... Interesting. I've tended to think of Fit tests as being about the business model more than the UI model. That is, one uses it to say interesting things...
On February 25th at 9 am MT, my company, Rally Software, is offering a free 2 hour seminar in Denver, CO. covering best practices for transitioning project...
Jamie:> I asked everyone in my department to (voluntarily) take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter II to determine their Myers-Briggs type. I tried to respond to...
First, a note on terminology, so we know we're talking about the same thing. I'm using "Please Understand Me II" by Keirsey as a reference. He refers to four...
... throws comparisons between the developers and testers into doubt. May I reframe that? It's not meant to be a nitpick, but I would say that it throws...
Testers: Ideally, a testing effort should grow with a project. In real life, the testers may come in late. So, here are some strategies to retrofit functional...
Hi... Not long ago I had a conversation with some enlightened agilists where I attempted to define how an agile tester should work. I found it remarkably...
I would answer the question you pose: "What else should an agile tester do?" with: "Anything that provides rapid, relevant feedback to the developers and the ...
... tester do?" ... developers and the ... Yes, I see your point about feedback. But when we say "requirements coverage", we're know what the tester is doing....
Philip... ... Nice list! If it were possible for you to post any of that code on agilistas.org, I'd like to read it... ... At AWTA, Pat McGee described work...
At Starwest in November I went to an interesting presentation by Jeff Feldstein on Model Based Testing, which gave me lots of ideas for future automation. I...
... One of the reasons for this could be that testing situations differ highly between agile teams. For example: On some teams, there is a user/customer who...
Hi Chris, Good list. To #1 I'd add the addition of the functional test stuff that Whittaker, for example, recommends. There's quite a bit of testing that end...
Hi Bill, ... Except, of course, for those projects that are not IT systems projects. Like all of the ones I work on. ... To me, that feels like inflicting...
... Huh? How did testers, agile or not, suddenly get more of a strategic focus than the product owner, customer, and their reporting structure. I've only seen...
Hi Dave, ... From: Dave Liebreich To: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [agile-testing] What can we say for...
Hi Ron, ... From: Ron Jeffries To: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [agile-testing] What can we say for...
Mr. Kohl suggested "give feedback", Mr. Swartz suggested "exploratory testing". I'm looking for more concrete suggestions, but these suggested a couple of...
Chris:>But when your requirements are generated immediately from interacting with Customers, and your design evolves from TDD, I found it difficult to explain...
... I'm supposing that the first helpful might have been intended as "unhelpful"? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Find the simple path to what works and...
... What I meant was that a tester should engage in testing activities that provide relevant feedback. When I read the activities you list, feedback is what...
... helpful to ... Thanks. I put my list and Mr. Bolton's list on the wiki for easy reference later on. If a particular area is not being addressed well ... ...
... If I had the skill set to do this, and I thought the code or design were smelly, I'd wonder why test-driven design, refactoring and pairing weren't working...
... This is a UI/internals mismatch problem, sometimes very hard to see if the values are used a long way away from the interface where the values were...
I propose to ride one of my hobby horses for a moment here. Looking at the every-growing list of things that "agile testers" could do, I am struck by two...
... particular conversation, for concrete examples of "stepping out". Just hadn't thought about describing what we do in terms of the project-- I habitually...
... What about "I'm a developer"? Are they not specialists too? My confusion is over what exactly a "specialist" or "generalist" is on a project. I agree with...
This is of course the "standard testing drones" problem that Ron has apparently encountered over and over again. Ron, I'm actually a bit suprised that the...
