Hi, Owen. It's clear that you feel strongly about this. Personally, I would love for virtual work to be just as effective as collocation. Currently, I believe...
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Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Nov 1, 2007 1:05 pm
Same discourse. We (Interaction Designers) design it, and You (developpers) build it. If the project fails, it's because You (developpers) just don't know how...
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Susan Doran
limeginger
Nov 1, 2007 1:10 pm
Hi everyone! **************** Apologies for cross-postings **************** NOV 7th 2007: Maine UX Event: 6 spectacular speakers - 3 fantastic sessions! Join...
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Mark Schraad
mschraad333
Nov 1, 2007 1:33 pm
I would be curious to know how you read that into those words. The article is not about 'we' or 'interaction designers' at all. Mark...
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Ash Donaldson
pixelprotago...
Nov 1, 2007 1:47 pm
... I find it curious that it's Alan Cooper, a famous Software Engineer (Microsoft love child and Father of Visual Basic), turned Interaction Designer (famous...
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Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Nov 1, 2007 2:00 pm
... What do you make of this pargaprap? **Emphasis** and [notes] added by me. ... Over the last 15 years **my company** [which is only made up of interaction...
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Mark Schraad
mschraad333
Nov 1, 2007 2:41 pm
Well I am probably not the first to note that Alan has a tendency to poke at his audience. He writes towards controversey. Drawing on something Dave Malouf...
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Desilets, Alain
alain_desilets
Nov 1, 2007 3:04 pm
... Just to make things clear, you are talking about Alan Cooper here, not Alain Désilets (i.e. me) right? I personally hate controversy and never consciously...
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Scott Preece
sepreece
Nov 1, 2007 9:48 pm
... Speaking as a software engineer, I don't see that as antagonistic. In fact, I'd say it was a pretty accurate observation about typical development culture....
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Jeff White
jawsadieemail
Nov 2, 2007 3:47 pm
One part of Cooper's article I found especially provocative is his assertion that agile delivers only non-commercial quality code: "Yes, software can be a...
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John Schrag
jvschrag
Nov 2, 2007 4:07 pm
I think there is a huge difference between production code and prototype code. Production code requires a much higher level of testing, and needs to be able...
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John Schrag
jvschrag
Nov 2, 2007 4:15 pm
... Yeesh, that reads wrong. Let me try that again, without ambiguous antecedents: Agile is a response to older production methods that were wasting valuable...
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Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Nov 3, 2007 2:10 am
Hi William. Thanks again for persisting. ... Yes, it is. I've seen many (not only here, but in my work) who laud collocation as necessary in their day-to-day...
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John Schrag
jvschrag
Nov 3, 2007 3:23 am
... That's quite a statement. Did you miss the hundreds of posts on the topic of co-location that happened on this list earlier this year? A lot of cogent...
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Jeff White
jawsadieemail
Nov 3, 2007 5:11 am
Besides the large body of work, how about just plain old human nature? We've been communicating for 1,000s of years face to face and interacting in that ...
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Wayne L Pendley
wlpendley
Nov 3, 2007 5:53 am
Eh? I've been teleworking from my home office as a senior, full-time employee for over two years, collaborating in real time with virtual teams in Florida,...
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mvtree404
Nov 3, 2007 5:54 am
The big problem in Cooper approach as I've seen it exercised is not necessarily "us vs them" although the high priest approach definitely gets peoples' backs...
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Ash Donaldson
pixelprotago...
Nov 3, 2007 7:32 am
... I don't think it's a problem with the Cooper approach so much as being in dissonance with the entrenched SDLC frameworks applied by many organisations....
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Desiree Sy
desireesy
Nov 3, 2007 2:24 pm
Just a ping to remind people of this. If you cannot get a "complete"; proposal finished but you want to participate, please contact me. -Desirée P.S. Susan,...
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Ron Vutpakdi
vutpakdi
Nov 3, 2007 7:15 pm
... I agree that there is a huge difference. The problem is that too many people, including those who should know better, want to treat prototype code as code...
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Gart, Mitchell
mitchgrrt
Nov 3, 2007 7:38 pm
Can somebody post a link to the original Cooper article? (Sorry if it was already posted.) I'd like to read it. Thanks, - Mitch...
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Scott Preece
sepreece
Nov 3, 2007 8:00 pm
That would be: <http://www.cooper.com/insights/journal_of_design/articles/design_engineering_the_next_st.html> scott ... From: "Gart, Mitchell"...
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George Dinwiddie
gdinwiddie
Nov 3, 2007 11:34 pm
... 92% of what? -- ... * George Dinwiddie * http://blog.gdinwiddie.com Software Development...
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Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Nov 4, 2007 12:06 am
Hello George. A score of 92% would be against the same criteria that your performance would be measured against if you were to hold a similar position. The ...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Nov 4, 2007 12:13 am
Hello, Owen. On Friday, November 2, 2007, at 10:10:53 PM, you ... Owen, in my work, I visit very many teams. I visit teams who work in separate offices, in...
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William Pietri
william_pietri
Nov 4, 2007 2:57 am
Hi, Wayne. ... Well, I've tried it both way myself, and I have teams that are still trying it. The dispersed teams are just not as effective as in-person ...
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William Pietri
william_pietri
Nov 4, 2007 3:22 am
... I agree completely. Of course, from what I've seen people like that would have churned out junk regardless of the process, but there's no sense giving them...
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Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Nov 4, 2007 6:57 am
Hi John ... I have indeed come to this conclusion over many of the opinions (one or two from former managers) I have heard. ... I think I'm being glib (but I...
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Susan Doran
limeginger
Nov 4, 2007 7:25 am
fwiw...I've worked remotely and in-house (mostly the latter), and have found that on some projects, with very well-defined roles, tasks, objective, and ...
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Vic Williams
vic_williams...
Nov 4, 2007 7:41 am
Hi, What if we reframed it? People are primarily attracted to people (extroverts) or things or ideas. Team roles are based on differing propensities...
