I agree with John on this. A tester is not a tester is not a tester, in the sense that two people in testing roles may require very different skills to excel...
... It's relatively simple to write an interpreter for a domain-specific language in Selenium EG Command name,param 1, param 2 Then, with Test::WWW::Sellenium...
I have a half-formed thought, and I hope the members of this list can help me refine it. And since I only started here a few months ago, there may be an answer...
... I make sure the test expectations are documented and clear to the devs, and they they have tried them before putting the story in QA, and I automate after...
I don't see why ATDD is fuzzier. You write a test and try to compile it. It fails because the underlying method/data doesn't exist. What do you do? You define...
... Are you using Visual Studio? :-) I would turn off the IDE code-checking rules. I find that they seriously slow down (and even inhibit) TDD. They'll do...
... For acceptance testing, I have always found it useful to have a layer of indirection between my tests and my system under tests. That layer occurs ...
... I'd say it relies on both. You don't have any testing skills in a team and quality will suffer regardless of the relationships among the group. ... I'm...
In this instance adding a level of indirection (test abstraction) may be the only to go in order to write the tests first. However, I can see that extra layer...
It's more than just code-level (syntax) checking, it's very much like trying to write a test for an HTML web page without knowing what the username input field...
Hi, I came across this posting on the following site: http://www.testertroubles.com/search/label/Iseb Where the talk was about the ISEB Intermediate course and...
HI, from my experience of the ISTQB/ISEB certification the most important part is not the certificate but the training that is given. At least for the...
... I do not endorse any test certifications at this time, besides perhaps the Miagi-do black belt award, which is an ongoing /apprenticeship/ program. That...
This is the first I've heard of any level of the ISEB covering any aspect of Agile. So I would be *fascinated* to know what it covers with respect to testing...
... Well, the syllabus is free: http://www.testertroubles.com/2009/02/iseb-intermediate-syllabus.html It doesn't exactly jump out an say "agile" to me. ...
Thanks everybody for your help. I have been investigating about cucumber and it seems really good. So I am going to start creating some tests in canoo web...
... I thought canoo was in Java and Cuke in Ruby. The benefit I'm getting out of Cucumber is a literate surface layer, above the layer of its "steps", which...
... Ted, in the case of creating a test for an HTML page, then you're deciding what it should be when you write your test. You could decide that short values,...
Wow, Ted, it sounds like you're complaining about being able to define the elements. ;-) Typically, the testers are given a bunch of untestable, unreadable...
I agree with George's and Mark's comments in the context of TDD. It is a hurdle, and it is great. My original question was in the context of ATDD, where the...
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:05 PM, hernancastagnola ... Have you evaluated STAF? It's a framework and execution engine that can be used to distribute and...
James Martin
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Jul 3, 2009 2:17 am
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Hi, The video from last month's agile testing evening at skills matter in london is now online. Dave Evans and Mike Scott from SQS talked on the subject of...
Hi Just wondering how people handle overlap with tests ... or if really is a non-issue? This discussion came up in regards to a data entry screen. Using a...
Hi Shane, Just wondering how people handle overlap with tests ... or if really is a ... I like to think in terms of the /responsibilities/ of the thing I'm...
I find a little duplication is healthy - a lot, not so much. What worries me is the gaps. There should be a different focus as Dale has said, but an easy way...
+1 for Janet's comments. Plus, I *wish* I were in the enviable position that my team was so efficient, the next place to look was for overlapping ...
John Overbaugh
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Jul 6, 2009 2:54 pm
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That's exactly where we're at: getting the developers and testers to collaborate more to reduce duplication. On our team, the testers talk to the developers...
It's funny that I am reading this now as members of my team are conducting what we are calling a test "Huddle". This is a formalized meeting where the...
One reason I love this question is that there are so many great ways to answer it. Some that come to mind are: * risk of failure: can you think of three...
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