... Indeed. It seems that we are using the term differently. To the customers I have worked with, "the first time" means the first time they see it. "Do it...
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Yerby Craig MTSP
craig.yerby@...
Oct 1, 2004 1:26 pm
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I've had an 'engineer' title in the past but I don't consider myself any kind of engineer. I prefer 'testing', which is what most people outside of our...
... The main thing I tell customers is that they will get working software at the end of each iteration, and they can always choose to change things or get...
... From: Brian Marick [mailto:marick@...] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:26 AM ... was so afraid of looking stupid that I never spoke up. After a...
... I also disagree that "doing it right the first time" is the premise behind agile. Trying to do things right in the first place seems to be a bad place to...
... I'm one of those people allergic to this usage. Here are some reason's why. 1. You can't really assure quality. Or at least QA people can't. Mostly they...
... Actually, now that I think about it more, I want to back away from my disagreement. Janet said two different things: "get things right in the first place"...
Bret, A great rant :-) ... I never took the CQSE certification myself, but I do attend a discussion group we have here in town and. we've had some really ...
I wouldn't say developers have a really easy time, but I know what you meant, that they usually get to focus on a narrower range of both job duties and...
... Because for a business analyst (at least in my experience) everything on the computer is a black box. Testers for whom everything is a black box tend to...
I love the forest and trees metaphor. I'm not as wild about the idea that a developer's work leaves the building, but not a tester's. Seems to me that the...
Chris's posting prods me to post something I have been thinking about for awhile. I don't necessarily agree that only a developer's work leaves the building....
I want to take time out to respond to all of the major points made - I think that I am going to have to collate them. I shall reply on this thread later as an...
I agree with Lisa on this point In Developer Centric organisations, the common view is that the code is the product... resulting in an imbalanced focus on...
Human nature is that we seem to learn best from our mistakes... So, perhaps an alternative would be: "The right thing might be to do the wrong thing so that we...
I want to take time out to respond to all of the major points made - I think that I am going to have to collate them. I shall reply on this thread later as an...
Thank you to everyone that has participated in this discussion - it has been thoroughly enjoyable and has confirmed my belief that there are many varied ...
My satisfaction as a tester derives from 2 things: 1. Knowing that my testing contributes to an improvement in the quality of the product that my company ships...
... I don't think that anyone said that we are supposed to ensure the quality of the product. I totally disagree. I believe that the consensus was that we as ...
I didn't mean that this was the consensus. I meant somebody said that this was a common misunderstanding of the testers' role. You have to agree it is a pretty...
This article presents a stark realistic picture of what happens when software is inadequately tested: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20041005/D85H8RTO0.html...
Lisa, Who can resist when you ask so kindly? I have experienced many of the things you describe. I also get a lot of satisfaction from presentations and test...
STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Oct 6, 2004 3:52 am
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Perhaps I've joined this group at a point where developers are going through a period of introspection, but there seems to be an overwhelming concentration on...
I recently worked on a team that was using an agile approach. My task was to write sophisticated testing harnesses, test data generators and validators, etc. I...
In the lab I work in we perform several types of testing, the majority of which is unfortunately automated scripting testing. We are increasingly performing...
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