... I wrote an all-pairs coverage test case generation tool, which you can download at http://www.satisfice.com/tools/pairs.zip. Given a table of variables and...
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Michael Bolton
mb@...
Dec 1, 2001 8:48 am
... This is too much of an "it depends" question (and the example too trivial) for any realistic answer; one size does not fit all. It depends on the project,...
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Michael Bolton
mb@...
Dec 1, 2001 8:58 am
... for ... how to ... regardless ... Absolutely agreed. ... None necessary. ... Agreed here too. You're welcome, and thank you in return....
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Michael Bolton
mb@...
Dec 1, 2001 9:31 am
... Wanting to continue to test downstream is not the same as not wanting to close the loop more tightly with the upstream stuff. Also, being prudent about...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 1, 2001 12:21 pm
... Your full posting will require consideration and thought before replying, which I may not have before heading for Santa Fe. Here, though, I'd like to...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 1, 2001 12:29 pm
... well, at least angelic ... ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Do I contradict myself? Very well then I contradict myself. (I am large, I contain...
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Mike Clark
clarkware
Dec 1, 2001 7:33 pm
... Very handy, indeed! Thanks, James! Mike -- Mike Clark Clarkware Consulting, Inc. http://www.clarkware.com 720.851.2014...
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Bret Pettichord
bret@...
Dec 1, 2001 8:16 pm
... list: [Formal definition provided] ... I would like to pick up this thread because i think that the various issues here of how terms are defined, what...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 1, 2001 8:48 pm
... I'm so glad this isn't an XP discussion list. Otherwise, we would be forced to grapple with the question of who is in charge of the methodology. As it is,...
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agile-testing@yahoogr...
Dec 2, 2001 2:43 am
The following agile-testing poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What should we do about the group's charter? CHOICES AND RESULTS -...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 2, 2001 2:51 am
... The results of the poll are a bit ambiguous. We seem to have a unanimous feeling that the group should follow its charter. Except that some of us don't...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 4:47 am
... I respectfully suggest that this question deserves more study. Most everything has an 80-20 rule associated with it: eighty percent of the benefit comes...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 4:47 am
... Much better name than White Box, Glass Box is. I'm sold. Yes, we are talking about, if not coming from, different approaches. My purpose was precisely...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 4:47 am
... There we go with those "lack" thoughts again. Why do we hire you as a tester to do this? Is it because we want to know where the programmers have missed...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 4:47 am
... Tester, test thyself. We cannot tell whether those who voted "stick to it" believe that we are on or off charter. The question wasn't asked, and one could...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 5:04 am
... Everything I say is prefixed by and followed by my name already. When I do not agree with Beck, which is quite rare, I'll make it clear, unless I forget,...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 2, 2001 5:08 am
... I don't think you understood my message. Let me try again. There's a split between "stick to the charter" and "we are already on the charter". The...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 2, 2001 5:42 am
... I think you're talking about something else. My point is not that everyone's opinion is just their opinion. My point is that there are different "name...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 12:37 pm
... No, we would discuss it on the appropriate list and in person and see whether we really agree and are just talking about our favorite ways of expressing...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 2, 2001 4:54 pm
... Who's we? It sounds like XP is really defined by the community you belong to. That makes sense. It's just something that you have to watch, like a wasp in...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 8:14 pm
... Just some folks. There are hundreds at least who think they are doing XP. There are quite a few that I know and respect. There's the rest of the agile...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 2, 2001 8:19 pm
... Well, I said "industry-shared notion", not standard, advisedly. As for building a community, I suppose it starts two people at a time. Do you and Cem have...
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Lisa Crispin
lisa_crispin...
Dec 2, 2001 10:55 pm
I had an email discussion with another esteemed tester, on the subject of getting testers new to an XP project familiar enough with the domain and the...
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James Bach
satisfice
Dec 3, 2001 5:07 am
... Cem and I have worked out our differences, as far as I know. We've come to this: The Bach View Exploratory testing is any testing to the extent that the...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Dec 3, 2001 5:32 am
... Gotta watch that crusading thing. Makes people hate you if you're not careful. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Speculation or experimentation - which...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Dec 3, 2001 7:42 am
... Do they really understand what it means to do non-conformative testing? I don't like the word negative testing because testing is always positive from the...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Dec 3, 2001 11:13 am
... Testing complexity depends on a lot of factors. If we are looking at a simple data definition in isolation it may be very hard to tell whether it will...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Dec 3, 2001 11:23 am
In the answer given by Paul I also see a challenge for test-first design. How much effort does one want to spend on things that are not stable? E.g. is it more...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Dec 3, 2001 11:37 am
... Ron, I think there are no generic recipes. Testing is mostly deciding about what to do and what not to do. The problem is that you need tests to increase...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Dec 3, 2001 11:42 am
Ron, I think I've tried to answer that one already in another post. Perhaps the question should be, what 20% of the tests cover 80% of my risks (if such tests...
