XP Agile Universe '04 - Open Space Invitation Keynotes, tutorials, and papers are important, but they're not the real conference. The real conference happens...
As part of its programs to support the agile community, the Agile Alliance provides a News service for the publication of agile events and announcements. The...
An open source tool I've been using for UI testing of a web app developed in Java is Canoo WebTest (http://webtest.canoo.com/manual/WebTestHome.html). It uses...
We've been using ruby ( www.ruby-lang.org) with a variant of the wtr IEcontroller ( http://rubyforge.org/projects/wtr/ ) very successfully. If you check the...
Great suggestion. We considered that and I would like to try it, my only hesitation has been, will the programmers be willing to learn it too? I guess it...
... Since it's using Ruby (a real programming language), I've found more developers are willing to learn it and use it. With some popular vendor tools that...
I would suggest that anyone interested in learning how to test with Ruby sign up for the tutorial at XP/Agile Universe in Calgary being hosted by Brian, Bret,...
It seems a lot of folks on this alias are actively using one of these glorified and free web UI testing tools. A few months ago, we were totally driven away ...
I like what you are doing. I contribute to the wtr project, and one of the things i like about it is that it helps me expose what a GUI tool really does and...
I've had some good success with Jameleon (http://jameleon.sourceforge.net). Jameleon has an HttpUnit plugin to test web applications. I like the way it lets...
What about end-to-end user scenario (stories) tests? Isn't it more realistic to use GUI tools to exercise these type of tests? ... From: Bret Pettichord...
First, credit where credit is due. The consultants were high priced for a reason, this was mostly their idea not ours;). We just ran with it. With regards to...
... Sure. But the question to ask is what is the value and what is the cost of realism. So for example, the WTR tool utilizes the COM interface to IE. It makes...
Because of the recent discussions on free tools, I though it about time we shared what we have been doing with ruby, and a modified version of the wtr IE...
The equation changes, however, if one has a browser-based equivalent of a "thick" client. In our case, we have 10's of thousands of lines of Javascript which...
... In what sense do you mean "realistic"? Could you describe something "unrealistic" about testing most of an application mostly end-to-end under the user...
We have good experience with the following approach: - exhaustive testing with HttpUnit and JWebUnit (acceptance tests) - selected testing of some pages with...
... In my experience, the problem is not the amount of E2E testing done on rich clients, but rather the amount of /unit testing/ done on rich clients. We often...
... With 10,000 lines of Javascript you might want to consider modularity opportunities Javascript has to offer. I've seen effective unit testing of what are...
Ward Cunningham
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Jun 11, 2004 7:39 pm
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Good day, I am new to this group and to the "Agile" concept - at least in awareness. I diligently practice the concepts outlined in the website. Even though...
Hi Neal, ... Can you say a little more about what is happening as a result of not having that kind of outline? Dale -- Dale Emery -- Consultant -- Resistance...
Dale, Along with every other publicly-traded company, we are undergoing incredible scrutiny in preparation for Sarbanes-Oxley compliance. Requirements for...
Hi Neal, ... Yes, thank you. Unfortunately, it's also clear that I don't know how to help with that. Dale -- Dale Emery -- Consultant -- Resistance as a...
Ron, Absolutely - Sarbanes-Oxley permeates to my level of responsibility. It is not only the accounting groups proving mitigation risks. IT groups are also...
... You may be posting to the wrong list. It sounds like your primary concern here is butt-covering and documentation, rather than results. Things like the...
... I'm in the same situation as Neal. We're exploring Agile Methods at the company where I work as a QA Director. At the same time, we're being asked to ...
... Disclaimer: I know almost nothing about Sarbanes-Oxley. But maybe you could use it to your advantage. Here's the thought: 1) Agile methods rely on a "Goal...
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