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5472 Brian Marick
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Feb 2, 2005
4:39 am
... Interesting. I've tended to think of Fit tests as being about the business model more than the UI model. That is, one uses it to say interesting things...
5473 jdmcauliffe2002 Offline Send Email Feb 4, 2005
1:49 pm
On February 25th at 9 am MT, my company, Rally Software, is offering a free 2 hour seminar in Denver, CO. covering best practices for transitioning project...
5474 Michael Bolton
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Feb 5, 2005
4:42 am
Jamie:> I asked everyone in my department to (voluntarily) take the Keirsey Temperament Sorter II to determine their Myers-Briggs type. I tried to respond to...
5475 Jamie Nettles
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Feb 6, 2005
3:18 pm
First, a note on terminology, so we know we're talking about the same thing. I'm using "Please Understand Me II" by Keirsey as a reference. He refers to four...
5476 Michael Bolton
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Feb 6, 2005
3:57 pm
... throws comparisons between the developers and testers into doubt. May I reframe that? It's not meant to be a nitpick, but I would say that it throws...
5477 Phlip
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Feb 7, 2005
4:30 pm
Testers: Ideally, a testing effort should grow with a project. In real life, the testers may come in late. So, here are some strategies to retrofit functional...
5478 Chris McMahon
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Feb 7, 2005
7:24 pm
Hi... Not long ago I had a conversation with some enlightened agilists where I attempted to define how an agile tester should work. I found it remarkably...
5479 jkohl@...
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Feb 7, 2005
7:43 pm
I would answer the question you pose: "What else should an agile tester do?" with: "Anything that provides rapid, relevant feedback to the developers and the ...
5480 chrs_mcmhn Offline Send Email Feb 7, 2005
9:17 pm
... tester do?" ... developers and the ... Yes, I see your point about feedback. But when we say "requirements coverage", we're know what the tester is doing....
5481 chrs_mcmhn Offline Send Email Feb 7, 2005
9:31 pm
Philip... ... Nice list! If it were possible for you to post any of that code on agilistas.org, I'd like to read it... ... At AWTA, Pat McGee described work...
5482 Paul Rogers
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Feb 8, 2005
1:34 am
At Starwest in November I went to an interesting presentation by Jeff Feldstein on Model Based Testing, which gave me lots of ideas for future automation. I...
5483 Doug Swartz
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Feb 8, 2005
2:40 am
... One of the reasons for this could be that testing situations differ highly between agile teams. For example: On some teams, there is a user/customer who...
5484 Bill Walton
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Feb 8, 2005
4:05 am
Hi Chris, Good list. To #1 I'd add the addition of the functional test stuff that Whittaker, for example, recommends. There's quite a bit of testing that end...
5485 Dave Liebreich
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Feb 8, 2005
5:20 am
Hi Bill, ... Except, of course, for those projects that are not IT systems projects. Like all of the ones I work on. ... To me, that feels like inflicting...
5486 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 8, 2005
12:43 pm
... Huh? How did testers, agile or not, suddenly get more of a strategic focus than the product owner, customer, and their reporting structure. I've only seen...
5487 Bill Walton
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Feb 8, 2005
12:47 pm
Hi Dave, ... From: Dave Liebreich To: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [agile-testing] What can we say for...
5488 Bill Walton
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Feb 8, 2005
1:56 pm
Hi Ron, ... From: Ron Jeffries To: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [agile-testing] What can we say for...
5489 chrs_mcmhn Offline Send Email Feb 8, 2005
4:43 pm
Mr. Kohl suggested "give feedback", Mr. Swartz suggested "exploratory testing". I'm looking for more concrete suggestions, but these suggested a couple of...
5490 Michael Bolton
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Feb 8, 2005
4:43 pm
Chris:>But when your requirements are generated immediately from interacting with Customers, and your design evolves from TDD, I found it difficult to explain...
5491 Jamie Nettles
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Feb 8, 2005
4:51 pm
32. Spell check dialogs, menus, tool tips 33. Evaluate error messages for understandability and politeness _____ From: Michael Bolton...
5492 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 8, 2005
4:58 pm
... I'm supposing that the first helpful might have been intended as "unhelpful"? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Find the simple path to what works and...
5493 jkohl@...
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Feb 8, 2005
5:02 pm
... What I meant was that a tester should engage in testing activities that provide relevant feedback. When I read the activities you list, feedback is what...
5494 chrs_mcmhn Offline Send Email Feb 8, 2005
5:14 pm
... helpful to ... Thanks. I put my list and Mr. Bolton's list on the wiki for easy reference later on. If a particular area is not being addressed well ... ...
5495 Lisa Crispin
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Feb 8, 2005
5:24 pm
... If I had the skill set to do this, and I thought the code or design were smelly, I'd wonder why test-driven design, refactoring and pairing weren't working...
5496 chrs_mcmhn Offline Send Email Feb 8, 2005
6:32 pm
... This is a UI/internals mismatch problem, sometimes very hard to see if the values are used a long way away from the interface where the values were...
5497 Ron Jeffries
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Feb 8, 2005
6:39 pm
I propose to ride one of my hobby horses for a moment here. Looking at the every-growing list of things that "agile testers" could do, I am struck by two...
5498 Michael Bolton
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Feb 8, 2005
6:49 pm
Yes; the original intention was "are not particularly helpful", but your rendering is better yet. ... From: Ron Jeffries [mailto:ronjeffries@...] ...
5499 Michael Bolton
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Feb 8, 2005
6:49 pm
... particular conversation, for concrete examples of "stepping out". Just hadn't thought about describing what we do in terms of the project-- I habitually...
5500 jkohl@...
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Feb 8, 2005
6:56 pm
... What about "I'm a developer"? Are they not specialists too? My confusion is over what exactly a "specialist" or "generalist" is on a project. I agree with...
5501 Grig Gheorghiu
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Feb 8, 2005
6:58 pm
This is of course the "standard testing drones" problem that Ron has apparently encountered over and over again. Ron, I'm actually a bit suprised that the...
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