Hi John, ... before you sign off on it. I'm always on the lookout for some concrete evidence in this regard. ________________________________ From:...
Coyle, Jim
jim.coyle@...
Apr 1, 2009 8:12 am
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How do we adopt to become more creative if one is not creative enough? The creative process is said to be of five stages. (This you should find in any good PR...
I am looking out for test tool which could best suit 1. The web application which is build using javascript, ajax, java, soap, oracle. we use ActiveX and .NET...
Ok - I'll take a stab, have you tried http://opensourcetesting.com/ - under Testing tools it lists 89 Functional test tools. If you go through that list you...
Well, they would vary depending on the system you're testing. There is ALWAYS a difference, by definition, if your test bed isn't the same as your prod bed. So...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 1, 2009 3:48 pm
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Watch small children play - especially those that have not been taught to "colour within the lines". They are so very creative and not scared to try new...
I second your thoughts on watching children playing to see how creative they are in doing various things. In his lecture by Sir ken Robinson, that I had...
I heard an interesting line awhile back from James Bach; I will paraphrase him. If I recall correctly, Bach's argument was they every time they had a...
I'm not sure one 'trains' creativity... Creativity is the natural outcome of an unstructured experience --OR-- of varied experience (yes, I'm still working on...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 2, 2009 3:25 am
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BTW: I'm not singling out India as a source of bad testers - the example I gave was a real-world example which happened to take place in India. ... -- John...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 2, 2009 5:06 am
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that helps indeed - thanks - Jim ________________________________ From: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com [mailto:agile-testing@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John...
Coyle, Jim
jim.coyle@...
Apr 2, 2009 7:54 am
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... I believe there are multiple axises - Creative/Destructive Order/Chaos In our culture, we tend to assume the two go together. They often do not; I view...
Many of us probably have first-hand experience on how well as software effort goes when critical thinking skills are not applied. Root cause, *applied* lessons...
... mind? One of my favorites is to indulge and reward my own curiosity. Matt, Great question. I think the first is setting expectations and fostering ...
Hi John, I've been hiring in India for about 8-9 years now. The culture around CVs (resumes) is different than in the US; resumes in India are achievements ...
Eric, yup - that's been my experience as well (CVs with a more project-based list of activities). My solution has been to ask "OK, and what role did you play...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 2, 2009 3:23 pm
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... If it's a tester/developer position, sure, absolutely. ... Along those same lines: How about handing them a salt shaker and asking "Test This" Or a...
I'm pretty sure I posted this before. I learned from Cem Kaner that if one gives such a problem to a candidate in an interview, one should give two such...
Hi John, Eric, This is not the main topic of the thread, however, I thought that I should say somethin about the tester's interview. The reason you find the...
Dave, that advice from Cem is great, thanks for passing it on. I do tend to give 2 hypothetical ("how would you test a ___") questions, and certainly try to be...
Yeah... I've done the toaster, elevator, and salt shaker questions. I abandoned them after a while, replacing them with real-world (or near-real-world)...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 2, 2009 5:55 pm
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I promise, this is the last post for me today (I've been home for a while, caring for sick family). I've been exposed to and active in security testing and...
John Overbaugh
john.overbaugh@...
Apr 2, 2009 6:01 pm
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... They don't strike me as trick questions, but believe that I know what you mean. I try to shy away from questions that involve an "aha!" moment that people...
... I learned not to use this sort of question about a decade ago. I learned that recent immigrants from China, and there are many in my area, have a really...
Someone asked me to do that square root test once, and I drew a complete blank. It sounded like math, and I'm a-skeered of math. So does that mean nobody...
Hi John, Follow a good site to learning about security testing (basic): http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebGoat_Project WebGoat is a deliberately...
... Very well said Matt. As far as calling software testing a "destructive" activity is arguable. I never found software testing a destructive activity; it is...
I found the book _The Art of Software Security Testing_ by Wysopal et al to be helpful. It came out in 2007, though, and as you say, security testing is a...
... Some testers who can be very strong in other areas are simply scared of math. This is why I am not excited about the triangle problem - likewise, it's...
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