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Re: [agile-usability] Design Values

Hi John,

This is interesting, but seems to me to be a bit more complex than it needs to be.

Sounds to me that what you're saying in the blog post (http://is.gd/1uMjH) is "Well-researched user experiences over group-think-produced feature requirements."

Is there more to it?

Jared



On Jul 11, 2009, at 8:39 AM, John Schrag wrote:



I've written a post for my company's external design blog, that might be of interest to this list.


"...my co-workers and I spent several hours considering the question of UX design practice.  We weren't considering the question of what makes good design;  there are innumerable books on that topic.  We were considering the question of what separates a healthy, effective design practice from the horror stories we hear about when talking to others in the industry...."

The full post is here:  http://dux.typepad.com.   Feel free to comment.

-john schrag
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I've written a post for my company's external design blog, that might be of interest to this list. "...my co-workers and I spent several hours considering the...
John Schrag
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Hi John, This is interesting, but seems to me to be a bit more complex than it needs to be. Sounds to me that what you're saying in the blog post...
Jared Spool
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There is more to it --- specifically, there's a particular horror story or two for each item on the list, which will be talked about in future blog posts by...
John Schrag
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I think this is great! Ironically, we are just kicking off our own effort to document our design guidelines to frame how we work both as a team and with other...
Russell Wilson
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Jul 11, 2009
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... I think that's true of all the items on your list though: Validated Data over Expert Opinion Quality of Data over Ease of Data Collection Complete...
Jared Spool
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Jared introduced into this thread the simplification: "Well-researched user experiences over group-think-produced feature requirements." Later the list was...
Larry Constantine
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... I took Jared's dichotomy list as "strive for A instead of B." While quality data may not always be difficult, the focus should be on obtaining quality data...
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... This clearly shows you have a misconception of what user experience research is. Unfortunately, there's a lot of bad research going on in the UX field by...
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... (although it is over-rated and even over-used, but I would never say that because anyone who does is clearly deranged or evil or both) < ... research is. <...
Larry Constantine
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... Oh, go ahead and tar me. I haven't had a good tarring in a really long time. ... Jared...
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... It seems to me very unlikely that Larry Constantine is under a misconception about what user experience research is. I'm submitting a defect report on you...
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... Herein lies one of the reasons that Agile has such a bad name in the UX community—the expressed attitude that user research (what I refer to as design)...
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... Are you equating Larry Constantine with the Agile community? That really is quite funny. Todd, I get the feeling that you know nothing about Larry's...
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... I'm equating Larry's expressed perspective with an expressed perspective from the agile community and one of the reasons so many UX practitioners snuff off...
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Todd, I don't know where to begin. No one here in this forum, and certainly not me, has ever implied (as far as I can recall) that user research provides ...
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Larry's original post about the magic of "both/and" vs. "either/or", as well as some of the comments that followed reminded me of one of my own perspectives on...
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... Have "no reason to believe" while not exactly the same, is quite interchangeable with "can't imagine." Looks like hair splitting. You can blame the...
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Hello, Todd. I am possibly the nastiest person you or this group has ever seen. However, I'm handing my pinball crown to you. You have consistently ...
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so you're no longer the Bally table king? jer 'digging up the original Tommy soundtrack' kriegel "Be well, do good work & keep in touch." - Garrison Keillor...
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... Actually, Ron, I did provide a reason: times change. SMEs are only one data point in the entire spectrum of research. While I don't undervalue them, they...
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I just had to read this entire thread to understand the points. Actually, I had to read it twice. Larry's original point that led to this was: there are times...
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Larry, I'm sorry that you didn't read the original article that started this discussion. It would have saved you some time. The list of "dichotomies" came...
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... this discussion. It would have saved you some time. < I'm sorry, too, but then I don't always have the time, opportunity, or bandwidth to read everything...
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Due to an amazing aptitude I have for taking on double the work I can get done at any one time, I've been completely ignoring this list. I just now went back...
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John, I really appreciate you writing your original post: http://dux.typepad.com/dux/2009/07/values-in-software-design-practice-.html I've been having long...
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... That's a really interesting observation. When my company first adopted Agile sometime around 2001, I found it alarming. It seemed to be all about making...
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... <snip> ... It's the process in response to horror story that's a bit of a methododologists pitfall, at least as my friend Alistair Cockburn describes it to...
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