Stefan, I don't know if it was already mentioned here -- I yet have to catch up 70+ posts here, but it's all very simple. Let me show this using your list: ...
... Do you have a full citation? Someday I aspire to having only four tasks. -- Brian Marick, marick@... www.testing.com - Software testing services...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 3, 2002 6:02 am
... dependencies on: 1. resources - do I have to hire people to test or develop test frameworks, to coach other people 2. infrastructure - do we need...
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Buster Quin
buster.quin@...
May 7, 2002 8:23 pm
Please pardon this comment if it is redundant to what has already been said(I've missed reading some of the posts). The "TEST PLAN" (big document, maybe) is...
... I'd like to see this notion of thinking first about what you're going to test related to the notion of agility, which thrives on incremental and adaptive...
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Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
May 7, 2002 10:59 pm
... Agile methods are best suited to applications where the requirements or the context is variable. If the future is predictable then a longer-term direct...
... I'm not as convinced as you are that the "longer-term direct route" is ever more efficient, if you mean by that a more pre-planned approach. Perhaps that's...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 8, 2002 5:27 am
Hi, I don't think there is anything wrong with thinking upfront ;-) What I usually do when I start a new project is study and learn and put the knowledge I...
... How long does this phase typically last for a project of, say, ten people for a year? ... <smile/> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Don't be afraid of...
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Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
May 8, 2002 1:31 pm
... Take the example of writing a C++ compiler. The specification has been static for the last 4 years and won't change until next year at the earliest. All...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 8, 2002 2:07 pm
Well said. I admire your ability to explain in clear terms what I've struggled with for a long time to describe. Another point with regards to requirements I...
... Yes. It seems to me that such cases are rare, and even then, incremental work does no harm. Subject to what's below ... ... Yes, but this is a strawman. We...
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yet another bill smith
bigbill.smith@...
May 8, 2002 11:55 pm
... 1. I'm going to post this on the [agile-testing] list as well as the [XP] list where it started. Please make any replies to that one. 2. When you are...
I read this article and wondered what you all thought about it. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FiveWorlds.html From this article: "I carefully studied...
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Bret Pettichord
bret@...
May 11, 2002 4:56 pm
... I think the article does a very good job of explaining some of the different "worlds" of software development. Most methodologies are designed for only one...
Add to this the Capers Jones classifications, which are: (1) MIS (2) Outsourced (3) Systems software (4) Commercial - which would include some of Joel's (5)...
Perhaps the lesson we can take from this is that every project operates within and is constrained by a specific context. That leads to the idea that project...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 13, 2002 5:17 am
... I don't know how rare these cases are where you have a stable spec. I see lot's of banks, insurance companies, telecoms operators, ... running the same...
I'm answering this at length, and in sections, because I think Stefan has raised some interesting points that have interesting answers. However, the questions...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 13, 2002 2:51 pm
... The study learn phase does not only depend on the total effort spent by the developers. It depends also on business complexity, test complexity, expected...
... Great report, Stefan! Actual numbers, rough though they are. Of course you'd be flexible, and those are approximations, and so on. But it's good to have...
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Bret Pettichord
bret@...
May 14, 2002 4:46 am
I think that these world are organized less by these variables, than they are, like you say, centered around stereotypical instances. So there are "family...
I agree that you'll never be able to identify all the variables, turn a crank and get and exactly tailored process, nor was I stating that. However what...
This is an interesting approach. I have some reservations (along Bret's lines). But when I first saw the list, i thought of the variables considered in the...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
May 14, 2002 1:09 pm
Now that we have finally arrived in the metrics world, do metrics belong to the agile context or not? In the past I've asked questions to XPerts and the answer...
... Some might. What metrics did you have in mind. ... Let me rephrase the question to be less judgmental, and to break it into single questions: RV> Isn't it...
Interesting. It appears that they identified variables and then used them to "develop a software cost and schedule estimation model tuned to the life cycle...
Perhaps the example variables I chose gave too much of a 'metrics' flavor. I think I'd rather look at the variables more as constraints that guide how the...
Most software measurement programs fail. They don't (usually) fail because the staff are lazy, stupid, undisciplined, unprofessional, etc. Rather, they fail...
