Ron, If you commissioned an architect to design you a house, after you had it inspected for compliance and safety once it was completed, would you throw away...
... The test-driven development approach generates a test every ten minutes. I don't think there's a test-planning methodology that's up to that. And in TDD we...
Our acceptance test is a word document with hyperlinks to jsp's which manipulate oracle on the backend to setup test data: step 1. create account (via...
... Yes. You might know it, but if I have to test it for you, you have no idea what you might get that passes the test. If I'm from New England, for example,...
Erik, From: Erik Petersen [mailto:vole@...] ... I'm not Ron, but I play him on TV. You're right--unit tests are low level and don't give you the big...
... I've owned two houses, neither of which came with plans. I've had my share of home owner problems, but normal architectural plans wouldn't have helped. ...
I've put a copy of the source and new fit.jar file here: <http://www.testing.com/tools/step-fixture.zip>. I hope I remembered all the pieces of source. If not,...
Hi Everyone, I am new to this group and very excited about all the heated debate! I am a newly appointed Software Quality Assurance Director for a small...
Jim [Ron with a teleprompter? ;) ] and others, I think this is still a fundamental chasm in the mindsets of the developers and the testers on this list. Let's...
From: Erik Petersen [mailto:vole@...] ... A lot of the questions you're asking are historical questions: "why did this happen;" "how was this decision...
... Suppose that the testers tested every sketch and snapshot, from the very first day to the very last, with automated tests that were updated just as the...
... I currently work in a regulated environment as well. The projects I've been on lately don't have to meet requirements by a regulated body, but many others...
... As someone in the same boat (IT QA for a large pharma manufacturer), I have a few thoughts to share. I've never been in a position where I've had to deal...
<snipped> ... This is a very good and important point which ties in nicely with your point on education below: <snipped> ... Thanks for your response - you...
... Although I admit to being a developer, I do not subscribe to this, the manufacturing metaphor for programming. In fact I have worked hard to displace. --...
Ward Cunningham
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Jan 4, 2004 1:10 am
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... An interesting point. Some people learn a great deal by writing natural language text. (I do.) It can be useful for projects to accommodate this quirk, to...
... I feel much the same way about post-hoc testing. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com You are closing your eyes to a situation you do not wish to...
... I spoke with an agile developer recently who had been discussing agile techniques with a bunch of CMM auditors. He expected them to be horrified at the...
Hubert Matthews
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Jan 5, 2004 6:09 am
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... There is economic value in manufacturing identical wheels. There is no economic value in reinventing the wheel. With manufacturing, variation is bad....
Hubert Matthews
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Jan 5, 2004 6:09 am
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... Very nicely put, Hubert! Too long to be a sig, but be sure you'll be quoted somewhere ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com The central "e" in "Jeffries"...
What if we started comparing design activities. I think manufacturing is like burning CDs, you get your odd bad CD and your odd bad wheel but the most...
STEURS Stefan
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Jan 6, 2004 5:13 am
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Erik wrote: #### Let's try another metaphor. Developers are like artists, creating a painting. The painting may go though many revisions from a initial...
Well, I think there are some "strategic" issues in testing that may take a bit more time. Perhaps the implementation/code is the least of the tester's worries...
STEURS Stefan
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Jan 6, 2004 5:14 am
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From: Brian Marick [mailto:marick@...] ... I think the cycle goes: 1) Someone working within a specific context discovers something is useful 2) The...
... We were just talking on the APM mailing list about how the "manufacturing" part of software development is not at all the designing and coding, but the...
... Yes, you are making sense. I was too quick to complain due to my lack of knowledge about painting. Please accept my apologies. -- Ward -- Ward Cunningham ...
Ward Cunningham
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Jan 7, 2004 4:46 am
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... If only it were original; it's a paraphrase of stuff from Reinertsen's book "Managing the Design Factory". Definitely worth reading, as is his other book:...
Hubert Matthews
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Jan 7, 2004 4:49 am
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... I have the latter but not the former. Bill Walton was kind enough to send me the section from MtDF that you're paraphrasing: I like your version better,...
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