... First off, Herb, I believe you, and I'm impressed. I am especially impressed that you made a distinction between the action you are testing (which you...
Hi Michael, I stand corrected, it is just more than my opinion it was my empirical experience, and I appreciate your questions. The evaluators were a large...
Hi Matt, I appreciate your carefully reading and precise comments. The answer to your question is that NO manual tester was ever layed off or considered less...
... Aidy, I have used a combination of 3 tools listed with increasing costs and effort: 1. NUnit - works ok but I limit tests to those which do not require UI...
Matt, Having done MediCare work, I'll wager Herb's work at Kaiser involves a much greater percentage of backend/DB processing than GUI (BTW, Herb, are you in...
... Not mine either. But I have never encountered a team with too many automated tests and I have encountered many with too few. I have also encountered teams...
... That's cool, Herb - but you said you saved money. I may be mis-understanding. Did your organization have a plan in place to hire a bunch of people (thus...
Ron, Very well put - I'll be adding several of your arguments to my toolbox, thank you. On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Ron Jeffries ... I've come into...
Matt, Think of it this way - when you get a new High Efficiency washing machine that saves you $50 a month in electricity and $25 in water, do you run out to...
... If they didn't reduce costs below what they would otherwise have spent, or increase sales above what they would otherwise have brought in, what case can be...
Lisa, I'm a huge, huge proponent for automation. Huge. However, whenever I hear that someone's regression suite is only comprised of automated tests, my left...
If I pay a team $100 a week, and they deliver something in 4 weeks instead of the anticipated 8 weeks, did I save $$? In addition, my team just allowed me more...
Hi Eric, We have a Java web app which runs on an iPlanet server (I forget what Sun calls that these days). It's a financial app, so that lends itself to ...
... No. Not yet. ... Hitting the shelves earlier may increase revenue, and that would be good. ... At the end of any period where we "save money", we will...
Lisa, Wow, sounds like a cool project, thanks for sharing it! I love this stuff. :) Just some thoughts, a stream of consciousness if you will... We use...
So you're saying automation doesn't actually save $$ when it allows us to deliver early, unless it makes it to the bottom line through some process. Hopefully...
Hi Eric, It sounds like you're doing some cool stuff too. I don't know anything about web services so it's interesting to hear how you test those. On Fri, May...
Oooh, I just checked our code coverage report and it is line. ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author with Janet Gregory, Agile Testing http://www.agiletester.ca ...
... wrote: "If a team wants to have time to allow people to do the kind of sophisticated testing that Michael recommends, they need to create that time,...
... wrote: " We started by having 100% manual regression testing, and over the course of about a year we had good enough test suites where we didn't need to do...
... <eric.deslauriers@...> wrote: "Using your example, if I finish early, allowing me to deliver 1 project more in a year, the revenue from that project is or...
Hi Heusser, The saved money:: what did the organization do with it? Good question, given it was in the context of a large organization a small part went to...
Hi Eric and Matt, Around 90% of the automation was GUI based, and the average Automated script navigated around 30 screens, driven by a large spreadsheet ...
... Oh, I am sorry -- the project was delivered earlier than the initially planned date? I didn't read that either. My point: To have said "we saved money",...
... Did you actually do a complete project plan the original way, make a change, and ship prior to your initial date - enough to enable a new project at the...
Ron:>Which reminds me, it may have been Michael who recently mocked the House/Crispin chapter that says, in its entirety, "No manual tests." (Well, it does...
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I'd like to support Michael's description with the following extension.
Imagine you would have a test written on a piece of paper writing down a
sequence of...
Forgive me if announcements should not go to this list - it wasn't clear if they were frowned upon or not but this talk may interest this group. Talk:...
This is a reminder. Please distribute this email. Data on both agile and plan-driven projects are welcome. To Whom It May Concern, My name is Donald Buresh,...
