Hello, Adam. On Wednesday, December 31, 2008, at 11:11:46 PM, you ... I doubt whether money has that much to do with it. Willingness to move might actually be...
5920
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2009 10:01 am
Hello, Owen. On Wednesday, December 31, 2008, at 8:51:37 PM, you ... It was a metaphor aimed at getting you to think differently about collocation. It failed...
5921
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2009 10:04 am
Hello, Adam. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 2:06:14 AM, you ... All of them? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Think! -- Aretha...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 1, 2009 10:20 am
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:04 AM, Ron Jeffries ... No. Of course not. I'm just saying that the desire to work in isolation is something that I have observed in...
5923
William Pietri
william_pietri
Jan 1, 2009 10:31 am
... I agree that for some circumstances, this is not an unreasonable tradeoff. Just as long as people are aware of what they're trading. It's very rare for me...
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Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2009 1:27 pm
Hello, Adam. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 5:20:39 AM, you ... There are lots of home workers. Phone sales people, phone support, free lance writers and...
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mark schraad
mschraad333
Jan 1, 2009 3:58 pm
And so software development or coding is not a craft?...
5926
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2009 4:55 pm
Hello, mark. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 10:57:58 AM, you ... Did I say it wasn't a craft? Or that it was? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
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mark schraad
mschraad333
Jan 1, 2009 5:04 pm
I was trying to get a clarification on your point. You seem to deem colocation as the preferred way to develop. You then cited the following practices as...
5928
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 1, 2009 5:43 pm
Hello, mark. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 12:04:46 PM, you ... You didn't. The OP seemed to think that only programmers want to work at home. I gave...
5929
Hassan Schroeder
laughingandj...
Jan 1, 2009 8:26 pm
... There's lots of references to this workshop before the fact, but I'm not finding anything about outcomes -- did anyone on this list attend, or otherwise...
5930
Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 1:12 am
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Ron Jeffries ... Fair enough. I guess I'm really conflating two things: The desire to "work at home" and the desire to do...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 2:04 am
... P.S. the part that strikes me as somewhat unique to software developers is, "My IRC/AIM/MSN/Yahoo!/forum/email/Yammer/etc. is even better than being there;...
5932
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 2, 2009 3:03 am
Hello, Adam. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 8:12:05 PM, you ... I don't see how you put together an acknowledgement that software development is a social...
5933
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 2, 2009 3:04 am
Hello, Adam. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 9:04:01 PM, you ... Thus my earlier question about collocation with one's wife ... Ron Jeffries ...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 3:21 am
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Ron Jeffries ... Because, in my brain software development is not a singular activity. My earlier comments made the assumption...
5935
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Jan 2, 2009 3:44 am
Hello, Adam. On Thursday, January 1, 2009, at 10:21:31 PM, you ... I thought you were arguing that software is not like that? Ron Jeffries ...
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Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 4:00 am
On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Ron Jeffries ... It might be that I am "arguing" with myself ;-) /I am willing to recognize that it is more similar than I...
5937
Dan Blaker
rallyboypdx
Jan 2, 2009 5:28 pm
This email thread is, itself, an argument against the supposed virtues of remote working. So many misunderstandings, misinterpretations and misidentifications...
5938
Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Jan 2, 2009 5:28 pm
Hello Adam, Ron. ... I don't think I do a bad job most times with communicating at a distance. Sometimes I am embarrassingly bad at getting my points across. ...
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Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Jan 2, 2009 5:28 pm
Hi Ron. ... where ... Ron, I don't think you'll get me to think differently about (what I am now calling, in respect of what I have just read from CSCW 2008) ...
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Owen Thomas
owen_paul_th...
Jan 2, 2009 5:28 pm
Hi Adam ... Yes, I have heard about that. I may, as you suggest, not have given an ideal analogy. My impressions are that no occupation wouldn't benefit to ...
5941
Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 5:34 pm
... Nice. I got to make my point by being inarticulate. Kudos to me!...
5942
sepreece
Jan 2, 2009 5:51 pm
... This would only be true if such mistakes were not also common in proximate communication, and if this forum were typical of the kind of virtual collocation...
5943
Adam Sroka
adamjaph
Jan 2, 2009 5:57 pm
... Yes. I can't think of an occupation that wouldn't benefit from some form of collaboration. I can even think of some where remote might be nearly as good as...
5944
Hassan Schroeder
laughingandj...
Jan 2, 2009 6:03 pm
... In theory, yes, but doesn't that limit the range of the collocatees (?) to a small range of time zones? Or at least a shared "working" time period? -- ...
5945
tmfspeck
Jan 2, 2009 6:07 pm
... Irrespective of my position of co- vs "no-" location, I have to disagree with this premise. I work remotely, but achieve co-location via phone, IM, Yammer,...
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William Pietri
william_pietri
Jan 2, 2009 6:09 pm
Hi, Owen. I think this is a topic where we'll never agree, but since you keep coming back to it, I wanted to try to explain why, in hopes that we can have new...
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Scott Preece
sepreece
Jan 2, 2009 6:42 pm
Yes, time zones are a problem. In practice, you either limit your interaction with specific groups to specific parts of the day or somebody shifts his or her...
5948
leina elgohari
leina_elgohari
Jan 2, 2009 6:43 pm
Even if teams worked in the same building, in the age of hot-desking where they are oftentimes required to move to new locations (withing the same...
