... Ah! Now you begin to think about the possibilities! Great! ... ... and ... How can I improve the rapidity and value of the feedback the team gets from ...
To answer I'll try to explain our situation to clarify my point. I'm not sure if our environment is unique or not, but we have a hardware/firmware embedded...
I liked Michael's post, especially the part about constantly challenging assumptions. I was drawn to Agile methods in the first place because I was seeking ...
I'm helping a developer who's working for me to get started with Test-Driven Development. The application is written in VB6, so we're trying to get vbunit3 to...
... I do. The way I generally things up is to have (at least) three separate projects: - the "main" project, which does the work that I'm trying to get done. ...
Hi all, I'm in the process of drafting my (very late) paper for the PNSQC conference. My topic is one I hope the members of this group will find interesting: ...
Has anyone read the book "Testing Object-Oriented Systems: Models, Patterns, and Tools" by Robert Binder? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-\ ...
my manager lent me this book along with "the art of testing". its very dry and I haven't managed to read more than a couple of pages without switching off. I...
Elisabeth -- I'd love to help. Send me a copy. (I also am way behind on my own work so I might only give it a quick review.) Thanks. -- Ward ... -- Ward...
Ward Cunningham
ward@...
Sep 4, 2004 4:07 am
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... Elizabeth: I'll be happy to look and comment if you'd like me to. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Agility is not an inescapable law of purity but a...
... Yes; I own a copy and I have actually read it. ... It's expensive because it's huge - 1,200 dense pages in hardback. ... It's hard going and not an...
Hubert Matthews
hubert@...
Sep 4, 2004 11:06 am
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Greetings, I am one of the developers for the Marathon - an opensource GUI testing framework with support for Java/Swing based applications. The product is...
Hi, Based on our experience in real projects we have built a tool for creating Test Cases based on Functional Requirements to cover 100% of requirements....
In Whittaker's book "How to Break Software," he talks about Bug Hunts and how effective they can be if properly run. This is a 2-8 hour activity where everyone...
I did a James Whittaker style bug hunt in front of an audience in Cem Kaner and James Bach's "Exploratory Testing in Pairs" session at STAREast 2001. It did...
Could you help me to understand what you mean by functional requirements, and what it would look like to cover them to a level of 100%? When you are creating...
My first exposure to bug hunts was a Borland in 92 or 93. This was a company wide affair lasting several days where there were cash awards handed out on a...
Hi all... By way of following up, I've done a couple things that seem to be agile "tricks" (to steal Brian Marick's term) and they seem to be working. To...
Sorry for the late reply on this thread but I think that the article In the Zone: The nNeed for Flexible Roles - Communications of the ACM - May 2003 describes...
STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Sep 8, 2004 12:27 pm
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Hi, Since in an agile context test driven development is recommended, and tests drive software development all the way, I wonder what mechanisms are put in ...
STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Sep 16, 2004 12:21 pm
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... Stefan ... It seems to me that just like code, tests will sometimes be wrong. Tests are there to check the code -- and code is there to check the tests. ...
There is something that escapes me. If the test is the requirement, as in XP, and the test is wrong, as in the requirement is wrong, then how to we find these...
STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Sep 16, 2004 1:36 pm
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I've seen or heard of test wrongness being discovered in these ways: - the programmer(s) realizes it's wrong while coding. Coding is a different way of looking...
... I disagree that the test is the requirement. I think that's an unfortunate meme. They share some of the same goals and properties, but not all. ... ...
... In XP, the Acceptance Tests are dictated by the customer and demonstrate that the requirements are satisfied. While they are not the requirements...
Hi all, I am writing MotherObject(s) to generate mock business objects and also Mock Objects (I need to replace classes that connects to external entities to...
Marcial Rosales
marcial.rosales@...
Sep 16, 2004 3:42 pm
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when we create mocks we typically create them in our application but in a separate test directory. application/src/com/agitar/Foo.java ...
I do the same when the mock(s) are specific for testing classes of the same package; but where would you put them when you need them outside /com/agitar ? See...
Marcial Rosales
marcial.rosales@...
Sep 16, 2004 6:14 pm
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we have a case like that between our two project agitator & dashboard, where the dashboard project relies on files in the agitator project. our solution is to...
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