HI All, I am very new to Automated Testing Tools. I am working for such a company which can not afford Win Runner or Rational. So I tried to use WAS...
Hi Parag, What we did is using WAS to enter parameters on the web-pages, then have the tool hit the 'search' button. We choose our parameters in such a way...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 1, 2002 1:52 pm
Eddington, Sir Arthur (1882-1944) b. England Let us suppose that an ichthyologist is exploring the life of the ocean. He casts a net into the water and brings...
... How can you be sure you're not shrugging and turning away in the spirit of the ichthyologist, rather than in the spirit of Eddington? Ron Jeffries ...
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Buster Quin
buster.quin@...
Mar 1, 2002 2:43 pm
I like the analogy as a jumping off point for thinking about other participants in a "fishing expedition" (test execution). What does the ichthyologist/tester...
... I hope to never stop learning new things. Shrugging my shoulders and turning away runs counter to my desire. I might instead listen for a while, then...
... Thanks, that was very interesting. My first musing while reading the story (before reading on to Eddingtion's comments) was, "Well obviously he's using...
I found this interesting, so decided to forward. Toward the end is a discussion of incremental, test-first-ish development for embedded systems. ... -- Brian...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 4, 2002 6:30 am
Mike, I've come to a point in my professional testing career where words like "any bug" or "all bugs" makes me have an allergic reaction. I've seen too many ...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 4, 2002 6:36 am
Ron, Perhaps I should not have added anything and allowed people to think for themselves. That would have been more appropriate. Some people are in the...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 4, 2002 6:50 am
... I think that Eddington was more interested in the observations made by the people who caught fish. That's how I see it. They made observations about the...
SECOND CALL FOR PARTICIPATION Joint Conferences: XP Universe and Agile Universe Chicago, IL August 4-7, 2002 (http://xpuniverse.com and...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 5, 2002 7:05 pm
Hi, XP is both popular and controversial, probably depending on who's side you want to be on. I read the following report with interest and have gotten ...
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Michael Bolton
mb@...
Mar 6, 2002 12:54 am
... Yes: the use of one testing method does not preclude the use of the other. The use of one testing method is complemented by the use of the other. This ...
... I don't understand the question, so I'll ask some questions that may help me (and others) address yours. 1. What do you perceive the "XP testing approach"...
As some of you know, I'm an editor for the print magazine Software Testing and Quality Engineering <www.stqemagazine.com>. I'll soon start work on volume 4,...
... In XP, exploratory development is typically performed as part of "spikes." Spikes are tasks or stories that are intended to investigate, explore,...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 6, 2002 6:34 am
I did not imply you cannot combine the approaches, but why are they so different (at least that is how it looks to me) and both claim to be efficient and...
Stefan, All good questions. I didn't have the original posting, but thanks too to Gerold for the references in the back of the XP paper. I haven't read it ...
... One answer - a good one, I think - is that the exploration happens when the Customer Role gets an iteration and has real people try the product. Their ...
[We apologize if you receive multiple copies of this message.] CALL FOR POSITION PAPERS / PARTICIPATION Workshop on Testing in Extreme Programming (WTiXP 2002)...
... I'm still wondering what you think the two approaches are. And now I'm wondering why you think both claim to be the best way, and why it seems unlikely...
... The level 1 to level 4 statement was an unintentional (I believe) misstatement by the author, who was referring to /one/ KPA where the team clearly went...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 6, 2002 1:21 pm
Is "unintentional misstatement" something like "military intelligence", a politically correct term for "wishful thinking"? Stefan...
... STEURS Stefan wrote, ... No. No one on the project really thought they were level 4. It was a mistaken use of a technical term (Level 4 CMM) by a...
The need for good editors will always be there won't it... Glen B. Alleman Niwot Ridge Consulting www.niwotridge.com Once the automatic computer was there, it...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 7, 2002 12:09 am
Ron, I was just comparing two approaches which both claim to be agile: 1. XP - developer/unit tests have to be written before the code - customer/acceptance...
Ron, That was my take as well. The one Level 4 shop I've been engaged with probably never even heard of XP. The application of the KPA's - in the appropriate...
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STEURS Stefan
stefan.steurs@...
Mar 7, 2002 1:05 am
I don't see any conflict between XP and agile testing, I just see an imbalance between XP and exploratory testing which are both considered to be agile. ...
My intention here is to add some thought room around Glen's comments. ... And why not? Is it because it's a bad idea or because it can't fit in their brains? ...
