Hi Please elaborate on how the outsourcer's testing team can get into working with the agile model? How will the testing team know what to test in the...
Jayaraman Vasudevan ,...
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Jul 1, 2003 3:33 pm
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... Use both a Wiki and an internal mailing list to communicate. The testers attend to both. Whatever's in the air, they write tests for it. Using a "Test...
We're forgetting our manners, Jayaraman. Don't post HTML on a technical newsgroup, and post questions about agile outsourcing to the agile outsourcing mailing...
I apologise for any inconvienence caused. However, this was not intentional. All did was click reply-all and wrote my Qs ... From: Phlip...
Jayaraman Vasudevan ,...
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Jul 3, 2003 2:29 pm
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... There was a very long exchange of ideas on testers, whether they should be integrated with customers or developers, and I started replying to it but the...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 3, 2003 2:29 pm
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... but isn't that the case for PMBOK as well? What would be wrong with licensing. There is even a licensing program for software testers (ISEB Foundation...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 3, 2003 2:34 pm
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I've let some licensing messages go through because SWEBOK was a topic with a deadline. Now that the deadline has passed, I fervently hope that discussions of...
Hi all. I would like to post this topic, as I believe to get a good advise; hope some will be happy to share their experience or opinion on this matter. As we...
Julia Rachkovsky
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Jul 4, 2003 3:55 pm
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I think the courses would be quite different. Brian Marick has been creating testing-for-programmers courses for years and they are substantially different...
Hi, I've tried to think hard about what would be the essential difference in test approaches between what you label as "conventional" and "agile". I think...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 9, 2003 8:51 pm
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Traditional testing concepts and techniques have plenty to offer in an agile environment, but I think agile testing requires a bit of a different mindset. My...
I like the visuals of weaving in and out and cross-pollinating. It's a good way to look at how testers and programmers can work together. It sounds like you...
This is a good point. I have always wondered if only testers with a certain style or certain "agile" mindset can successfully contribute on an XP team....
Do your programmers already do test-driven design? (Beck, _Test Driven Design by Example_; Astels, Test-Driven Development: A Practical Guide_) I think that...
... I disagree. I've been increasingly coming to the conclusion that the essential differences are matters of team dynamics, working relationships and...
I've seen exploratory testing being referred to in your reply as well as in Linda's. I've done some investigation into it and one of my concerns is that there ...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 10, 2003 3:38 pm
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I think that team dynamics are very important, so are working relationships and attitudes. What I fail to see is that knowing techniques, technologies or...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 10, 2003 3:39 pm
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I think there was an implicit lag of iterations (as pointed out by Lisa) between the code the testers see and the code the developers see in the approach I...
simultaneous, interacting, learning, test design, and test execution ... Cem Kaner, Professor, Department of Computer Sciences, Florida Institute of...
Hi, I'm trying to think very hard about this feedback question and this is what I came up with. Feel free to disagree, my ideas may change in function of the...
STEURS Stefan
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Jul 11, 2003 4:47 pm
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... I like James Bach's "What Is Exploratory Testing" <http://www.satisfice.com/articles/what_is_et.htm> See other writings at satisfice.com There's additional...
... You can find some links at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/agile-testing/links/ I suggest that others that have suggestions, add them to this page. This ...
Hi all, can anyone point on existing methodologies for sampling testing of migrated DB other than Mil std 105 and 414? It seems that there is not much of...
Marco Chiarello
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Jul 15, 2003 2:23 am
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Dear All, My company has adopted agile culture recently. As a QA, what are the things i need to know and what are the changes i need to bring as part of...
Please see the 'Links' section of this mailing list for helpful articles and papers. "Testing Extreme Programming" (Addison-Wesley 2002) by myself and Tip ...
In May, we started our first "agile" project here, using stories rather than requirements (although requirements had already been written) and doing 4-week...
There are a couple of thing which I'd like to know to have a correct idea about project "largeness": - how many programmer worked on each sprint? - how big was...
... Are you at least allowed to use Scrum's pig/chicken and do/did/impediment format for the weekly status meetings? Curious, -- Bil Kleb, NASA, Hampton,...
