Thank you all for your comments! I enjoyed reading all of them. I just pulled out a few quotes to sort of summarize. I saw a lot of other good points brought...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 1, 2004 9:17 pm
... Great summary, Kay!! Thanks! Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com You do ill if you praise, but worse if you censure, what you do not understand. --Leonardo...
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Amir Kolsky
kolsky
Nov 1, 2004 10:41 pm
As much as it pains me, I'll have to agree with Ron... Amir...
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utahkay
Nov 2, 2004 3:29 pm
See also http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/pa/pa.html -Kay...
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lisa.crispin@...
lisa_crispin...
Nov 3, 2004 10:36 pm
I know some of you on this list have hired agile testers. Did you ask any interview questions that you felt helped show if the candidate had the right skills...
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Hubert Smits
hubert_g_smits
Nov 3, 2004 10:47 pm
Hi Lisa, I never interviewed testers, mainly developers and project managers. I tend to focus less on technical skills, more on personal skills (but avoid...
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jkohl@...
jk0hl
Nov 3, 2004 10:58 pm
Hi Lisa; I've done a little bit of recruiting for testers on agile teams. I try to get a read on the person's attitude. Few people from the QA school of...
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utahkay
Nov 3, 2004 11:07 pm
... Have ATTEMPTED TO hire agile testers ;-) Lisa, I dug up an email I wrote a couple months ago to someone else who asked me a similar question. I thought I'd...
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Kevin Lawrence
kevinwilliam...
Nov 4, 2004 12:40 am
... Whether I am hiring developers or testers, I like to setup an open-ended scenario and have them walk them through me it. For example, "in an email client...
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Janet Gregory
janetgregoryca
Nov 4, 2004 1:56 am
Lisa, I have had some amazing success with hiring great agile testers. I have 3 working with me now. The secret... I'm not real sure, but mostly I look at...
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Chris Martin
cdm222
Nov 4, 2004 2:58 am
When interviewing agile testers we typically use two in person visits, first round is one on one and the second is a presentation to the team. Also, we ...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Nov 4, 2004 4:00 am
... Describe a project going late. How would you shorten its time to market? ===== Phlip ...
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lisa.crispin@...
lisa_crispin...
Nov 4, 2004 4:14 pm
Hmmm, except I think I would rephrase it somewhat to fit our agile environment. And this is something that actually occurred here this week. "This project has...
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Janet Gregory
janetgregoryca
Nov 4, 2004 4:39 pm
Lisa, That example is great. However, if your interviewee is not up to speed on agile terminology, they may not understand the question. You may want to...
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lisa.crispin@...
lisa_crispin...
Nov 4, 2004 4:45 pm
Excellent point. I'll work on that! -- Lisa...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Nov 4, 2004 5:06 pm
... I would run screaming from the phone interview. ;-) ===== Phlip http://industrialxp.org/community/bin/view/Main/TestFirstUserInterfaces ...
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lisa.crispin@...
lisa_crispin...
Nov 5, 2004 12:29 am
This is intriguing. So you give them some problem or feature set with requirements, and ask them to come back with hard copies of how they would approach the...
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Chris Martin
cdm222
Nov 5, 2004 1:05 am
... Yes, all that. We tell them "presentation" to ensure they understand they'll be the host, but we frame it as a discussion. Some have used powerpoint,...
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Tim Marston
timmarston_h...
Nov 5, 2004 3:08 pm
I've got a new role with a client of mine in the South-East of England, looking for an additional tester for their XP J2EE project, to start in January (but to...
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Antony Marcano (testi...
antony_marcano
Nov 5, 2004 5:53 pm
I thought you would be interested, if you hadn't heard already. More info and links here... http://www.testingreflections.com/node/view/1049(written in a...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Nov 5, 2004 11:07 pm
... Eeeeeeeeeeek! ... Can anyone help explain my reaction to Tim? (I have exceeded my strong communication skills for the day;) ===== Phlip ...
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wingetdave
Nov 5, 2004 11:43 pm
I am, didn't think of blogging it though! The bloke I sit opposite banks with Cahoot. He got called up by a mate the other day! Good blog :-) ... From:...
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Alexey Verkhovsky
alex_verk
Nov 6, 2004 6:13 pm
... +1 Unless you have a thick Win32 GUI or a legacy backend, such as Tuxedo, for which WinRunner has a driver. For testing J2EE applications with HTML...
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c reeve
christelreeve
Nov 6, 2004 6:13 pm
Phlip said: Experience with the usual tools is essential > (WinRunner Eeeeeeeeeeek! > etc.), and > experience of working in an agile team is also > important....
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Nov 7, 2004 3:08 am
... Thank you! Next issue: I never used capture/playback, but I do know how to rag on it. One Agile-Testing role is giving developers and customers the tools...
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Phlip
phlipcpp
Nov 7, 2004 3:10 am
... Tests should be as close as possible to the testee. Mocking a user puts a lot of stuff, including hardware, between you and the testee. ... No! Go back to...
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Alexey Verkhovsky
alex_verk
Nov 7, 2004 10:56 am
... On one hand, you may underestimate what WinRunner _can_ do. Since you can invoke 3rd-party DLLs, it can do anything, even directly probe and state of...
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Harald Mueller
harald_m_mue...
Nov 7, 2004 6:31 pm
... therefore ... it ... But let me ask (as advocatus diaboli ...): We also use Junit tests; we even believe that there should be many of them, as we want them...
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Brian Spears
wormdrowner1
Nov 8, 2004 2:06 am
Some good points made about larger teams - the larger and more diverse the group using the interface, the more challenging it is to remain agile. But there are...
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Ward Cunningham
ward@...
Nov 8, 2004 2:27 am
... This is my experience too, but it is not a defense of inflexibility of interfaces. If one hopes to have clean code on large projects then one must solve ...
