahoo and Outlook make that text all one piece so I can't cut and paste pieces out of it. In my email client,...
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Jeff Langr
jlangr
Mar 27, 2007 9:55 pm
... Agreed. I don't know anyone who makes that claim, however. ... I read the postings a couple of times before I posted, just to make sure, since that's what...
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Bernie Berger
bernie_berge...
Mar 28, 2007 10:55 am
Call for Participation Software Testing in Financial Services (STiFS) #4 June 24-25, 2007, New York City Supported by the Association for Software Testing ...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 28, 2007 11:29 am
I think words "are" the meaning. Using the word "comprehensive" creates
a meaning. What we read is not always what the writer intended to
write.
This goes...
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Jeff L
jlangr
Mar 28, 2007 12:03 pm
... time ... need to work? Precisely, said with no smiley (and darn, I thought I had already responded to this... I think I'd said something like...)--it...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 28, 2007 4:46 pm
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 28, 2007 4:46 pm
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 28, 2007 9:11 pm
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 28, 2007 9:42 pm
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 29, 2007 12:26 am
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 29, 2007 6:54 am
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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Jeffrey Fredrick
frogstar
Mar 29, 2007 9:58 am
... That's interesting because I don't see the decision to not TDD as being a managment decision (though the decision to TDD can be). I was actually part of a...
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jdmcauliffe2002
Mar 29, 2007 5:50 pm
I'm starting to look at what some good agile quality metrics might be. I'm not sure that test metrics are what we need. I would like to know if our quality is...
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Kilbride, James P.
kilbrj
Mar 29, 2007 5:59 pm
Comments inline. ________________________________ From: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:agile-testing@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdmcauliffe2002 Sent:...
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Michael Bolton
michael_a_bo...
Mar 29, 2007 6:46 pm
... not sure that test metrics are what we need. In my opinion, that's a great premise to start from... ... ...and so is that. One huge problem with metrics in...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 29, 2007 7:07 pm
I totally agree with Michael. A fairly productive use of metrics is for the purpose of only the discover and resolution of the root cause of observed problems....
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Rob Park
rpark68
Mar 29, 2007 7:29 pm
I'll second that. The primary metrics we track are bugs/developerMonth, average velocity and coverage (coverage is for C# only, because we haven't found...
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Michael Bolton
michael_a_bo...
Mar 29, 2007 7:42 pm
... those metrics. They have served their purpose, and continuing to collect them will focus people on solving a solved problem instead of trying to observe...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 29, 2007 8:33 pm
... I am just talking about the percentage of the lines of code that are executed by one or more automated unit tests. My most recent teams used NCover. I...
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Dale Emery
dalehemery
Mar 29, 2007 9:19 pm
... I strongly endorse both of these, and recommend them often. And here is an article that I recommend nearly as often as the Weinberg and Austin books:...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 30, 2007 5:20 am
Although I think indicators like code coverage help to establish a
measure of completeness, I think there are other metrics that are useful
in any environment....
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Matt Heusser
heusserm
Mar 30, 2007 3:08 pm
Lee Copeland was invited out to Google awhile back, and recorded a tech talk called "Proving our Worth: Quantifying the Value of testing" I thought it was a...
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Matt Heusser
heusserm
Mar 30, 2007 3:29 pm
I would add: One way that I try to eliminate waste is to focus tightening the feedback loop between analyzed activity and proven correct activity. It has been...
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Steven Gordon
sfman2k
Mar 30, 2007 5:03 pm
... A waterfaller could easily interpret the prevention of bugs as justification for gathering all the requirements, freezing them and doing a detailed design,...
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jdmcauliffe2002
Mar 30, 2007 11:42 pm
Yeah, and we all know how well that worked. Preventing defects upfront can come from doing the practices of TDD and Continuous Integration, from being involved...
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Michael Bolton
michael_a_bo...
Apr 1, 2007 2:10 am
... "make it work exactly like excel." What does it mean for it to work exactly like Excel--to provide exactly the same result for a calculation for a given...
