the team fracturing is not so much when we are in a "war" (?) room temporarily collaborating. but rather when folks go off on their own tangents, designing,...
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Miinalainen, Petteri
pmiinalainen
Feb 1, 2007 9:22 am
If the crash-test dummies would do the same tasks as humans more effectively compared to the cost of change in given time-frame? Well, from business point of...
2845
mhpries
Feb 1, 2007 12:22 pm
... 2 ... of ... to ... tools... ... in ... continents ... skype ... I am curious about that. Specifically, what roles comprise your team? All you all...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 1, 2007 12:54 pm
Hello, Petteri. On Thursday, February 1, 2007, at 1:21:39 AM, you ... My point is that crash-test dummies WON'T do the work, and humans will. Therefore there...
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Jared M. Spool
jmspool
Feb 1, 2007 1:08 pm
... If the crash-test dummies achieve any or all of the five items without inverting any of the rest, yes. It's called automation. ...
2848
Jared M. Spool
jmspool
Feb 1, 2007 1:11 pm
... Have you seen the latest models of crash-test dummies? They are quite sophisticated. They actually do quite a bit of work in the service of their jobs. ...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Feb 1, 2007 1:32 pm
Hello, Jared. On Thursday, February 1, 2007, at 5:11:11 AM, you ... You're getting close to my point, Jared. The assertion was made that the only user stories...
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Pascal Roy
pascal_roy_1967
Feb 1, 2007 1:35 pm
That's really interesting, one of the primary reasons to go for agile methods is to provide better, more concrete feedback so that the customers have a better...
2851
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 1:56 pm
... That's a really great line. It's now stored in my brain for future use. Alain...
2852
Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Feb 1, 2007 1:57 pm
... [snip] I'm niggling... but sometimes I still get unhappy customers because their concepts of time scales / costs / features do not match reality. Now this...
2853
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 2:26 pm
... Interesting list Jared. Is this something you cooked up, or is a well-recognized list in business? I'd like to use that list in the future and know a...
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Pascal Roy
pascal_roy_1967
Feb 1, 2007 2:31 pm
Adrian, I have to say that in my experience it's almost always like that at least initially (which depresses the hell out of me)... And even when you convince...
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Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 2:44 pm
... I won't argue with that. But at the same time, intelligent people who know lots of information only have business value if they are working on stuff that...
2856
Jared M. Spool
jmspool
Feb 1, 2007 2:47 pm
... It's B-school 101 content. I don't have a source reference for it. Sorry. Jared...
2857
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 2:55 pm
... No contradiction there. At that point in time, giving the guy the apple is the singlemost effective thing you can do towards reaching your end goal of...
2858
Adrian Howard
ajh65537
Feb 1, 2007 2:56 pm
... [snip] Fortunately, most clients don't seem that way. While some may be disappointed by reality most seem willing to accept it :-) Adrian...
2859
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 3:02 pm
... I was once in a room where the PM said to the lead programmer: "These estimates can't be right! They're making us 3 months late!" To which the lead...
2860
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 3:16 pm
... Thx. Alain...
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Brian Marick
briandawnpau...
Feb 1, 2007 4:33 pm
... If I were smart enough to do that, I'd be smart enough to build software without all this iteration and feedback and stuff. ... The "seems" is the...
2862
William Pietri
william_pietri
Feb 1, 2007 4:43 pm
... For the purposes of this discussion, I'd fold them differently. I'd call the first four "more money". The last, "potential for more money". It's very...
2863
Mark Schraad
mschraad333
Feb 1, 2007 4:48 pm
... Not so much. Money (I can only assume you mean profit?) is not promised through any of these. They can all lead to more profit, but that is not what this...
2864
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 4:53 pm
... In my own experience, working on stuff that is directly relevant to the business goals provides me with ample opportunity to learn new and relevant stuff. ...
2865
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 5:14 pm
... The world could use a lot more of those people. But they seem to be the exception more than the norm. So focusing on "more money" and "potential for more...
2866
Anita Salem
salemsystems
Feb 1, 2007 7:24 pm
Adrian Howard said: "And of course, there are many projects where people use, partially or wholly, other value metrics..." "Is this something you cooked up, or...
2867
William Pietri
william_pietri
Feb 1, 2007 7:29 pm
... Well, extracting profit is one thing you can do with more money. From the story selection perspective, that's not what I care much about. Perhaps a better...
2868
Mark Schraad
mschraad333
Feb 1, 2007 8:23 pm
... Not trying to bludgen this conversations with the details, but, we are talking two different contexts of value. In the original thread, the conversation...
2869
Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Feb 1, 2007 9:32 pm
... benefits) from Asset ... Strategic, Ideological, ... University at Albany, ... (Individual, Department, Function, ... Personal, ... Excellent points. I...
2870
Jon Kern
jonkernpa
Feb 2, 2007 3:06 am
it's especially good in a beer vat jon blog: http://technicaldebt.com...
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Jon Kern
jonkernpa
Feb 2, 2007 3:42 am
no argument... maybe my point was stupid... tools don't make the difference, people do. just like being in the same room doesn't make the difference, people...
