Albert Davidson Chou wrote about his experiences testing a large and under-defined product. It seems to me that if you have no functional requirements to go by...
... I know I would have felt very uncomfortable without the ability to rerun the tests other than manually, fearing that there would soon come a bug fix...
... I do not think of discussion as an argument to be won or lost. Here's my definition of how to win or lose here: Whoever is not changed by the discussion,...
... than ... reader's ... I might be missing the point here, but I think we have to be clear when we are talking about unit tests / test-first coding, which is...
... spends ... to ... whose ... N+1. ... understandings ... ways in ... about it. ... Just to share some of my experiences on this subject: In the last project...
Written communication is fraught with opportunity for misinterpretation and misunderstanding. I think I can see both sides of this and, as usual, I think it's...
Once more into the breach ... and with a red face. Again, I'm sorry about the earlier mistake. <blush/> Still, here's something that may be helpful: ... Yes. I...
Does anyone have any books they'd recommend as an introduction to test automation, for testers who have only done manual testing and don't have a programming...
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Tatelman, Jeff
JeffTatelman@...
Apr 2, 2002 3:27 pm
Yes, Software Test Automation by Mark Fewster and Dorothy Graham is a good one. ... From: lisa_crispin2001 [mailto:lisa.crispin@...] Sent: Tuesday, April...
I like to use the metaphor that a project is a long conversation about what quality means for this product. I like to have structure for conversations, and I...
Ron Jeffries and Brian Marick have agreed to think of, experiment with, and perfect creative - even wacky - ways to have discussions on this list, that it...
Whoohoo! Sounds good, guys. Group hug, everyone! Touchy feely person that I am, I was thinking it would be nice to know more about the people who post here....
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Omer Zak
omerz@...
Apr 2, 2002 6:36 pm
To the following E-mail message, was attached a MS-Word file in .DOC format. I am appealing to all list participants to use a macro virus resistant file...
... Omer, when I originally sent the post you are referring to, I spent a half hour trying to get Acrobat to produce a PDF of the DOC that didn't mangle the...
... Brian, Thanks for the attachments. I actually had them saved from when they were originally posted, but I had never looked at them. Thanks also to Ron and...
Hubert, Thanks for your remarks. See my replies below. ... Mostly additions, a fairly small number of changes that in some cases caused changes of existing...
When I 'witness' some of the more creative 'discussions' on this list, it usually gives me a chuckle for my morning coffee. I find it amazing how serious...
... Tcl ships with the tcltest package. The man page for tcltest is available at: http://tcl.activestate.com/man/tcl8.4/TclCmd/tcltest.htm What other language...
Ron, Thanks for your remarks. My replies follow. ... Our work cycle doesn't usually have that kind of turnaround time -- we realize our limitations and try to...
... Sounds like you did very well given the situation. What do you think the top couple/three things are to do next time? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
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Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
Apr 5, 2002 7:50 am
... It all comes down to prioritisation. When pushed for time (who isn't!) I write up a list of tasks on the whiteboard and get people to choose. You could...
[We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this message.] CALL FOR POSITION PAPERS / PARTICIPATION Workshop on Testing in Extreme Programming (WTiXP 2002)...
... Hubert's advice is good. The XP technique is similar. All the stories (requirements) are estimated in consistent terms. Each iteration, the customer has...
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Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
Apr 5, 2002 7:56 pm
If we do test-driven design and implement only sufficient code to pass the tests then coverage as measured by a tool should be 100%. If not, then we have...
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yet another bill smith
bigbill.smith@...
Apr 5, 2002 9:11 pm
... Wow! Hubert, thank you very very much. I was starting to believe that talking about improving agile testing methods was against the rules of this mailing...
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Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
Apr 5, 2002 9:42 pm
... Sorry, did I say something wrong? Irony aside, what's your view (or anyone else's for that matter) on the use of coverage tools to guide the testing/design...
Executive summary: I broadly agree with Hubert. Back when I used coverage tools, using them consumed a few percent of my testing+coding effort. I thought they...
... Thanks, Ron, that's encouraging to hear. I started a reply offline so that I could auto-save and not be at the mercy of my Web browser, but unfortunately I...
