I don't think anyone claims automated testing is a complete "panacea". However, you may get an argument about there being no real replacement for eye balling...
I don't think anyone has argued that manual testing should be used _instead_ of automated testing. One thing that manual testing can do is to look not just...
... + SOME_LARGE_CONSTANT ... Michael can. ;-> Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com It is better to attempt something great and fail that attempt, than to attempt...
I work in a team where they automate a lot of the tests, but only the developers (that do the automation) know which ones they were able to automate. So I...
... Yes, manual -- exploratory -- testing can find interesting things that might not be noticed otherwise. If there's time. What techniques make time available...
... Indeed it is duplication. In Agile development, as I understand it, there is a "Customer" or "Product Owner" who determines what the team will work on...
... I agree with this. I would not anticipate many things requiring a manual test only but I have come across situations where something was decided by ...
I like your reply style, so I'm going to steal it. ... frequent ... to ... I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. If manual, exploratory testing is a good thing, then I...
... When someone says "There are no Silver Bullets", they imply caution and reserve when adopting a new system. However, the admonition cannot automatically...
... If I knew by inspection which tests were going to pass and which were going to fail, I wouldn't automate any tests. Nor would I do any tests manually. I'd...
... Feel free to read "real defect" as "defect". It doesn't change the ... Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com Speak the affirmative; emphasize your choice by...
... You can get more automated testing into your software development budget by using your requirements specification budget (i.e., write your requirements as...
... Your judgement is clearly impeccable. ... Absolutely. I think a good way of doing this is to sit down with a developer and write a failing test with him as...
We had a guy on a project once, he was nicknamed the Silver Bullet because he was going to cure the problems, he just made them worse. Perhaps the same is...
agile-testing@yahoogroups.com wrote on 07/03/2006 12:09:28 PM: ... several ... It just seems to me that manual test that finds an error triggers a TDD session...
Hi Olly, Did you read Chapter 20, by any chance? -- Lisa ... -- Lisa Crispin Co-author, Testing Extreme Programming http://lisa.crispin.home.att.net...
... That part I agree with. You seemed to be saying that you would /only/ automate things already guaranteed to fail. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com It is...
... Bruce, The way you've framed the alternatives reveals a bias towards automated testing being more trustworthy than manual tests. As you say, the value of ...
... whether ... are ... I suppose its dangerous to ask if we can take it as understood that testing through the gui is something that should be considered very...
Howdy, We (ePlan Services Inc.) has an immediate opening for a senior tester in Denver (tech center area). It's a permanent full-time position. We're a small...
... Bret: Nicely argued, but I'd suggest that the argument is flawed, unless the automated tests one has in mind were not automated by people. Is there some...
... I may indeed be biased towards automated tests but, with all due respect, I think you're putting words in my mouth here. When someone says they conducted...
... and reserve when adopting a new system. However, the admonition cannot automatically contradict an assertion that one should always use a given technique....
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Aparajita Mukhopadhyay
a.mukhopadhyay@...
Jul 4, 2006 5:22 am
Is there a difference between the traditional QA approach and QA in an agile environment.Can we say that QA in agile environment needs to be more responsive ?...
Hi Lisa, Yes I did, and it was very interesting also. I've actually leant that book to a colleague at the moment. I didn't mean to do your views an injustice...
... I agree although I also think that the converse is true. It depends greatly on the skill of the individual as to how much you should trust them. I would...
